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Jul 3, 2015 17:01:12   #
Rufus wrote:
Payne, have you ever considered killing yourself ?


Have you ever considered becoming a human being?
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Jul 3, 2015 16:56:46   #
Holocaust Liar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SQWB36uKkw

How many others are there?
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Jul 3, 2015 16:47:24   #
Holocaust Hoax: Science Repudiates Mass Cremation Stories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoCygmfPgb8
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Jul 3, 2015 16:46:08   #
rolse wrote:
It certainly was, and in more ways than one. The trials set a dangerous precedent in the rule of law that has now come to be visited on many here in America. The truth was only presented about the commission of certain overt acts. In nearly all cases, nothing was said about those who knew what was going on, financed it, and profited from it. Or about those who used those profits to fund their own agendas at the expense of other's liberty and prosperity.


More on the Nuremburg trials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECI8fPXhvo
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Jul 3, 2015 16:28:59   #
emarine wrote:
read this and weep putz... its about you


Holocaust Denial Timeline

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WHAT IS HOLOCAUST DENIAL?

The Holocaust is one of the best documented events in history. “Holocaust denial” describes attempts to negate the established facts of the Nazi genocide of European Jewry. Common denial assertions are: that the murder of six million Jews during World War II never occurred; that the Nazis had no official policy or intention to exterminate the Jews; and that the poison gas chambers in Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp never existed.

A newer trend is the distortion of the facts of the Holocaust. Common distortions include, for example, assertions that: the figure of six million Jewish deaths is an exaggeration; deaths in the concentration camps were the results of disease or starvation but not policy; and that the diary of Anne Frank is a forgery.

Holocaust denial and distortion are generally motivated by hatred of Jews, and build on an accusation that the Holocaust was invented or exaggerated by Jews as part of a plot to advance Jewish interests. This view perpetuates long-standing antisemitic stereotypes by accusing Jews of conspiracy and world domination, hateful charges that were instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust.

The United States Constitution ensures freedom of speech. Therefore, in the United States denying the Holocaust or engaging in antisemitic hate speech is not illegal, except when there is an imminent threat of violence. Many other countries, particularly in Europe where the Holocaust occurred, have laws criminalizing Holocaust denial and hate speech.

This timeline lists some key events in the evolution of Holocaust denial.

1942-1944: To conceal the evidence of their annihilation of Europe's Jews, Germans and their collaborators destroy evidence of mass graves at the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers, and at thousands of sites of mass shooting operations throughout German-occupied Poland, the German-occupied Soviet Union, and Serbia, including Babi Yar, in an operation code named Aktion 1005.

1943: In a speech to SS Generals at Poznan, Heinrich Himmler, Reich Leader (Reichsführer) of the SS (Schutzstaffel; Protection Squadrons), remarks that the mass murder of the European Jews will be kept secret, never to be recorded.

1955: Willis Carto founds an influential, far right group based in Washington, DC, that eventually comes to be known as the Liberty Lobby. Led by Carto until its bankruptcy in 2001, the Liberty Lobby advocates a “racially pure” United States and blames Jews for problems facing the US and the world. The Liberty Lobby begins to publish Holocaust denial literature in 1969.

1959: American clergyman Gerald L. K. Smith's antisemitic publication, Cross and the Flag, claims that six million Jews were not killed during the Holocaust but immigrated to the United States during World War II.

1964: Paul Rassinier, a French Communist who had been interned by the Nazis, publishes The Drama of European Jewry, in which he claims that gas chambers were an invention of a “Zionist establishment.”

1966-67: American historian Harry Elmer Barnes publishes articles in the Libertarian periodical Rampart Journal claiming that the Allies overstated the extent of Nazi atrocities in order to justify a war of aggression against the Axis powers.

1969: Noontide Press, a subsidiary of the Liberty Lobby, publishes a book entitled The Myth of the Six Million.

1973: Austin J. App, professor of English literature at LaSalle University in Philadelphia, publishes a pamphlet: The Six Million Swindle: Blackmailing the German People for Hard Marks with Fabricated Corpses. The pamphlet becomes a foundation for future claims by Holocaust deniers.

