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Aug 19, 2015 14:10:15   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
U tube has been sighted by the ADL as carrying thousands of anti Semitic messages. They have refused to consider removing or not permitting these messages to continue. As I have said over and over again, anybody can post anything on the web. If you want to quote, use recognized authorities on subjects. I much prefer books by scholars without an axe to grind! Payne, You continue to place all hateful blame on Zionists, and defend Muslims. Now you go so far as to say that the monster that committed the Boston Marathon bombing is innocent. You clearly have an axe to grind and it is anti Semitic! Not all anti Zionists are anti Semitic, but all anti semites are anti Zionists.
I don't look at quotes that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt are false. I wouldn't look at a post that says that the earth is flat or that aliens are among us. I believe that you do hate Jews. Your outrageous claims make it obvious to me and others that read your posts. The large majority of Jewish people in this country, and around the world support Israel in its fight against those that seek to destroy it. I among these Jews, and will always be.
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Blind loyalty to a morally corrupt political movement is what caused the German people and the rest of the world to suffer through a horrible war which killed 60 million.
How many have died and will eventually die in the wars brought on by Zionism?
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Aug 19, 2015 14:05:06   #
tenneman wrote:
From Wicki:
"Within Islamic jurisprudence, jihad is usually taken to mean military exertion against non-believer/non-Muslim/Muslim combatants who insulted Islam. The ultimate purpose of military jihad is debated, both within the Islamic community and without. Jihad is the only form of warfare permissible in Islamic law and may be declared against illegal works, terrorists, criminal groups, rebels, apostates, and leaders or states who oppress Muslims. Most Muslims today interpret Jihad as only a defensive form of warfare."

The first sentence requires one to research what exactly is an "insult" to Islam. If you have the time you will find that all of the behavior of non-Muslims is an "insult" to Islam. The list is simply to long to cover in this reply.


I found it instructive when comparing the Islamic condemnation of terrorism with Christianity’s condemnation of murder. I’ll give you a hint which the progressive media establishment cannot get their heads around: the Islamic doctrine’s definition of “innocent” does not coincide with Webster’s.

While non-Muslim Westerners assume they know what is meant by “terrorism,” “innocent” and “civilians,” these are hotly debated terms in the Islamic world. Anjem Choudary, leader of a British Islamic group explained it quite clearly to an interviewer when responding to questions about the July 7, 2005 London bombings. He explained that victims of the affair were not innocent because they were not Muslims: “When we say innocent people we mean Muslims. As far as non-Muslims are concerned they have not accepted Islam. As far as we are concerned, that is a crime against God…… As far as Muslims are concerned you are innocent if you are Muslim. Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are non-Muslim, then you are guilty in the eyes of God.”

If you check out the position of the Islamic spiritual gurus in Mecca and Medina you will find the fore mentioned at the core of their "jurisprudence."

tenneman
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Promoting a religious war through lies and misinformation is the most despicable agenda I can imagine. You and many others on this forum are guilty, Tenneman. If there was a God, I think it would deal harshly with your ilk.
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Aug 19, 2015 13:30:20   #
sissymary wrote:
Or threaten his family like they did with Ross Perot.


Or send him an anthrax letter as they did with Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy.
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Aug 19, 2015 11:19:04   #
Tasine wrote:
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HEar me out. All of this crap about how horrible Israel is is deflecting from our most major and constant problem that we may be able to handle. Please get off the vast conspiracy.......I don't give a hoot in hell who is trying to do what. What I care about is keeping MYSELF and MY FAMILY safe from whatever nuts are running around loose in my country. If we don't stop that, it won't matter who grabs up all the money. It won't matter what rites they practice. It won't imprint on our brains because we will be dead or incarcerated, unable to do a thing. PLEASE stay on top of what is happening here. The whos and whys are not that important at this time. What IS important is to see to it that no more psychopaths get elected in America to high power jobs in government......at present the insane are running the country, no matter what Israel or the Illuminati is doing. You are wasting precious time trying to get us to attack our only ally amongst all the Muslim thugs who would cheerfully die just to see some of us die.
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The really dangerous nuts running around loose are the Zionist Neocons who constantly try to get the U.S. into wars in which we have no stake.
These wars create the enemies which you are worried about. Muslims may hate us for supporting Israel's massacres of Muslims and the massacres the U.S. participated in on Israel's behalf in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they have no organization nor do they have the weapons to hurt America as the Zionists certainly do.
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Aug 19, 2015 10:33:48   #
Tasine wrote:
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Either you have a comprehension problem in reading OR you want to start a fight. Maybe I should be more grade schoolish when I post something. Let me take each sentence I wrote and explain it so that all first graders here can grasp what I mean.

