Here is what you do not understand. Not all Germans joined the Nazi political party. That party is like our Republican or Democrat, or Independent....it is a political party. When you speak about Zionist you are talking about a movement and not a party. The Zionist movement's goal is the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

The difference between parties and movements is simple: Parties are loyal to their own power regardless of policy agenda. Movements are loyal to their own policy agenda regardless of which party champions it.

It is like we have political parties, Republican and Democrat and supporting these parties we have Movements; Civil Right Movement, Children's Right Movement or Farm Right Movement... Movement members support the political agenda of either Republican or Democrat. In Israel there have had from the conception of our nation, over 200 political parties. Most last only a year or two. Zionism is not nor has it ever been a political party. It is a philosophy a goal, a movement. All Jews believe that we have a homeland and all Jews, regardless of where we are believe that Jews who want to go home are entitled to living in Israel as free people in a sovereign state. Ergo, all Jews are Zionist it is the glue that holds us as a nation. And in addition Jews can support other movements ... such as Peace Now or Blau-Weiss and these movements are splinters off Zionist. As all Americans identify with one or more major movements in the US. And all the Movements in the USA support a political party. Now do you understand??

Whether you think that Mr. Silverstein is an evil man or not is your opinion. He was investigated by the FBI, CIA, NSA, MOSSAD, ASIO, HNA, Al-Mukhabarat al-'Ammah, General Security Directorate, and SVR. None found any attachment or prior knowledge, compliancy or imbroglio with 911.

Yes I call those youthful men boys because their actions were immature. Has nothing to do with chronological age, only maturity. And it is apparent that you did not read the FBI report, none were found to have any connections with MOSSAD. Everyone that took pictures or videos on that day wanted to record the event. It was historical. Something that was horrific. So are you saying becase they recorded in still photographs the event that they were involved with the hijackers? If so, then you would have to include every last individual that took photographs and most notable would be Francesc Torres who took the photo of the Falling Man, The Collaspe; David Surowiecki who also gained fame for photographing the people jumping..... or over 2,000 residents of NYC and all the tourist.....

Why is it that some people continue with conspiracy theories that have been proven to be insane? I do not understand. And those who claim to "know" that 911 was an inside job...how do they know, were they part of the plot? Funny how they, without an engineering degree (or probably no degree to include high school) can somehow search the web and learn all about controlled demolition? And why continue to condemn a group of individual who have been proved by investigations, some lasting years, to not have any motivation or reason to harm innocent people?

It is true that Larry Silverstein is Jewish and by definition a Zionist as are all Jews, and he did lease part of the World Trade Center. And it is also true that he is still paying for that lease. Silverstein Properties and the Port Authority continue to be guided by a lease each signed six weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The lease stipulates that should the complex be destroyed, Silverstein must continue to pay the $120 million a year rent in order to maintain the right to rebuild. Here I must quote; "Susan Fainstein, professor of urban planning at Columbia University. "They thought by building this impressive complex, it would make downtown a competitor. But so much space came up at once, and there just wasn't the demand to fill it." New York State even moved some offices there to help keep the rent rolls filled. The latest plans for ground zero call for the same 10 million sq. ft. of office space as the original World Trade Center, but the site's potential as a repeat target may repel business. "People don't want to work in a building with a bull's-eye on it," says Fainstein. "It doesn't matter if it's built like Fort Knox."

Even if he does find the tenants, Silverstein's methodical plan for development--one building at a time--has maddened his critics, convincing them that he simply does not have the cash to build out the site. The April agreement gives him about 60% of the $3.3 billion in public funding made available from Liberty Bonds to finish the site. He also has a $4.6 billion insurance settlement--it was ruled that the towers were hit by two separate attacks--although that is under appeal." As a reminder, 911 was the second attack on this building. Not only had Silverstein insured for too small an amount, he’d also failed to complete policy negotiations before the attacks occurred. As a result he’s been involved with legal fights with the insurers for years, and can only claim $4.6 billion instead of the $7 billion (with even that subject to appeal as of January 2007) he might have got if they’d all agreed to the same document. Does any of this really sound like the actions of a man who knew what would happen on 9/11?

Whether you think that Mr. Silverstein is an evil man or not is your opinion. He was investigated by the FBI, CIA, NSA, MOSSAD, ASIO, HNA, Al-Mukhabarat al-'Ammah, General Security Directorate, and SVR. None found any attachment or prior knowledge, compliancy or imbroglio with 911.


