No, I only accept the truth about the attack on the Pentagon. Chandler prefaced his video with the testimony of 30 eyewitnesses who saw the plane hit the building. And, based on the overwhelming evidence that a jet liner did in fact hit the Pentagon, he had no choice but to agree. Up to a point. Chandler could not escape the ridiculous notion that the jet was unmanned. Chandler only confirms that a Boeing jetliner crashed into the Pentagon. This does not mean that I accept in any way, shape or form his pseudo-scientific explanation of a controlled demolition of the WTC towers.

At 1:05:28 in his video, Chandler describes the collision of the right engine with a large generator trailer on the Pentagon lawn, and at 1:06:20, he explains why the jet missed the cable spools on the lawn. In his own words, "One thing that did not happen was the collision with the cable spools that were sitting on the lawn. It turns out that the geometry of the impact allowed the plane to clear the spools."

Ha! no, payne, your story has always been that the 30 floors and the 15 floors could not collapse from the damage done by the airliners or the small, random short duration fires. My position has always been that the extreme damage from aircraft impacts and HUGE FUKING FIRES caused the towers to collapse.

As you have proven time and again, you are totally ignorant of the laws of science and the nature of fire. Particularly, uncontrolled, unmanageable, unchecked fire.

Here's the thing about fire, payne, the vast majority of people on this planet are familiar with, experienced with, and enjoy the benefits of fire and heat when under control and manageable. Striking a match, flicking a Bic, heating their homes, cooking their food, firing up a backyard grill, burning leaves and trash, getting a campfire going, and so on. Their knowledge of and experience with fire and heat is limited to the friendly aspects of it. You are one of these people.

And, some percentage of those lacking knowledge of the dangers of uncontrolled fire have felt the terrible sting of fire and heat when it gets out of control, whether it be the loss of property, painful injury, or death.

There are far fewer people on this planet who are educated in fire science, who are trained, equipped and experienced in dealing with and combatting uncontrolled fires. These are the fire engineers and fire fighters. You are not among them.

"Fire" is, in many respects, a generic term that means anything from discharging a firearm to logs burning in a fireplace to the fire in a burning building. Fire is in fact a chemical reaction known as combustion, it is the combination of heat, fuel and oxygen. Flames and smoke are byproducts of combustion. IOW, heat and fire are two different things. Combustion can occur without producing flame. Just because no flame is visible doesn't mean combustion is not taking place.

In a building fire, searing hot gas, not flame and smoke, can whistle through a crack as thin as a sheet of paper, it can slip under a door, blow through a key hole, charge up inside a wall, burning insulation, melting electrical wire, switches and outlets, it can boil water in metal pipes, turn it to steam, cause the pipes to burst. it can blast through AC and heating ducts where it will burst into another part of the building and the fire spreads.

Organic compounds, such as wood, paper, plastics, and fabrics, all contain oxygen molecules which can complete the "fire triangle --heat, fuel and oxygen--and undergo combustion without an outside source of oxygen and without producing flames.

In a closed room without ventilation, a couch, chair, or bed can smoulder for hours without a whif of air or producing a lick of flame. Hot gas, smoke, and combustion particles rise to the ceiling, cool and descend to be heated and rise again, creating a circulation of increasingly hotter gases and particles. Temperatures inside the room can reach 1800F to 2000F, door knobs get red hot, light metals in the room melt and plastics become liquid. Flashover conditions have developed, all the beast needs is a breath of air. An alert firefighter can see the signs without ever breaching the room. The thing in the room breaths, smoke and hot gas puffs out under the door or other small crack and is drawn back in again. Open the door and it will suck in a huge gust of air and explode.

Conditions inside a burning building are extremely dangerous, the uncertainty factor is very high, no firefighter knows going in what can possibly happen, how the fire will behave. This is what we train for every day we are on duty. This is why we gear up with the best protective clothing and equipment the city budget can afford.

The fires in the twin towers were huge, payne, they were spread over dozens of acres of floors containing thousands of tons of organic combustibles. It is entirely possible that flashover conditions could have developed in the closed spaces within the core area. Temps in there could have easily reached 1800F to 2000F. And, the core area is where the core columns were located.

It is little wonder that a woman trapped on the 103rd floor in the North Tower screamed in fear to the dispatcher on the phone that it was very hot in there, that they were "burning up."

We must ask also why a commodities trader and his assistant were trapped in their office on the 86th floor of the North Tower, 8 floors below the lowest floor in the impact zone. Why did this man get on the phone to a NYC TV station and tell the world that they were trapped, that they couldn't open the door, that debris had blocked it, that debris was all around them, that smoke was coming in from the hallway, that debris was falling upon and around them, and that part of the core had been blown out. Fear on the 86th Floor

Fire Engineering: WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER: INITIAL RESPONSE
At no time in world history has a fire department ever been called on to respond to a single incident of such magnitude as the attack on the World Trade Center.