1976: Northwestern University engineering professor Arthur R. Butz publishes The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry. Butz was the first Holocaust denier to use the pretense of academic rigor to disguise his falsehoods. Northwestern responds by declaring Butz's statements an “embarrassment” to the university.

1977: Ernst Zündel, a German citizen living in Canada, establishes Samisdat Publishers, which issues neo-Nazi literature that includes Holocaust denial. In 1985 the Canadian government prosecuted Zündel with distributing information he knew to be false.

1977: David Irving publishes Hitler's War, arguing that Hitler neither ordered nor condoned the Nazi policy of the genocide of the European Jews. Irving distorts historical evidence and scholarly methods to lend legitimacy to his thesis.

1978: William David McCalden (also known as Lewis Brandon) and Willis Carto found the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) in California, which publishes material and sponsors conferences denying the Holocaust. The IHR masks its hateful, racist messages under the guise of valid academic inquiry.

1980: The IHR promises a $50,000 reward to anyone who can prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. Survivor Mel Mermelstein submits an affidavit of his internment at Auschwitz and brings suit against the IHR when the institute refuses to pay. In October 1981, Superior Court judge Thomas T. Johnson uses "judicial notice," which allows courts to recognize as fact matters that are common knowledge, to issue a ruling that the Holocaust was fact and that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.

1981: A French court convicts literature professor Robert Faurisson of inciting hatred and discrimination for calling the Holocaust a “historical lie.”

1984: In a landmark case, a Canadian court convicts public school teacher James Keegstra of “willfully promoting hatred against an identifiable group” for espousing Holocaust denial and other antisemitic views to his social studies students.

1986: On July 8, the Israeli parliament passes a law criminalizing denial of the Holocaust.

1987: California-based Bradley Smith founds the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. During the early 1990s, Smith's organization places full-page advertisements or editorial pieces in more than a dozen American college newspapers under the headline “The Holocaust Story: How Much is False? The Case for Open Debate.” Smith's campaign helps to blur the line between hate mongering and freedom of speech.

1987: Jean Marie Le Pen, leader of France's far right Nation Front party, suggests that gas chambers were merely a “detail” of World War II. Le Pen runs for president in France in 1988 and comes in fourth.

1987: Moroccan-Swedish writer Ahmed Rami begins broadcasting on Radio Islam, based in Sweden. The station describes the Holocaust as a Zionist/Jewish claim. Radio Islam later posts The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Mein Kampf, and other antisemitic texts on its website.

1988: At the request of Ernst Zündel, Fred Leuchter (a self-proclaimed specialist in execution methods) travels to the site of the Auschwitz killing center. He later issues the Leuchter Report : An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution Gas Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek, Poland, which is cited by Holocaust deniers to cast doubt on the use of gas chambers for mass murder.

1989: David Duke, a white supremacist, wins a seat in the Louisiana State Legislature. Duke sells Holocaust denial literature from his legislative office.

1990: After Illinois becomes the first American state to mandate teaching about the Holocaust in public schools, parents Ingeborg and Safet Sarich publicly protest by pulling their 13-year-old daughter out of school. The Sariches also mail 6,000 letters to public officials, scholars, journalists, and Holocaust survivors attacking the historical record as “rumors and exaggerations.”

1990: The French government enacts the Gayssot Law which declares that questioning the scale or existence of crimes against humanity (as defined in the London Charter of 1945) is a criminal offense. This act marks the first European statute explicitly outlawing denial of the Holocaust.

1990: In the course of criminal proceedings brought against Fred Leuchter by the State of Massachusetts, it is revealed that Leuchter never actually earned an engineering degree or license. Leuchter admits that he has no training in biology, toxicology, or chemistry, all of which are crucial to the claims of the 1988 Leuchter Report, which is often cited to support claims made by Holocaust deniers.