The Twin Towers were constructed like a tube inside of a tube. The design was an innovation of its day. Thick steel columns ran up the middle of the building. This housed the elevators, stairwell, electrical conduits, water, sewer and other services which ran up and down the length of the buildings.

For you to understand the collapse, you will have to remember four main elements.
• Core columns
• Perimeter columns
• Floor Trusses
• Fire proofing

The columns of the building normally found evenly spaced out on a given floor became the outer wall of the building. This left large open areas for renting. Instead of encasing each column in heavy concrete, (normal fire proofing) the designers relied on 'sprayed on' fire proofing with a 2 hour rating to protect the load bearing columns and trusses from fire. Each WTC tower was essentially bolted together like an erector set. Each average floor had 376 5/8" bolts, 188 Truss seats, 120 ViscoElastic pieces and 120 gusset plates.

Now that we know how the building were erected, let us examine how the fire spread, how fast, and the collapse.

CT suggest the use of thermite. They show photos of a thermite reaction burning a hole downward through a metal plate. And somehow this caused an explosion. But, thermite does not explode. Furthermore, thermite can not burn sideways to melt vertical columns. While there are relatively large canisters which can burn small holes sideways, I have yet to see this elusive steel cutting technique used to cut a vertical column. There is a patent of a device which has been brought up but as of yet there is no evidence the idea went any further. Does it even work? Anyone can make a patent but it doesn't mean it exists or even works. Even if it did, they are "Ganged" together to make the cut according to the patent. You would still need these boxes all over the columns. It would be pretty absurd to suggest they moved the walls away from the columns just to fit these things around the columns. And, one would think that this would be noticeable. The last thing we are to ignore is that this thermite charge didn't go off during the impact and decided to go off later.

So, the CTs have suggested, "Nanothermite!" They offer these links to prove its explosive properties. The problem is the links do the exact opposite.


INTRODUCTION
Aluminum powder is a common ingredient in energetic materials. The aluminum is used to increase the energy and raise the flame temperature in rocket propellants. It is also incorporated in explosives to enhance air blast, increase bubble energies in underwater weapons, raise reaction temperatures and create incendiary effects. In explosives, it is generally assumed that combustion of aluminum particles occurs behind the reaction front (during the expansion of the gaseous detonation products), so that the particles do not participate in the reaction zone, but rather act as inert ingredients.
http://www.intdetsymp.org/detsymp2002/PaperSubmit/FinalManuscript/pdf/Brousseau-193.pdf

Scientists can engineer nanoaluminum powders with different particle sizes to vary the energy release rates. This enables the material to be used in many applications, including underwater explosive devices, primers for igniting firearms, and as fuel propellants for rockets.

http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/01/wo/wo_gartner012105.asp?p=1

Note it doesn't say this type of thermite takes the place of explosives, only "to enhance air blast". None of the suggested uses scream POWERFUL to me. The towers were not underwater, and their is no evidence rockets were strapped to the columns. That they would use it as a primer and not an actual explosive seems to be good evidence it's not as powerful as the conspiracy theorist suggest.


Now that you have the ignorance of "Scholars for 911 truth" we can continue...

To be honest, I don't like this kind of evidence. It's not something which the scientists of the NIST or anyone else can prove. It's for 'assumptionists', of which I'm not one. Yet, there is enough evidence to point to the glow being aluminum. (Anyone saying they KNOW what the substance is would be lying. I won't pretend to KNOW it's aluminum because I don't. The NIST doesn't say they KNOW either. They only conclude it's aluminum because it's the most likely, given the evidence.)


"NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

One of the glaringly OBVIOUS pieces of evidence is the place the flow is coming from. It just happens to be where the airliner crashed to a halt. You can tell by the way the perimeter columns see pix. They're bowed out like a catcher's mitt.

Building 7 was on fire and there was massive damage done to the south side of the building, debris from the tower collapse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Si3ceFxVts
The link is to RAW footage of 9/11, in particular WTC building 7, partially consumed by fire, melting the beams which then resulted in it's collapse, also shown in this vid is a direct ground shot of a large portion of the building missing at the bottom, look closely.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d45_1320106542#ylImK5YDjLwv3jDL.99

I did not put the concentration camp information in because it had nothing to do with his assassination. Do you want his complete history?

If by Zionist you are meaning Jews. Yes, there were some that behaved badly. Just as in all wars. Do you want to recount some of America's bad moments in dealing with the enemy? Okay, shall we begin with the march across Samar? General Smith instructed Major Littleton Waller, commanding officer of a battalion of 315 US Marines assigned to bolster his forces in Samar, regarding the conduct of pacification:

“ I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn; the more you kill and burn, the better it will please me... The interior of Samar must be made a howling wilderness..." As a consequence of this order, Smith became known as "Howling Wilderness Smith." He further ordered Waller to have all persons killed who were capable of bearing arms and in actual hostilities against the United States. When queried by Waller regarding the age limit of these persons, Smith replied that the limit was ten years of age.