My comment with explanations in red: "How many nukes do we, the United States, have Someone said Israel hides its nukes.......I am asking don't we ALSO; and if not, why not? I would think EVERY country with nukes would hide them from the enemy! Frankly I am glad Israel keeps its nukes hiddenI think all countries with nukes should keep them hidden and under guard ....... otherwise the insanecrazy, nutty, terrorist ME would have already nuked us." Is your problem that you think Israel is insane, nutty, crazy, INSANE? I think highly enough of Israel that I don't consider it Middle East, even though the fact is that it is part of the ME, but no one, certainly not I, has ever said, thought, or dreamed that Israel is insane. Are you incapable of reading two sentences and grasping the meaning that to me seems so very obvious? I have ALWAYS cheered for Israel. Apparently there are even some real dummies who also cheer for it.
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Israel is insane:
"Israel has always been mad and bad. How could it not be when it is based on a fearful, traumatised, paranoid, settler-colonialist culture with a sense of eternal entitlement, and when it is built on the ruins of the indigenous culture it has worked so hard to eliminate? Israel has always done bad things, terrible things. Ask the Palestinians, the asylum seekers, the poor, women… But previously things were done in secret. When Israel was young and poor and needed the world, it was keen to present an image of legality, reason, refinement, intellect and democracy to fit with the Western world it so wanted to be a part of. What was always right under a thin veneer, but that almost every Israeli Jew knew and supported, is now brought out into the open. Israel is simply leading itself and its culture to its logical conclusion. What is happening now was always inevitable. It is the next logical step. It is impossible to sustain a split reality of a civilised, legally-minded, educated, cultured, refined, enlightened society while colonialism continues to rage with its atrocities and injustices. Enlightenment can only truly exist on a foundation of justice and freedom. Anything else is self-serving and short-lived nonsense. Most Israeli academics not only support their regime, they benefit from it. Watch the majority of them say nothing about these new developments.

As ugly and as dangerous as these developments are, it is a good thing that the truth is finally out. Israel should have never been supported in the first place, but it’ll be increasingly harder for anyone to continue to support a country that is following the path Israel does now. Like all sick societies, Israel is its own biggest enemy and it feels invincible, justified and does not give a damn about what others think about it. This is a lethal cocktail."

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/israel-always-crazy#sthash.20gwqNXT.dpuf
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Aug 19, 2015 10:06:56   #
Tasine wrote:
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How many nukes do we, the United States, have? Frankly I am glad Israel keeps its nukes hidden.......otherwise the insane ME would have already nuked us.




Who in the Middle East has nuclear weapons other than Pakistan?
Why would they want to nuke the U.S.?
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Aug 19, 2015 09:59:26   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
What do you mean by " the insane ME?"? I hope that you are not referring to Israel. Why in G-d's name would Israel nuke the U.S.? I have been to Israel, and have seen with my own eyes that the Israeli's love America. Interestingly enough, this extends more to non Jewish Americans, because many Israelis believe that Jews in America should be in Israel. All of them have relatives here, and the great majority speak English. Israel's greatest markets are the US and Europe. Why would they want to destroy a country that is their best customer, is vital in defending them, and shares it's democratic values?
Israel has an arsenal of tactical fission bombs, not the fusion weapons that are far more than destructive, and have never threatened any other nations existence. Those nukes were developed to remind those countries like Iran that an existential attack on the Jewish state would have its consequences.
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I'll tell you why Israel would nuke the U.S.

Most Americans are favorable to the Iran nuclear agreement.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/23/poll-plurality-of-american-jews-support-iran-deal-49-31/

In order to change public opinion about the agreement, there would need to be a major false flag event which would be blamed on Iran by the Zionist-controlled media.

Israel could use one of their tactical nuclear weapons in the U.S. and the media would find a way to blame it on Iran. This type of false flag operation worked for Israel on 9/11. I'm sure they think they can get away with it again.
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Aug 19, 2015 09:45:46   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Any Muslim deaths caused by war with the West and or Israel occurred because of muslims with the exception of Iraq which was a Bush thing. Jihadist murder against the rest of the world including Muslims is horrific! POWs burnt in a cage, babes murdered in their parents arms, African villages plundered, raped and murdered, these are the actions of psychopaths. You blame the rest of the world for defending themselves. You say the real monsters are the Jews, for being able to defend themselves successfully against these beasts.
As far as the crazies go, I remember a phrase we used to have in Nam, " kill 'em all and let G-d sort out the good ones".That is for the Hezbollah, Hamas', ISIS and those that seek to turn the world into a pure hell!
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The real monsters are the Zionists, not the Jews. When you keep deliberately ignoring that distinction, it is an intentional troll-like tactic to make it appear that I hate Jews.
Bush had little to do with causing the war in Iraq. The Zionist neocons were the catalyst for that war. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJUnG3Z6WI

It was these guys

Zionist neocons of PNAC


More Zionist Neocons who pushed for war with Iraq.