1990: A Swedish court sentences Ahmed Rami to six months in jail for “hate speech” and revokes the broadcasting license of Radio Islam for one year.

1991: The American Historical Association, the oldest professional organization of historians, issues a statement: “No serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place.”

2000: A British court declares David Irving an “active Holocaust denier.” Irving had sued Emory University historian Deborah Lipstadt for libel following the publication of her 1993 book Denying the Holocaust The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory.

2005: In a speech broadcast on live television on December 14, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “myth.”

2006: Iran's government sponsors a meeting of Holocaust deniers in Tehran cloaked as an academic conference called “Review of the Holocaust: Global Vision.”

2007: On January 26, the United Nations adopts a resolution condemning denial of the Holocaust. The General Assembly declares that denial is “tantamount to approval of genocide in all its forms.”

2007: The European Union approves legislation that makes Holocaust denial a crime punishable by time in jail.

2009: English-born Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson denies the existence of gas chambers and minimizes the extent of killing during the Holocaust. The Vatican eventually calls on Williamson to retract his statements.

2010: Bradley Smith places his first online Holocaust denial advertisement, which appears on the website of the University of Wisconsin's Badger Herald in February. The Internet—because of its ease of access and dissemination, seeming anonymity, and perceived authority—is now the chief conduit of Holocaust den
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You don't supply a source for this propaganda piece. Is that because it would be obvious that it is from a Zionist source?

Strange that David Cole is not on that list. Was he left out because he is Jewish? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjNs-Ght8s#t=322

Also missing from that list is Benjamin Freedman who is also Jewish.
Freedman made a very interesting speech about how Zionism caused both World Wars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8
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Jul 3, 2015 16:08:40   #
Floyd Brown wrote:
Much of what was said in the recap of WWII was was said by the victors.


Benjamin Freedman, a wealthy Jew who converted to Catholicism, referred to Zionists as "Talmudists."
He explains how Talmudists caused both world wars and stole Palestine from its rightful owners:
http://www.whale.to/c/hiddenyyranny.pdf
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Jul 3, 2015 16:04:08   #
Loki wrote:
There you have it, your very own neologism.


He didn't coin a new word. He gave a false definition to an existing word.
Are all hasbarats as ignorant as you two?
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Jul 3, 2015 16:01:02   #
alabuck wrote:
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Loki wasn't "falsely" accusing you. He was just using your insult against you. He simply redefined the word to make you its definition; and quite accurately, I might add.

The new definition of "hasbarat" is: "Anyone or anything that copies, mimics, or resembles, in any way, a 'payne1000.'"


Here's an accurate description of "Hasbarat:"

"If you have ever visited a blog or on-line discussion group on the Middle East you have doubtless had the misfortune to run into them.

They are known by the language they use: depraved sexual insults, bile, bigotry, threats, disinformation and character assassination. That’s right: I’m talking about “hasbarats,” zionist trolls who infect the Internet with hasbara, pro-Israel propaganda. Of course, mainstream media hasbarats have been around for decades, as have “hasbaratchiks,” fifth-columns in foreign governments who subvert national policies to serve Israel. The Internet, though, is the latest, some might say the greatest, propaganda playground, and Israel cannot cope with factual, passionate, well-documented stories that expose its war crimes and unrepentant criminality."
http://www.gregfelton.com/media/2009_09_30.htm

That should give readers a clear picture of who the Hasbarats on this forum really are.
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Jul 3, 2015 15:51:11   #
67p5065 wrote:
there are those that always try to rewrite history will they manage to do it this time ?


History was rewritten at the Nuremberg Trials.

Here's some real history for you:

American Nuremberg prosecutor, Thomas Dodd, wrote in a letter to his wife during the trials:

"You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge -- you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial -- for their own sake.

"For -- mark this well -- the charge 'a war for the Jews' is still being made and in the post-war years it will be made again and again.