On January 26, 1943, the submarine USS Wahoo fired on survivors in lifeboats from the Japanese transport Buyo Maru. Vice Admiral Charles A. Lockwood gave the order. The survivors were later determined to have included Allied POWs of the Indian 2nd Battalion, 16th Punjab Regiment, who were being escorted by Japanese Army Forces from the 26th Field Ordnance Depot. Of 1,126 men originally aboard Buyo Maru, 195 Indians and 87 Japanese died, some killed during the torpedoing of the ship and some killed by the shootings afterward.

During and after the Battle of the Bismarck Sea (March 3–5, 1943), U.S. PT boats and Allied aircraft attacked Japanese rescue vessels as well as approximately 1,000 survivors from 8 sunken Japanese troop transport ships. The stated justification was that the Japanese personnel were close to their military destination and would be promptly returned to service in the battle. Americans praised the slaughter.

American servicemen during the Pacific War deliberately killed Japanese soldiers who had surrendered, according to Richard Aldrich (Professor of History at Nottingham University). Aldrich published a study of diaries kept by United States and Australian soldiers, wherein it was stated that they massacred prisoners of war. According to John Dower, in "many instances ... Japanese who did become prisoners were killed on the spot or en route to prison compounds." According to Professor Aldrich, it was common practice for U.S. troops not to take prisoners. His analysis is supported by British historian Niall Ferguson, who also says that, in 1943, "a secret (U.S.) intelligence report noted that only the promise of ice cream and three days leave would ... induce American troops not to kill surrendering Japanese."

Ferguson states such practices played a role in the ratio of Japanese prisoners to dead being 1:100 in late 1944. That same year, efforts were taken by Allied high commanders to suppress "take no prisoners" attitudes among their own personnel (as these were affecting intelligence gathering), and to encourage Japanese soldiers to surrender. Ferguson adds that measures by Allied commanders to improve the ratio of Japanese prisoners to Japanese dead resulted in it reaching 1:7, by mid-1945. Nevertheless, "taking no prisoners" was still "standard practice" among U.S. troops at the Battle of Okinawa, in April–June 1945. Ferguson also suggests that "it was not only the fear of disciplinary action or of dishonor that deterred German and Japanese soldiers from surrendering. More important for most soldiers was the perception that prisoners would be killed by the enemy anyway, and so one might as well fight on."

Ulrich Straus, a U.S. Japanologist, suggests that Allied troops on the front line intensely hated Japanese military personnel and were "not easily persuaded" to take or protect prisoners, as they believed that Allied personnel who surrendered got "no mercy" from the Japanese. Allied troops were told that Japanese soldiers were inclined to feign surrender in order to make surprise attacks, a practice which was outlawed by the Hague Convention of 1907. Therefore, according to Straus, "Senior officers opposed the taking of prisoners on the grounds that it needlessly exposed American troops to risks ..." When prisoners nevertheless were taken at Guadalcanal, Army interrogator Captain Burden noted that many times POWs were shot during transport because "it was too much bother to take [them] in".

U.S. historian James J. Weingartner attributes the very low number of Japanese in U.S. prisoner of war compounds to two important factors, namely (1) a Japanese reluctance to surrender, and (2) a widespread American "conviction that the Japanese were 'animals' or 'subhuman' and unworthy of the normal treatment accorded to prisoners of war. The latter reason is supported by Ferguson, who says that "Allied troops often saw the Japanese in the same way that Germans regarded Russians — as Untermenschen" (i.e. "subhuman".

The "Canicattì massacre" involved the killing of Italian civilians by Lieutenant Colonel George Herbert McCaffrey. A confidential inquiry was made, but McCaffrey was never charged with an offense relating to the massacre. He died in 1954. This fact remained virtually unknown in the U.S. until 2005, when Joseph S. Salemi of New York University, whose father witnessed it, reported it.

In the "Biscari massacre", which consisted of two instances of mass murder, U.S. troops of the 45th Infantry Division killed roughly 75 prisoners of war, most of whom were Italian.