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Aug 18, 2015 19:22:34   #
solarkin wrote:
Good Heavens !!
Things could get ugly?
How about our Pilot from Jordan.
Was that ugly enough for you?
If not, you're one sick mfer.
Iran has one goal, a Caliphate with the USA and Israel burning.
Open your blind eye, look into history and decide where you stand.
You are either For , Or Against freedom.


Such an ignorant and hateful comment doesn't deserve any of my time.
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Aug 18, 2015 17:50:31   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
tenement, I was a US History teacher and Modern world history teacher as well. Islam is one of those ideas that changes with time and place. It was way ahead of the West during the middle ages. The level of civilization in Muslim Spain, Bagdad and the Ottoman Empire under Suliman the law giver was way superior then that of the West. It has to be noted that those Islamic cultures were far more tolerant than the Islamic countries that come to mind in todays world.


Did it ever occur to you that Muslims might be upset for the illegal "Shock and Awe Bombing" they received in Iraq? They also know they were falsely blamed for 9/11. That would piss off any race/religion.
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Aug 18, 2015 17:46:29   #
tenneman wrote:
Islam cannot be truly vetted via wiki. If one is to diagnose the reality of Islam he/she must engage the Qur'an, Hadith, and other texts all in concert with the history of Mohammad and the Middle East.

The exact Qur'anic verbage, regarding the jihad tenets, does not lend itself to any other interpretation than the one clearly stated. This exact form of intolerance is taught in all of the Madrassas to children, begining at 9 years of age.


It's a seminary. It's where students of different ages, as young as nine or ten, go to learn religious education and to be schooled first of all in reading and then in religious studies. Unfortunately the madrassas--thousands all over the Muslim world--are where Muslim children are taught the vitals of jihad.

The reality is that while active jihadists are a minority in the one and a half billion Muslims populating planet Earth all polls show that minority approaches a number larger than the population of North America and they base their actions in an exact form of Islamic theology, while in the ascendancy throughout the Islamic world. Factor that by the reality that nowhere in Islam is there a significant anti-jihad, anti-al Qaeda, or anti-bin Laden—---recently dispatched to meet his 72 virgins in the Garden------movement; while Muslims worldwide rioted over cartoons in a Danish newspaper and remarks by the Pope, they have never rioted over Osama bin Laden’s supposed hijacking of their faith. Remember the thousands of Muslims gathering in D.C a few months back? There were many placards being raised yet not one sign/placard demonstrated anti-jihad sentiments.

There is no way to misinterpret the jihad tenets. They can only be ignored or changed by the decision making mullahs in Mecca and Medina and those folks are big jihad supporters.

tenneman
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Show me where Muslims in recent history have killed as many Christians and Jews as Christians and Jews have killed Muslims in the Middle East in the last dozen years? Muslims would have to have killed over a million Christians and Jews to match the death toll of Muslims killed by the U.S./Israel alliance. Show me the figures of how many Christian and Jews Muslims have killed?
You can't count 9/11 because it has never been proven who did that job.
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Aug 18, 2015 17:35:22   #
boatbob2 wrote:
One thing about the Donald That I like is,,,,"he has his own money" they cant buy him....


But they could threaten to cut off his balls and stuff 'em down his throat.
That might give him pause.
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Aug 18, 2015 17:33:26   #
peter11937 wrote:
Trump is running hard and is in the lead.


Trump is only promoting his brand. He knows he won't be there for the final selection. Trump hasn't been invited to join CFR or Bilderberg. How can he even think he has a chance?
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Aug 18, 2015 15:40:04   #
missinglink wrote:
This is the same man who directed Carter and LBJ. R U kidding. Look what their terms in office accomplished. Sleep with dog's ya get fleas, birds of a feather , peas in a pod , etc. etc.


You obviously haven't learned that both political parties are the same, either.
Watch the video I recommended to diaperman. U.S. politics might start to make sense to you.
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Aug 18, 2015 15:33:40   #
CowboyMilt wrote:
Very Old news, but still good...bet it would be Trump instead Ran Paul TODAY...just sayin'


The contrast between Trump and Paul is blinding. Paul has always been a populist. Trump is an extreme capitalist.
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