"The too large percentage of Jewish men and women here will be cited as proof of this charge. Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things. They seem intent on bringing new difficulties down on their own heads. I do not like to write about this matter --it is distasteful to me -- but I am disturbed about it. They are pushing and crowding and competing with each other and with everyone else."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Nuremberg/Thomas_Dodd_ltr.html
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Jul 3, 2015 15:45:41   #
rolse wrote:
No, it's not. I don't know where that came from. Possibly a "re-creation" of some sort for public consumption. The originals were poured concrete lined with firebrick and used natural gas and wood and coal as fuel. Over a dozen bodies could be burned at one time in each unit. Forced draft, coupled with a tall stack, increased the temperature to about 2100 deg. F. In about two hours, the remains were pulled out and a new load was put in. Even then, the ovens always fell behind, so the most decomposed were loaded in first; especially during the summer months. Liquid fuels were in short supply later in the war. Natural gas was not. They weren't fussy about complete combustion, either. They had plenty of labor to pulverize bones and bury them. When they got too far behind, the bodies were loaded on gondola cars and buried in mass graves.
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Can you show photos of what you describe?
Surely if they photographed all the stacks of bodies, they photographed the ovens you describe. If you can't show photos, maybe you can show a source for where you got your information. If you can show neither, readers may think you made it all up.
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Jul 3, 2015 15:41:21   #
alabuck wrote:
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As you take pride in others denigrating Jews, if Anna-Marie Crampton is guilty of saying these words, then it can be surmised that she must be your mama; or a relative of some sort. Daughter, perhaps?

I'm presuming you have the ability to reproduce. Sadly, that, in itself, would be a crime against humanity. Low-life's, like you, who promulgate fear and hate, should be sterilized and removed from society; perhaps sent to a remote and barren, desert island where you and your kind can literally feed off one another.
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Anna-Marie Crampton probably researched world Jewry's declaration of war against Germany and the boycott against German goods which took place in 1933. She probably then learned about the Zionist act of treason against non-Zionist Jews when the Traitors took a $100 million of Jewish money to Palestine in order to break the boycott and save Hitler's economy. The non-Zionist Jews who were patriotic to Germany were sending telegrams to the Jews in control in NYC begging them to stop aggravating the Nazis and causing them to persecute the Jews of Germany. World Jewry ignored these pleas. They were willing to sacrifice the non-Zionist Jews of Germany in order to get a foothold in Palestine.
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Jul 3, 2015 09:51:19   #
JMHO wrote:
A rebuttal to stupidity? You're pathetically ignorant, pal.

BTW, where are those test results...Hasbarat?


I'm guessing Horowitz fired you for lack of imagination.
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Jul 3, 2015 09:15:31   #
JMHO wrote:
Interesting only in your warped little feeble mind.


Is that a rebuttal?
I don't see a rebuttal there.


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Jul 3, 2015 09:10:30   #
Here's an interesting article:

UK Politician Suspended for ‘Jews Caused Holocaust’ Statement

A British politician who said that Jews deliberately orchestrated the Holocaust has been suspended by her party.

Anna-Marie Crampton allegedly wrote on her website, “Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers.”

“The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist Jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today.”

Cramptom, a UKIP candidate for local government, made the alleged comments on a conspiracy website.

The UKIP, which describes itself as democratic and libertarian, has released a statement saying the party is “appalled” by the comments. “We are confused as to why a party like the UKIP would be seen by anyone as a suitable vehicle for someone holding these sorts of views,” a party spokesman said.

However, the party is withholding judgment until after an investigation. Crampton has claimed that the offensive remarks were posted by a “troll” who hacked her account.

She said that she does “post on Zionism as a political movement,” but denies harboring anti-Semitic feelings.

If Crampton is found not to have made the remarks, UKIP will apologize for suspending her, party officials said.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167525#.VZaH-UbvQ0g
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Jul 3, 2015 09:07:52   #
JMHO wrote:
No patriotic American should support anything you post...Hasbarat. You're just a senile old man, in the first stages of Alzheimer's.


All you can do is copy Loki who was the first to falsely label me a hasbarat.
A hasbarat defends Zionism. How stupid is it to call me a hasbarat?
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