Posts for: payne1000
May 23, 2015 21:21:31 #
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LAPhil wrote:
Right, I just revised my post before I saw yours just now.
Phil, I'm sure you and Poppagringo are familiar with the term "Hasbarat," because the term describes you both:
"If you have ever visited a blog or on-line discussion group on the Middle East you have doubtless had the misfortune to run into them.
They are known by the language they use: depraved sexual insults, bile, bigotry, threats, disinformation and character assassination. Thats right: Im talking about hasbarats, zionist trolls who infect the Internet with hasbara, pro-Israel propaganda. Of course, mainstream media hasbarats have been around for decades, as have hasbaratchiks, fifth-columns in foreign governments who subvert national policies to serve Israel. The Internet, though, is the latest, some might say the greatest, propaganda playground, and Israel cannot cope with factual, passionate, well-documented stories that expose its war crimes and unrepentant criminality.
If youve come across a hasbarat, on-line or otherwise, you have learned that no amount of reasoned argument or intellectual maturity has any effect. Thats because hasbarats dont care if they come across as ignorant, obnoxious, nasty or inane. All that matters for them is sabotaging criticism of Israel and support for Muslims. They're like anti-intellectual stink bombs: designed to cause maximum discomfort but have little if any real power.
This deliberate proliferation of on-line hasbarats raises two points. The first concerns why anyone would spend hours a day to prostitute themselves for Israel. Money, of course. Ilan Shturman, deputy director of the Israeli foreign ministrys hasbara department, told an Israeli business newspaper in July that US$150,000 had been allocated for the first stage of a campaign to seed the Internet with hasbarats:
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Our people will not say: Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following. Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.
The second point is why Israel felt it had to resort to intellectual fraud on an international scale. The Internet has shown that Israel is a failed oppressor state that commits crimes against humanity as a matter of policy. The last straw for many was Operation Cast Lead, an act of such unspeakable unapologetic sadism that allusions to Nazi Germany are entirely appropriate.
Every day, it seems, the mythic foundations of Israels legitimacy--the holocaust, Jewish victimhood, Jewish people, Israeli democracy, evil Muslims--are exposed for all to see.
In January, Amir Gissin, Israels consul-general in Toronto, sent out a hasbara recruitment letter, which read in part: If you are frustrated or concerned with the portrayal of Israel in Canadian News and with biased depictions, your voice can be heard. Now, think that youre not alone 10,000 voices like yours can respond every day: praise, protest, inform, correct on leading Canadian news websites, in real time, effectively.
The weakness with this tactic, as you probably figured out, is that hasbarats will inevitably shout and whine themselves into irrelevance. Eventually, intelligent people will tune out the zionist boilerplate, the anti-Muslim smears, and the interminable drone about the holocaust. Already, the once-dreaded epithet anti-Semite has lost all significance, as if it ever had any, and the person who hurled it is more likely to be mocked than feared."
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=7937
May 23, 2015 21:06:16 #
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saltwind 78 wrote:
As you may have noticed, there have been no suicid... (show quote)
The Palestinians don't launch rockets into Israel. Hamas launches the rockets. Where do they get the rockets since Israel controls everything that goes into Gaza? Hamas was created by Israel and Israel supplies Hamas with the rockets. That's why the rockets haven't killed any Israelis in a long time and very few in their total history.
May 23, 2015 20:59:31 #
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PoppaGringo wrote:
Thank you.
You're welcome (with reservations).
May 23, 2015 20:56:54 #
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lpnmajor wrote:
I do believe that you are confused as to who you w... (show quote)
I'm going to have to eat a lot of crow here. I'm guilty of the same mistake I pointed out that Carol had made.
I mistakenly thought I was replying to Carol and what I wrote was my opinion of her method of operation and not yours.
I'm embarrassed but not afraid to admit my mistakes when I discover them.