According to an article in Der Spiegel by Klaus Wiegrefe, many personal memoirs of Allied soldiers have been willfully ignored by historians until now because they were at odds with the "Greatest Generation" mythology surrounding World War II. However, this has recently started to change, with books such as "The Day of Battle", by Rick Atkinson, where he describes Allied war crimes in Italy, and "D-Day: The Battle for Normandy," by Antony Beevor.[32] Beevor's latest work is currently discussed by scholars, and should some of them be proven right, it suggests that Allied war crimes in Normandy were much more extensive "than was previously realized".

Historian Peter Lieb has found that many U.S. and Canadian units were ordered to not take enemy prisoners during the D-Day landings in Normandy. If this view is correct, it may explain the fate of 64 German prisoners (out of the 130 captured) who did not make it to the POW collecting point on Omaha Beach on the day of landings.

Near the French village of Audouville-la-Hubert, 30 German Wehrmacht prisoners were massacred by U.S. paratroopers.

In the aftermath of the 1944 Malmedy massacre, in which 80 American POWs were murdered by their German captors, a written order from Headquarters of the 328th U.S. Army Infantry Regiment, dated 21 December 1944, stated: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but [rather they] will be shot on sight." Major-General Raymond Hufft (U.S. Army) gave instructions to his troops not to take prisoners when they crossed the Rhine in 1945. "After the war, when he reflected on the war crimes he authorized, he admitted, 'if the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.'" Stephen Ambrose related: "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."

"Operation Teardrop" involved eight surviving captured crewmen from the sunken German submarine U-546 being tortured by U.S. military personnel. Historian Philip K. Lundeberg has written that the beating and torture of U-546's survivors was a singular atrocity motivated by the interrogators' need to quickly get information on what the U.S. believed were potential missile attacks on the continental U.S. by German submarines.

The "Dachau massacre" involved the killing of German prisoners of war and surrendering SS soldiers at the Dachau concentration camp.

Among the American WWII veterans who did admit to having committed war crimes was former Mafia hitman Frank Sheeran. In interviews with his biographer Charles Brandt, Sheeran recalled his war service with the Thunderbird Division as the time when he first developed a callousness to the taking of human life. By his own admission, Sheeran participated in numerous massacres and summary executions of German POWs, acts which violated the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 and the 1929 Geneva Convention on POWs. In his interviews with Brandt, Sheeran divided such massacres into four different categories.
1. Revenge killings in the heat of battle. Sheeran told Brandt that, when a German soldier had just killed his close friends and then tried to surrender, he would often "send him to hell, too." He described often witnessing similar behavior by fellow GIs. 2. Orders from unit commanders during a mission. When describing his first murder for organized crime, Sheeran recalled: “It was just like when an officer would tell you to take a couple of German prisoners back behind the line and for you to ‘hurry back’. You did what you had to do.”3. The Dachau massacre and other reprisal killings of concentration camp guards and trustee inmates.4. Calculated attempts to dehumanize and degrade German POWs. While Sheeran's unit was climbing the Harz Mountains, they came upon a Wehrmacht mule train carrying food and drink up the mountainside. The female cooks were first allowed to leave unmolested, then Sheeran and his fellow GI's "ate what we wanted and soiled the rest with our waste." Then the Wehrmacht mule drivers were given shovels and ordered to "dig their own shallow graves." Sheeran later joked that they did so without complaint, likely hoping that he and his buddies would change their minds. But the mule drivers were shot and buried in the holes they had dug. Sheeran explained that by then, "I had no hesitation in doing what I had to do."

The No Gun Ri Massacre refers to an incident of mass killing of undetermined numbers of South Korean refugees conducted by U.S. soldiers of the 7th Cavalry Regiment (and in a U.S. air attack) between 26 July and 29 July 1950 at a railroad bridge near the village of No Gun Ri, 100 miles (160 km) southeast of Seoul. In 2005, the South Korean government certified the names of 163 dead or missing (mostly women, children, and old men) and 55 wounded. It said many other victims' names were not reported. Over the years survivors' estimates of the dead have ranged from 300 to 500. This episode early in the Korean War gained widespread attention when the Associated Press (AP) published a series of articles in 1999 that subsequently won a Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.

The Vietnam War Crimes Working Group Files is a collection of (formerly secret) documents compiled by Pentagon investigators in the early 1970s, confirming that atrocities by U.S. forces during the Vietnam War were more extensive than had been officially acknowledged. The documents are housed by the United States National Archives and Records Administration, and detail 320 alleged incidents that were substantiated by United States Army investigators (not including the 1968 My Lai Massacre).

