Fair enough. A lot of what I am expressing is indeed my opinion. But I try to build my arguments on facts.

I'm, just going to point out that reports are still referring to the claim of nuclear weapons as being "widely believed". There would not be any reason for such caution in publishing if there was actual evidence. I don't necessarily doubt the claim, but if it's true it means Israel once again, didn't comply with international law and like I said before, I don't think Israel would survive the consequence of a nuclear exchange.

I think it's also possible that Israel is pretending to be more dangerous than they really are. It would make sense given their history as a modern state, surrounded by nations that aren't too pleased with them.

As for the two-state solution dying on October 7... I know many people feel the way you do but as an American, I have watched my elected government surround a city of 5 million people and bomb the hell out of it for 6 days killing over 6,000 civilians. I never asked my government to do that. So, I also understand that it's possible not every Palestinian was behind the attacks on October 7.

And yet, they're being slaughtered anyway.
That part is not an opinion, it's very much a fact,

Again... That's what they say...


My suggestion won't work because of the racist/religious factors in the U.S. Many here are actually convinced that the End Times are approaching and that the Jews are supposed to drive the Muslims away so they can rebuild the temple and Jesus will come back and convert all the Jews into Christians. Despite the utter ridiculous of such drivel they seriously believe it and politicians here don't want to risk loosing their votes.

If it wasn't for that, Israel probably wouldn't stand a chance. Even if they have nuclear weapons all they have to do is fire one off and other nuclear powers, such as Russia and China would fire back assuring Israel's destruction.


What makes you think I don't? If you actually read my post instead of just reacting to what you THINK I am saying you would have noticed that I'm referring to a two state solution. If Israel isn't allowed to exists it wouldn't be a two-state solution now, would it?

Why do so many people do this? They argue against a two-state solution and immediately reach for the "Israel has a right to exist" card. It really shows a lack of intelligence.

BTW, I don't believe Israel has a God-given right to exist. I'm calling BS on that fantasy. I defend Israel's right to exist for one reason and one reason only. Since around 1960 we can rest assured that there is a generation of people who were born in Israel and have no other place to call home. THIS is why *I* defend Israel's right to exist despite the fact that it was founded on the heinous acts of terrorism.


The ancient Jewish kingdoms are relics of the past and have ZERO relevancy to the modern world. The Zionist claim on the land is no more justified than suggesting we give America back the indigenous people that were here first.

And if you know anything about the history... the Jews weren't the first one's in Holy Land either. They invaded the land and shed blood for years before establishing their kingdoms. Eventually, others came along and kicked their assess... What goes around comes around.

But none of that matters now. It's all as they say "ancient history". I mean it's been over 2,000 years for crying out loud. We don't even have reliable methods to confirm the stories.

So as far as I am concerned, the history that matters really only started in the late 19th century when the Zionists established a movement to reclaim Palestine (as it WAS called then) by forcing the Arabs off the land through various underhanded legal moves with the Ottoman Empire and turn it into a country for Jews only. These Zionists are not even Semitic, they're Indo-European Jews. It's the Arabs that are in fact Semitic along with the original Jews.

Just to be clear, I am specifically anti-Zionist and harbor no ill feelings toward Jewish people in general. In fact I stand with the ultra-orthodox Jews that are vehemently protesting Israel's actions because they think it's an abomination of Judaism. My conversations with them only confirms in my mind how Israel is really NOT about the "plight of the Jews". It far more about the greed for land and the will to kill people for it. It's also more about the delusions of the Christian fanatics supporting them.

Sorry, if you don't like what I have to say. But these things need to be said.

I'm aware of that. Perhaps it's YOUR stupidity, hatred or both that prevents you from understanding that Hamas has many facets other than terrorism, they also provide healthcare and education. You probably also choose to ignore the fact that Israel has been violently oppressing the people of Gaza for decades, leaving them to believe that they have to fight to be free.

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for people to make excuses for the violence at our nation's capitol simply because they "imagine" the election was being stolen while also chastising the Palestinians for ANY resistance to one of the worst examples of violent oppression in human history.


Those "heathens" have always been there... They didn't just move in. They grew up under the leadership of the more passive PLO and the PA while watching their families being evicted from their homes, imprisoned and tortured and killed by Israelis for no reason other than hate and greed. The population is young because most of them die under horrible conditions before they get old. And maybe you don't know this but young people DO lose patience with passive solutions that go nowhere.

What do you think is happening now as Israel continues to bomb the living crap out of a civilian population that they they already have locked up with nowhere to run? Israel is creating a new generation of enemies that's what's happening.

And here you are, little miss prissy, expecting them to be better behaved. Get a brain.