May 23, 2015 20:44:41 #
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CarolSeer2016 wrote:
1. You said: br This is probably the most ridicul... (show quote)
Carol,
Our exchanges have only just started and I am baffled by your comments which have nothing to do with my comment which you were answering.
May 23, 2015 15:19:31 #
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PoppaGringo wrote:
You are quite adept at that...inferring.
I am adept at thinking outside the Zionist constructed box.
You are attempting to keep readers stuck in that box.
May 23, 2015 15:15:49 #
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PoppaGringo wrote:
Are you denying ISIS is behaving like a 10th-century barbarian?
ISIS is behaving like the barbarian mercenaries they are paid to be.
May 23, 2015 14:41:41 #
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PoppaGringo wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're laughing on the outside while steaming on the inside.
ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
May 23, 2015 14:36:51 #
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lpnmajor wrote:
I care a very great deal, however, I'm not going t... (show quote)
Some of us here on OPP are here to offset the effect of propagandists such as yourself.
No one here appears to have their agenda more firmly cemented than yourself.
You're making a good decision not to engage in serious debate. Lies and hoaxes are very difficult to defend if not impossible.
Just continue to make the inference that you know more than anyone else here. That's your only defense even if it is totally false.
May 23, 2015 14:22:56 #
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saltwind 78 wrote:
They lived in Arab lands mostly as second class ci... (show quote)
As I said, when you base everything on Zionist propaganda, you are wrong on everything.
"Immediately after occupying the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Stripthe remaining 22 percent of historic Palestinein 1967, Israel promulgated Military Order 101, stripping Palestinians of all political rights and embarking on an illegal colonization of their land. More than forty years later, Human Rights Watch concluded, in a report entitled Separate and Unequal: Israel's Discriminatory Treatment of Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, that Israels military occupation has resulted in policies which harshly discriminate against Palestinian residents, depriving them of basic necessities while providing lavish amenities for Jewish settlement.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/204744-kerry-is-wrong-israel-is-already-an-apartheid-state
Israel's apartheid wall which keeps Arabs out of Jewish areas.
IDF patrols the wall.
How is this different than the Berlin Wall?
May 23, 2015 13:52:40 #
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CarolSeer2016 wrote:
You need to have not only an understanding of human nature, but of anthropology, in order to fully comprehend the Bible.
You need to have an understanding of what makes sense in order to free yourself from the Biblical hoax.
May 23, 2015 13:50:01 #
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CarolSeer2016 wrote:
One thing, my thread is not about the differences ... (show quote)
The Bible not only contradicts science, it contradicts itself many times:
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#good_to_all
May 23, 2015 13:43:52 #
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CarolSeer2016 wrote:
One thing, my thread is not about the differences ... (show quote)
You don't find me a worthy opponent because you know I will never subscribe to your mendacity.
It is the Bible which is based on a fantasy world, not liberalism.
May 23, 2015 13:40:57 #
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PoppaGringo wrote:
Are you denying ISIS is behaving like a 10th-century barbarian?
Did you miss the links which document ISIS to be a creation of Mossad, the CIA and MI6?
May 23, 2015 13:39:06 #
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saltwind 78 wrote:
Why would you think that Jews have not been expelled from Muslim lands? It's pretty much common Knowlege. I knew a Jewish man from Morraco that was the royal travel agent. During the first few hours of the six day war, the Morracan army was hit by Israeli aircraft and taken out. He and his wife were taken prisoner and tortured for several days before being expelled. He had nothing to do with the war.
Why do you think that Sephardic Jews hate Arabs?
Why do you think that Sephardic Jews hate Arabs?
When you base everything on Zionist propaganda, you get everything wrong.
Sephardic Jews lived in peace alongside Arabs in Palestine for centuries before the Zionist Ashkenazi fake Jews invaded Palestine.
Zionists treat Sephardic Jews as second class citizens in the apartheid state of Israel.
http://jewsvszionists.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/sephardic-jews-%E2%80%94-second-class-citizens/