I appreciate that. Thanks.

One of my self-chosen and professor approved projects in my under-grad history course (an elective) and the subject of my final term paper was a study of the Third Reich. Of course, my research on the subject turned up far more than I could possibly fit in a term paper, so the theme of my paper was focused on der Fuehrer himself with some references and footnotes on the "Final Solution". This effort was enough to compel me to continue studying Hitler and his regime long after I graduated. I wanted to see if I could understand the reasons that an entire nation could be driven insane. I graduated with a Master's in 1992 and have been at it off and on ever since.

I can't even begin to list the books and other sources that I have read and researched on the subject. It boggles the mind to know that there are human beings out there who deny that the Holocaust ever took place. There are a lot of Red herrings in Holocaust denial.

The Holocaust denial movement is world wide and is generally associated with four groups

* white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
* Pro-Palestinian activists and Islamic militants.
* Anti-Semites in general.
* General conspiracy theorists, iconoclasts, or curmudgeons who don't necessarily pursue such denialism based on any political motives.

Among them are such infamous and influential characters as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, David Duke, and George Lincoln Rockwell. It goes without saying that payne1000 here has chosen a truly dark path to follow.

What exactly is the credibility of your post ?
An accusation that the holocaust was all propaganda. ?

What is typically the strongest evidence presented in court rooms ?

Would you say it's conjecture ? or thousands upon thousands of eye witnesses. ?

Have you noticed yet that probably over 99% of responses, believe the holocaust did happen as history and eye witnesses have said.

So you think you and your approximate 1% of the worlds view on history is correct and the other 99% knowledge of history is wrong. ? Really ?

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A very small sampling:

45 minute video Auschwitz: The Forgotten Evidence

1 hour, 15 minute video The Holocaust: Night will Fall

32 minute video Dachau Concentration Camp

20 minute video Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp

28 minute video Buchenwald Concentration Camp

52 minute video The Liberation of Auschwitz (includes 1945 original Red Army footage)

Nazi Concentration Camp System: In Depth

The decision to kill all the Jews of Europe was taken in 1942 while Germany still believed it had the strength to win the war. The gas used was an insecticide, not a fuel. When the Nazis first started their invasion of Eastern Europe, they used special troops ( Sonderkommandos) to kill masses of Jews in firing squads, but this proved too costly.
The holocaust is the most documented genocide ever to take place. I believe that you don't have a leg to stand on.
You seem to back every position taken by Abbas the leader of the Palestinian Authority. Abbas "earned" his doctorate on the thesis that the holocaust never took place. The man is a liar and an anti-semite, just like you. He speaks peace when his audience is western, and vile anti-semitism when his audience is Arab.

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Thank you, kind and generous lady! What rewards you don't receive on Earth, I feel very confident you'll receive in Heaven! I'm sure, too, that the shoes and purse that you'll receive up there will be of a much finer quality than anything you could get here, on Earth. :thumbup:

Plus, this 'Payne in the azz1000' is a real trip; all of it bad, though. I'd prefer to hope that "his/hers/its" beliefs came from using some bad dope. I would've hoped that, by now, Payne and his handlers would've learned that those chemicals will mess up your mind; that one needs to be careful what is in the Kool Aide they're drinking, too.

It's already proven that Payne can't compose a rational thought. That's why he has to post propaganda developed by others. Plus, his last original thought died of loneliness years ago.

It's apparent to see, he does struggle mentally and emotionally. Instead of taking ownership of his life and developing a plan that can get him out of the financial, mental and emotional poverty he's currently in, he's choosing to wallow in self-pity and use Jews as the scapegoat and whipping boy for all of his failures and transgressions. Blaming someone else for your own failures is a hallmark characteristic of someone who is mentally and emotionally challenged. I sincerely pray that Payne can get the psychological help he desperately needs. Otherwise, he's a walking time-bomb; a threat to society and himself. I would ask that he go and talk to a Christian counselor; but, as he's already claimed himself an atheist, I don't think my recommendation, alone, would be the impetus for him to go to one. That would require some "divine intervention."

It's people, like Payne, that can easily become another Roof. Instead of going after African-Amercans in a Black church, I think Payne would go after Jewish children at a Jewish day care center. Payne doesn't strike me as having the balls to try to exhibit his frustrations by striking at a location where there is even a remote chance of someone possibly fighting back. No, Payne would be the quite type who plays out his well thought out scenario by suddenly becoming a bully, brutalizing those who can't fight back. That way, there's very little chance that someone can mess up his plan to make a statement.

By posting here, on the OPP, he's simply testing the waters, looking to see if he can garner any support for his ideology and maybe even pick-up an equally dim-witted accomplice. That's why he's been asking for responses to his outrageous comments. He wants to know who's for him and who's against him. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Hey that was beautiful.I am a structural concrete form carpenter forman and in my career I have done steel beam construction enough to half assed keep up with you. If I may I think what your saying is. A floor or floors support structure failed,as the shock load slam down on the ones below, because of the shock loads from the weight above, witch there is only so much you can do about(3 hour stand time after compromised)crushed each floor below speeding up as it came down. With the weights we are talking about how fast it came down would be dependent on the amount of floors above and the weight of each floor above the
impact. At the most basic form of explanation. It was like how to a certain weight a aluminum can will let you slowly stand on it and not ccollapse.But lift your foot and stomp down it can easily be crushed. Above the planes impact is like your foot. When the planes hit it compromised a floor or floors and it dropped like your foot on a aluminum can. Because of the damage at impact the heat WAS enough to start the fall at a shorter than normal time because of the speed the heat was dispersed. That explains the explosions the people heard slow at first and increasing to a rumble the further down the collapse got. The explosions where the individual floors collapsing on each other. Now as long as the debris backs up what you say. All that would show up in the debris. One thing that looked suspicious was how the planes hit to the side of center. Not compromising the structure perfectly even. I would have thought from the impact up would have fallen to the side of the most damage. I understand after a certain speed and weight a near vertical fall would have happened. But at the start wouldn't you see a more pronounced fall in the direction of impact. Also as the floors above fell making contact with the floor below wouldn't a huge amount of material be ground off between the two structures. Further exaggerating the affect of a off center impact point. Also slowing the rate of collapse considerably because of lost material weight and again exaggerating even more a collapse to the side of impact. In the egg crate design you mentioned that's what I would have expected to see. You know kinda like that can you don't step down on perfectly centered. I think it was tower two that the plane was horribly off center. I am just a carpenter so I'm probably wrong. Again signs of that would show up in the debris.