That's what they say... Although, unlike the U.S., the U.K., France, Russia, India, Pakistan and even China, Israel never registered their supposed weapons according to international agreements during the Cold War.. Big surprise there.

But even if they do have nuclear weapons, how are they going to use them without getting it splattered all over their faces? ALL their enemies are too close.

For their "defense" which is what they call EVERYTHING including their oppression of the Palestinian people, they need conventional weapons. On the surface, it seems Israel has a strong military presence in that regard but they are also a conscription country, which means that unlike most western forces that are 100% voluntary in peacetime and typically expand to many times that size when they encounter war, Israel can't expand at all. They operate at full capacity everyday. What you see now, as they are prove to be incapable of isolating Hamas is the most Israel is capable of.

I hate to say this because I'm not a fan of theocratic republics but between Israel and Iran, my money is actually on Iran, which may also be a non-reporting nuclear power... We wouldn't know because dumbass Trump decided to rip up an agreement that he didn't even understand, just so that he can impress the most idiotic people in America, his followers.

Israel is super-dependent on the U.S. for defense against a world that is really getting fed up with their BS. Which is why I am suggesting that we leverage our position. Thousands of people, including women and children are being slaughtered and the entire population of Gaza is at risk of starvation and disease as a result of the destruction and the Israeli government has no intention of stopping. We can't continue to wait for Israel to change. This is why I honestly think my suggestion is the right thing to do.

Not just for Palestine, but for Israel.

No worries... I tend to get busy too and time with family is infinitely more important than debating opinions online. Take your time and if I don't catch your response feel free to PM.

Thank you for your civility and for maintaining a focus on the topic.


I agree the stimulus package was a necessary evil. We are essentially a consumer-driven economy so it's important to keep the bottom funded. BTW, Trump wasn't really responsible for that stimulus package... that came from Congress. The point of bringing this up isn't to deny Trump any credit but to suggest that ANY president including Biden would have signed it. In any case, I don't agree that this stimulus package left the economy awash in liquidity. If it did there wouldn't have been a need for a second stimulus package.


Here's where I suggest you do a little more research. The fact is, oil and gas was never shut down - not even a little bit. Biden's so-called "war" on oil and gas is based on misinformation stemming from his decision to stop leasing federal land to the carbon fuel industry. That only put a stop to plans for future drilling that would not even be online for another ten years from now.

What actually did happen is that the pandemic effect on the economy brought market demand for energy down momentarily, which dropped share prices. The oil companies took advantage of that lull to buy back stocks on the cheap. When the demand shot back up (as they knew it would) they simply took advantage again and increased the price of oil and gas, which is typically how inflation happens.

None of this has anything to do with Trump OR Biden. The price of oil and gas is set by those trading the commodity not the government. This isn't North Korea.

Also despite his claims, there is nothing Trump can do to increase production that the industry isn't already doing under while Biden sits in office. Trump could possibly have an impact on oil production 10 years from now by reversing Biden's policy on saving federal land from industrial greed, but it's my hope that 10 years from now, we will be far less dependent on fossil fuel to power our antiquated machines.


Another correction (sorry) - there was an abundance of supplies... the problem was the traffic jam in distribution. This is why ports like Long Beach CA had queues of ships waiting to unload and not enough space to put everything. In simple terms, our infrastructure wasn't able to handle the interruption to the normal flow of products.


This is a constant normal. Those with more money engage in the market at a different scale of economy than we do as middle-class Americans. This is one of those things where I think people need to wake up and smell the coffee.


I don't think the money people got from the stimulus package was enough to have THAT much effect on market demand. For the reason I just mentioned (scale of economy), it would literally take millions of Americans with their little stimulus checks to equal the power of a single investor in the top 1% who can actually change the market by dumping several million dollars in one trade. This is the reason why economists started to make references to the Wall Street economy as a contrast to the Main Street economy.


So Trump signs a stimulus bill and you're OK with that because it was a "necessary evil" and a few months later Biden signs another one and that's throwing gasoline on a fire?

I get what you're saying about the timing... but those bills were only a few months apart. The economy doesn't change as drastically as you are suggesting in just a few months.

As I had already suggested, the first stimulus package helped people at the bottom to get out of some tight spots, but it wasn't enough to drive any significant change in market demand. A paltry .05% growth rate in the GDP would do more. The second wave of stimulus checks didn't do much more. Again, it saved some families at the bottom which in my opinion makes the stimulus package worthy but it certainly didn't have the impact on the economy that you seem to be suggesting.

One thing to recognize is that one-time checks issued to middle-class Americans always helps their situation for a day but it never makes much difference to the economy as a whole. Jobs are far better because a job will actually change a consumers budget.