The My Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam, almost entirely civilians, most of them women and children, conducted by U.S. soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division, on 16 March 1968. Some of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War. Of the 26 U.S. soldiers initially charged with criminal offenses or war crimes for actions at My Lai, only William Calley was convicted. Calley only served 3 years & a half under house arrest instead. Three American Servicemen (Hugh Thompson, Jr., Glenn Andreotta, and Lawrence Colburn), who made an effort to halt the massacre and protect the wounded, were sharply criticized by U.S. Congressmen, and received hate mail, death threats, and mutilated animals on their doorsteps.

Is this enough, or do you need information on our current activities that are less than admirable?

As you can see, war is brutal. There are no nation that enters into war that does not commit unthinkable acts. Whereas I fully admit that the Jewish people, did in fact kill the ambassador and did in fact bomb the hotel. Do you fully admit that the US military has committed horrible actions?

Apparently you did not read my comments about the Hotel Bombing. Sorry you missed the points.

It is true that Larry Silverstein is Jewish and by definition a Zionist as are all Jews, and he did lease part of the World Trade Center. And it is also true that he is still paying for that lease. Silverstein Properties and the Port Authority continue to be guided by a lease each signed six weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The lease stipulates that should the complex be destroyed, Silverstein must continue to pay the $120 million a year rent in order to maintain the right to rebuild. Here I must quote; "Susan Fainstein, professor of urban planning at Columbia University. "They thought by building this impressive complex, it would make downtown a competitor. But so much space came up at once, and there just wasn't the demand to fill it." New York State even moved some offices there to help keep the rent rolls filled. The latest plans for ground zero call for the same 10 million sq. ft. of office space as the original World Trade Center, but the site's potential as a repeat target may repel business. "People don't want to work in a building with a bull's-eye on it," says Fainstein. "It doesn't matter if it's built like Fort Knox."

Even if he does find the tenants, Silverstein's methodical plan for development--one building at a time--has maddened his critics, convincing them that he simply does not have the cash to build out the site. The April agreement gives him about 60% of the $3.3 billion in public funding made available from Liberty Bonds to finish the site. He also has a $4.6 billion insurance settlement--it was ruled that the towers were hit by two separate attacks--although that is under appeal." As a reminder, 911 was the second attack on this building. Not only had Silverstein insured for too small an amount, he’d also failed to complete policy negotiations before the attacks occurred. As a result he’s been involved with legal fights with the insurers for years, and can only claim $4.6 billion instead of the $7 billion (with even that subject to appeal as of January 2007) he might have got if they’d all agreed to the same document. Does any of this really sound like the actions of a man who knew what would happen on 9/11?

The dancing Jews. The news said they had filmed the Towers burning. Now this may shock you, but there were many people who filmed the incident. Every single person who pointed a camera at the WTC on 9/11 did so because they wanted to “document the event”. And then there is the person who claimed the suspicious people were dancing and giving high fives. The other side of the story as told by these boys (Yaron Shmuel, Oded Helmar, the brothers Paul and Sivan Kretzberg, and a fifth man named Omer), on the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located. The young men say that they did not see the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers. The five denied dancing. I presume the neighbor was not near them and does not understand Hebrew. Furthermore, the neighbor complained that the cheerful gang on the roof spoke Arabic. As far as I understand it, that neighbor has had previous problems with the company, and she could have been waiting for an opportunity to avenge the owners. And that person who reported this activity refused to be interviewed or make statements to the port authority. She has since retracted her statement.

Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates. That woman, Israeli Dominick has left the country before she could be questioned by Port Authorities.

The five boys, were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., they were questioned, searched, and the van was x-rayed, and no evidence was found linking them to the Twin Towers or any group that had terrorist association. However, three of the young men did not have work permits and were turned over to authorities for deportation. Another member of the five, had a German and an Israeli passport, he had duel citizenship. He was held long after the deportation of his friends. He was questioned without his attorney, they found nothing on him and released him.

Rather than relying on a known Anti-Semite, here is a link to the actual police documents and FBI reports. Read them for yourself. http://www.scribd.com/doc/62394765/Related-article-at-http-tinyurl-com-FBI-Dancing-Israel... The FBI files are redacted, but the entire investigation is in those documents. Read them or not, the truth is there.

No, they didn't. May have looked that way, but not possible. Demolition and Structural Engineers have debunked that conspiracy theory.

None of the data recorded by the nine seismic monitors active in downtown Manhattan on 9/11 were consistent with seismic data taken from controlled demolition of highrise buildings.

Demolition engineers said it would have been impossible to conduct a covert preparation of a WTC tower for demolition. The time, equipment and crews to do something like that could not have done so in secret.

You "Troofers" are a freaking joke.