The refusal by Egypt and Jordan to accept Palestinian refugees has been getting a lot of attention recently, with several reasons being offered but all of them come down to a fear that doing so might import Israel's war to their respective countries.

Israel has no respect for the international community as they have continued to violate agreements such as the Geneva Convention for decades. So it makes sense that Egypt and Jordan would be concerned about attacks from Israel if Palestinians are entering their country.

There is also the fact that unlike a lot of Americans who think Israel is "just defending themselves" Authorities in Egypt and Jordan are all well-acquainted with the Zionist ambition to take over the entire region and purge all Arabs.

I saw this in the Associated Press today...
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi said the current war is not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.
https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

I expect his reason for saying that is that the president is also well-acquainted with the Arab resistance to this unjustified aggression and since Camp David, Egypt has had to put a lid on on that resistance coming from Egypt. If they absorb the Palestinian population, there will no doubt be a significant number of anti-Israeli militants among them.

So it's very simple... Neither Jordan, nor Egypt wants to become a new target for Israel to attack.

That sounds more like you than me.


LOL - As if you have some inside relationship with the Palestinian people making YOU the expert. Get real. We know that the Palestinian people elected Hamas and we know that people don't elect leaders unless those leaders offer them hope. It's fundamental logic.

My suspicion is that you're so emotionally invested in your hatred of Palestinians that you can't think straight and when someone mentions a word like "hope" in the same sentence as "Hamas" you lash out with whatever nonsense comes to mind in the moment.


I think you're wrong. But you're welcome to offer some evidence. And if you can't do that it proves that you're making unfounded assumptions.

Sure... persecution, natural disaster, war... they all count. A refugee is anyone who is forcefully displaced. So nice try. What is it with all you conservatives trying to disqualify arguments by redefining words? Is that the latest tip from Ann Coulter on how to talk to a liberal?


OK... So a Jewish family in 1935 Germany is gathered around the table for a family vote. Are they OK with being persecuted so that they would be separated from each other and relocated or do they want to live a better life which means they would have to escape persecution?


I checked... Judicial Watch is one of those 503(c) non-profit corporations used to advance conservative political agendas. If they're like any of the others, the lawyers are sleaze-balls and all the organization cares about is chasing all opposing views out of the republic. These 503(c) are a dime a dozen.

As soon as the Republicans pushed the law to allow political organizations to claim tax exemption, thousands of forms were filed. The IRS was flooded with it and the audits were finding tons of invalid claims almost all of them from conservative groups. Conservatives made a big deal out of how the Obama administration was "targeting" conservatives. I remember laughing my ass off... They aren't "targeting" conservatives, you dimwits... It just so happens that almost all of the invalid 503(c) forms were from conservatives.


OK, first of all... there's nothing about immigration that has ANY bearing on our sovereignty. I suggest you look that word up.
Secondly, I only support undocumented immigrants within the scope of emergency. I know you would be happy to watch them die on the street but I'm not like that. I help people when I can and I don't give a f*ck if you don't like the person I'm helping just because our immigration process is too underfunded (thanks to the Republicans) to process him.


Don't give me that crap. I AM a legal immigrant and I know perfectly well, that there are undocumented immigrants that are more than willing to do everything I did but the system is intentionally limited. So not every one who is willing to work hard and get here legally are allowed to. For refugees it's even worse because they often can't start the process in the countries they are coming from.

All you are doing is using a law to justify your bigotry.

IMO, being a pacifist IS the best.
BTW, most pacifists I know are combat vets.


So... first you tell me that I'm ignorant for even suggesting that Hamas might have given them hope. THEN you talk about how they might have done just that. Are you in the habit of insulting people for saying the very same thing that you are about to say?

You can continue to propagate that narrative if it's that important to you but I know that Hamas did in fact provide government services including healthcare. I don't get all uptight about ignoring anything positive for fear of compromising my acknowledgement that they also run a terrorist operation.


You don't know that. Besides, if that were true the starvation and disease we see now would have already been a factor BEFORE 10/7.


UNRWA is not part of the U.S. government. So, I am correct in saying that "we" (as in, our tax money) are not giving anything to Hamas. But thank you for the link... UNRWA is asking for donations to help Palestinian refugees, so I did.


Belabor your grievances with CNN all you want, it doesn't matter... The point is, they retracted the stories.


Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the rapes didn't happen. I only said there is no evidence.


Imagine all you want.


I think not.


No, I didn't see a little girl calling for the eradication of "Isreal".
BTW, I'm a progressive and I'm not calling for the eradication of Israel. Seems like maybe, you're the one that's confused. The people who want to eradicate Israel are the fanatics in Hamas who in political terms, happen to be a right-wing, religious-conservative group. The opposite of progressive.

They are Arabs in the same sense that I am Celtic. You folks need to get over these false delimmas. They identify as Palestinians... Yes, most of them are Arabs, that's their race; they are also Muslims, that's their religion and they are also Palestinians, that's where they live.

There's never been a country called Tennessee either, Scooter. Ya gonna tell me Tennessee doesn't exist and shouldn't exist? It doesn't matter if Palestine ever matched YOUR nerdy definition of a country... The area where Israel currently sits has been referred to as Palestine since the Romans gave it that name. The Empires that controlled it, the Romans, the Ottomans the British... They ALL referred to it as Palestine. They never called it Israel.

And why would that make me wrong on so many counts anyway? I never said it was a country.