That's pure speculation... I personally don't know anyone stupid enough to think that a temporary freeze on evictions would alleviate them from needing a job. I don't know if you gave this much thought, but you are actually suggesting that Americans ARE that stupid.

The freeze on evictions simply gave people the chance to stay in their place of residence long enough for them to GET a job, which is a lot harder to do when you're homeless.


You already mentioned this and I already responded... Biden didn't cut production. Look up the facts. I realize this is the narrative that you are subscribing to but it's a false narrative. Energy inflation was 100% driven by the industry in an effort to profit from the economic disruption. There's nothing Biden or Trump could have done (or could do) about it without interfering with free market forces, which the presidency does not have the authority to do.

I understand the principles being employed by this false narrative and it would even make sense if everything else was equal but that just isn't the reality. Floating this narrative is like suggesting a paper airplane can break the sound barrier simply because it flies.


LOL - Well, being confronted with the same false narratives over and over again does get a bit boring at times, but when people like yourself actually put the effort into rationalizing a narrative, it gives me hope that they might actually understand my counter arguments or maybe even educate me.

That was what I would call a reasonable assumption for the moment. But on further investigation they did find that Sicknick had actually died from two strokes at the base of his brain caused by a blood clot in the artery that feeds that part of the body and that there was no evidence of being hit with a fire extinguisher.

This doesn't mean that the stress of the event didn't actually contribute to the problem as stress can have an effect on blood pressure, which can effectively move blood clots through the artery, but there's no way to prove that is actually what happened.

In my opinion, bickering over whether or not the officer died as a result of the riot is only a distraction from the fact that the riot happened and that it WAS violent and it DID result in death when another officer in the line of duty shot and killed someone who was trying to breach the capitol building. Sorry folks, he was doing his job.

People need to understand that if you're going to attack the capitol while Congress is in session, you ARE putting yourself at risk of being shot. It's kind of a no-brainer.

That's the same garbage WEBCO just dispensed. You must have the same source. lol

I'll tell you the same thing I told him...

1. No, Hamas did not turn down a state. A state was never actually offered. So far, Israel has only offered terms that they KNEW would be unacceptable so that they can make a big deal out of how the Palestinians are not cooperating.

2. What's obvious here is that you're unable (or unwilling) to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas. Hamas is like our own MAGA movement where they only represent a minority of the people in their country. Most of the Palestinians just want to be left alone, which is something Israel is refusing to do.

It's a very common technique for oppressors to demonize an entire population of people by erasing these lines of distinction in order to blend everyone together and characterize them by their worst element.

Yes, I do. Those two groups of people will never stop fighting and they are causing thousands of deaths of innocent people.


The two-state solution has never been turned down by anyone but Israel. Those 5x refusals you are referring to were responses to conditions proposed by Israel that did NOT offer a two-state solution, nor did they offer any reasonable concessions. The offers were designed by Israel to be turned down in an effort to make the Palestinians appear uncooperative. Israel is very good at media manipulation.

You also seem to be unable (or disinterested) in separating the Palestinian people from the Islamic Resistance. The Palestinian people in general only want to be left alone. It's the religiously driven Islamic Resistance (Hamas, Hezbollah, etc...) that wants to destroy Israel and kill all Jews. Unfortunately, the subhuman treatment they get from Israel has coerced the Palestinian people into electing Hamas to power, but only because Hamas has become their only hope of liberation from Israeli occupation.

This is why I am suggesting an alternative to Hamas. If a coalition of world powers interfered and put Israel back in it's place, the Palestinians would have no need for Hamas.


Israel has been trying to solve their terrorist problems for 70 years without success. This is because Israel itself *IS* the problem. All the terrorism has been a freedom-fighting reaction to Israeli occupation and cruelty.


LOL - What exactly do you think Israel is going to do? We had a better chance of keeping Iran nuclear weapon free with Obama's international arrangement that Trump ripped up because he's such an showboat idiot. If you're thinking we can depend on Israel's military to keep a lid on Iran's supposed nuclear weapons program you have a LOT to learn.

Only one problem with that... I never blamed Trump for the economic shutdown during the pandemic. ;)

You've simply added another example of why so many Americans are NOT learning the truth about the economy. Politics is obviously more important to you as you fend off a suggestion that presidents might not be responsible for the economy with a knee-jerk reaction simply because you see me as a member of the "other side".

Let me ask you this... Do you REALLY think the president controls the economy? Or is blaming Biden for inflation just another poop to fling?

You would know because you were once young just like everyone else, or because you're still young and never grew up? ;)

It's not Joe's "horrible" economy. The fact that so many Americans are convinced that economic cycles can be turned around by one president just proves to the world how dumb we are.