You've got your ridiculous, unbelievable little theories about 9/11, none of which you are able to justify with any sort of reason, experience, knowledge or critical thought. Stick with them, payne, but don't pretend that you can accurately determine the fire situation in the twin towers by looking at a picture.

Depends on what you consider a skyscraper... there has never been any controlled demolitions of buildings over 440ft... close to 1/3 the WTC towers...

you quote..."It's not a theory that no airliner hit WTC7 . . . it's a fact."... no one said a airliner hit WTC 7...

again you quote..."It's not a theory that steel-framed skyscrapers collapse can't be caused by the same weight they were designed to support . . . it's a fact."...no that's a joke from some clueless troofer who reads too much pseudoscience & loves spreading propaganda with misleading still photos...

My identity has little bearing on Newton's basic laws...

Ha, Chandler would never have produced that analysis if he or his family had been threatened. If you had watched his video, you'd know why.

Chandler opens his video with the testimonies of 30 of the 180 eyewitnesses of the Pentagon crash. These people saw it when it happened, some even identified the aircraft as an American Airline Boeing 757.

And you link to a reporter who showed up after the crash and just because he doesn't see a whole lot of aircraft wreckage, he goes stupid and says there is "no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon."

In all of the videos, when the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors of the North Tower began to fall, did you see the "massive steel center core" poke up through the roof and just stand there while the floors collapsed around them? Didn't think so. It is logical to assume then that the "massive steel center core" in the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors in the North Tower came down with the whole enchilada. Which of course means that the "massive steel center core" in the upper 30 floors of the South Tower and the upper 15 or so floors in the North Tower came down directly on the "massive steel center core" in lower floors of the towers.

Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney were both flight attendants on AA11, both of these women, using the on board phones, contacted AA offices on the ground. Ong was in contact with AA Reservations and Sweeney was in contact with AA manager, Micheal Woodward. Sweeney told Woodward that the airplane had been hijacked, that a flight attendant and a passenger had been stabbed, that the flight crew in the cockpit was not responding to calls, and that MACE or some such agent had been sprayed into the forward 1st Class cabin. Both Ong and Sweeney stayed on the phones and continued to provide Woodward with updates, which included two sudden radical turns, and a fairly rapid descent. (Which all coincided with communication and radar data from ATC Boston)

Before a commercial flight departs, a passenger manifest is issued to the purser aboard the flight. Both Ong and Sweeney were in the 1st Class cabin when the terrorists launched their attack. Both of them saw at least three of the terrorists vacate their seats. The purser aboard AA11 obviously pulled up the passenger manifest and provided Amy Sweeney with enough information that she was able to relay the seat assignments of three of the hijackers to Woodward at AA HQ. Woodward's assistant pulled up the current AA11 manifest and identified the three. Abdulaziz al-Omari in 9G, Satam al-Suqami in 10B, and Mohammed Atta in 9D.

Both Ong and Sweeney were still on the phones when the jet hit the North Tower.

In the months preceding the attack, several of the 9/11 terrorists, including Atta, were tasked with intelligence gathering missions in which they booked flights within the United States and intercontinental flights into the United States. During these flights, the terrorists noted times from takeoff to reaching cruise altitude, they studied cabin crew habits, behavior and routines, they noted times when seat belt restrictions were lifted, times when meal service began, they logged every time a pilot or member of the flight crew exited the cockpit, and they determined which seat assignments or rows would give the hijacking teams the best tactical advantage for the attack.

BTW: the 19 hijackers DID NOT come from a cave in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden was in a cave in Afghanistan and once he gave Kahlid Sheik Mohammed the green light, he had no further contact with the hijackers until 6 days before the attack when he sent them his encouragement and wishes for success.

Kahlid Sheik Mohammed was the mastermind of the "Planes Operation", he planned the attack, organized the training, worked up a target list, and managed the financing. Mohammed Atta was given tactical command of the hijacking teams. In late 1998 and early 1999, the hijackers scattered, some went to Germany (The Hamburg Cell), some went to the ME, and some went to southeast Asia--Singapore and the Philippines. In January, 2000, they began to arrive in the United States. The rest is history.

BTW: Even your old buddy, David Chandler, agrees that an American Airline Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon.

Years ago I spent some time on the 911 WTC tower failures for personal reasons... based on physical science & evidence I concluded that a gravity collapse do to plane impact damage & heat caused the top section to fail & fall, overloading the floor connections all the way down fit best... After learning this I have spent little to no time on any other events from 911... I'm not a pilot but would assume that many planes look very similar to your picture when landing... just with the gear down...

intelligent answer ... All towers weren't hit by large jet planes exploding & burring...fact... all towers are not designed the same...fact...all towers were not hit with tons of falling steel from over 1000 high...fact...there's a first time for everything...fact... these are all undeniable facts... you provide nothing but hearsay, conjecture & bullshit in your theory's & that's why they're theory's not fact... your opinions are in fact not facts no matter how hard you try & sell it...