Obviously, the data is telling us that the economy is doing very well right now.
Obviously, a lot of Americans are not feeling it.

What's going on is that we've reached a point in a gradual decline of the working class that's been in motion since the Regan/Thatcher revolt on labor. Conservative governments have since then been waging war on the labor movements while granting favors for the investor class.

Several indices can be referenced to gauge the effect, including the concentration of wealth, and the dismal trend for inflation-adjusted wages but a very real effect is that this 50 year old trend has pushed us to where those with insufficient wealth can't reap the advantages of a healthy-market economy. This is what we call extreme capitalism. THAT is the reason for everything people are blaming Biden for with regard to the economy.

Biden can't fix this. And Trump can't either. Presidents are always campaigning on the economy and they know it's BS but it's what they gotta do to keep their base happy.

To fix this, the people need to understand the tyranny of money. Then they need to ask Congress to interfere and even if they do... it will STILL take years to make America great again.

So, here's my solution to the Israel problem... All we need is a government with the balls to carry it out.

1. Assemble an international coalition.
2. Invade the occupied territories... Gaza, West Bank and Golan Heights.
3. Expel all Israeli defense forces and terminate the military occupation of all three territories.
4. Provide humanitarian aid directly to the occupied territories and authorize the Red Cross and Red Crescent to manage it.
5. Find all the hostages, release them and bring Hamas to justice.
6. Establish a new Palestinian state out of the occupied territories adding internationally managed corridors between them.
7. Establish a new international agreement recognizing Israel AND Palestine as a separate states.
8. Maintain a presence of the international coalition to protect Israel from the Islamic Resistance and Palestine from Israel.

So basically, an invasion of the occupied territories and the FORCED establishment of a two-state solution.

Neither the right-wing government in Israel (Likud Party) nor the right-wing government in Gaza (Hamas) have the slightest intention of allowing a two state solution. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and the Likud Party wants to exterminate all Palestinians. Appeasing all sides as Biden is attempting just isn't going to work and Trump's "solution" will be to succumb to the Israeli side and let the Palestinians be slaughtered which is unacceptable.

A coalition would be super easy because every member of the UN except the US has already condemned Israel's aggressions. All it would take is for the US to agree and there could be a military force comprising of US, Arab and European forces that would far outweigh the IDF.

Israel proper will be left alone as long as the government complies but any aggressions by Hamas OR the IDF inside the occupied territories will be met with lethal force. Any airstrikes by the IDF will be considered an act of war and Israeli airfields will be targeted and destroyed.

Agreeing to the terms of the two-state solution will be a condition of the new Palestinian government and if Israel refuses to sign, they will be sanctioned and their alliances voided.

This is the solution the whole world wants to see and it's really a matter of whether or not the U.S. will allow it. I think it's high time we do.

I call people out when they try to pass off BS and I know the people here on the right hate that because most of the time BS is all they have.

The only people here who "don't like me" are the right-wing fanatics that get offended when I call them out... So how much do you really think I care?

I can already tell just by reading the titles that not all of these stories support your accusation... The last two titles refer to "illegal" immigrants. That means they were NOT vetted or "allowed in" by the Biden Administration.

Look, I don't have all day to read stories... YOU are the one saying Biden is breaking the law by allowing immigrants with existing criminal records in, so YOU need to find the evidence. Don't just tell me to look for it.

Oh, I'm aware of the stories. But since Fox News won the court case in the 90's setting the precedent that "news doesn't have to be true" I tend not to believe everything these stories are telling us just because they're on the news.

I don't doubt that some immigrants are committing crimes but the data shows that they commit far fewer crimes per capita than U.S. born citizens do. I'm also well aware of the market demand from the right for stories that demonize immigrants, so it makes sense that while ten crimes might be committed by U.S. citizens in a given news cycle and only one crime is committed by an immigrant, it will be that one crime by an immigrant that makes the news.

Now, getting back to your initial assertion that the Biden Administration is breaking laws by allowing known criminals into the country... so far, nothing in your posts actually proves that...

First of all, just because an immigrant commits a crime, doesn't mean he had a previous criminal record when he was being vetted. Secondly, it doesn't mean that he was even vetted because immigrants that come in illegally avoid that process.

So let me make this simple for you... When I say provide some evidence, I am referring to evidence that covers the accusations you are making.

1. They had previous records of crime in their originating countries.
2. They were vetted by the Biden Administration and the criminal record was noticed.
3. The Biden Administration allowed them in anyway.

All of these things have to be true in order to make your accusation true that Biden is breaking the law. Even then you have to make the case that this pattern is as rampant as you are suggesting for it to be the crisis you say it is.