I don't blame the people of Gaza for putting them there. They need SOMEONE to break them free of Israeli oppression. This is why I suggested an invasion of the occupied territories in my other thread. It won't happen because of the Pro-Israeli lobby in Washington, but if not for that and maybe the Christian Zionists, we could whip together an international coalition, including ALL the Arab and European nations that are are already condemning Israel's occupation, in a matter of days, then invade Gaza.

Objectives would be to clear the territories of non-coalition combatants, move a resolution through the U.N. to declare Gaza an international zone, administer humanitarian aid, carry out a regime change in Gaza, negotiate or force a complete withdrawal of Israeli control from Gaza, move the U.S. Embassy back to Tel Aviv, initiate a reconstruction framework in Gaza and establish a plan for transitioning sovereign control from the UN to a new republic of Palestine.

Israel wins too because the threat of Hamas will be gone. Granted, the Islamic Resistance being a matter of religious-extremism may not accept the continued existence of Israel at all. They will always be a problem and Palestine will need constitutional promises to do what it can to secure a peaceful relationship with Israel.

It will be the start of the two-state solution, that everyone on the planet wants but the Zionists. Since Zionism is pretty much the same thing as the Islamic Resistance, a fight for land that weaponizes religion, we have to expect the same. Zionists may not accept that they can't take over the entire region from river to sea. They will always be a problem too, they may even revert back to their terrorist entities like Irgun.



Despite the inevitable fanatics on the fringe, this solution would put an end to systemic violations of basic human rights that have characterized the Israeli occupation and it will give the Palestinians a chance to make something of Gaza that Israel only pretended to give them.

You make a lot of assumptions.


Why? It was a general statement. This world is getting pretty crazy and death threats are on the rise. If you're going to present controversial ideas on social media, which I do, you want to take measures to protect your family from the crazies who take offense. It's just a good rule of thumb. For most of us, anonymity serves this purpose.

Of course there is no way of really knowing if someone online is actually crazy enough to go that low, but someone actually saying he wants to meet somewhere to kick my ass is yellow flag. lol


I understand... I was also raised to look people in the eye. And I get the whole "say that to my face" thing too, although I can't remember the last time I ever took an insult from an anonymous entity seriously enough to care.


That's funny... I had a feeling... I tell ya what though, there's no WAY I'm hittin' a bag in a garage in 100'F of Florida humidity.

A war? Are you frickin' kidding me? You sound like one of those people who thinks a broken nail is a major injury. A war... hah!
So you got 2 million Palestinians physically locked in a small space of about 140 square miles with no where to go. The most they have to fight back with are some home made rockets with zero accuracy. That's not a war that's shooting fish in a barrel.

A war... get real.


Yeah, if you don't know that, you're trying real hard to ignore it.


...giving them hope?


Well, if they actually got $5 billion from someone then I would guess that it went to a lot of things... 5 billion over 24 years isn't really that much. It probably went to food, medicine, building supplies, gasoline and probably smuggled weapons.

What happened to the $34 billion that Israel got from the American taxpayers since 2016?


As far as I know, their schools don't get money from us. We don't actually give ANYTHING to Hamas. Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization. Did you not know that? We don't fund terrorist organizations.

And I don't know that their schools actually teach their children to hate Jews... I've heard the accusation but there's a LOT of false accusations flying around. I'll say one thing though, given the brutality of the Israeli occupation I don't think Palestinian children need anyone to *teach* them to hate Jews.

Oh, yeah - because I'm so scared! LOL

How do you know? Are you out there counting them? No? Then how do you know they're lying?


Uh, the fact that the World Central Kitchen is an international organization that tracks their workers and the fact that those workers have families in other countries that have already been interviewed. Oh, and let's not forget the footage released by the IDF AND Israel's apology for the incident where they clearly admitted it and called it an unfortunate mistake.


Not all of us :) In fact in case you missed this, a lot of Americans sent Biden a pretty clear message during the primaries. They want him to stand up for Palestine and this sentiment is growing.

To answer your question, there's a lot Biden can do that the Arabs couldn't do. For one, he can cut the funding that Israel has been depending on for decades. Also, he can slap Israel with sanctions that would effectively bring Israel to it's knees. He can also join the rest of the world in it's condemnation of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories.

Biden really doesn't want to do these things. Unlike me, he is far more interested in continuing the "special relationship" but Netanyahu isn't making it easy.

So I'm a liar but it's not worth the effort to prove it? LOL


Well, if you had the intelligence to follow along you would notice that in most cases, I don't "discount" the opinions of others without a logical argument. So its not so much a "discounting" as it is a "deconstruction". I've noticed that you and the rest of the retards on your side are obsessed with this fact vs opinion crap. It's like NONE of you ever took a class in critical thinking. Oh wait... you probably didn't. Well, that explains a lot.


"That needs knocked on his ass?" LOL - Can you speak English or should we switch to grunts and barks?

And the whole "let's meet" thing is hilarious! Obviously you're so frustrated from being intellectually outclassed that you're resorting to the threat of physical violence. Well, that's not going to happen Pumpkin. For one, I don't want to be responsible for your hospital bills and secondly, I don't want creeps like you tracking down my family to send death threats.

So my suggestion to you is to log off, head to your garage and take it all out on that punching bag. Make sure you open the door first so the chicks on the street can see how macho you are. Ha, ha ha!

At first, perhaps... as is often the case in the heat of the moment. But since then, the more credible journalists have come to realize the same things that I pointed out and they have retracted their stories, including CNN and the NYT.


I'm not so sure. They are very desperate people and I hate to give their actions any credit but they are getting more world support now than they ever did by playing the endless diplomacy game. Keep in mind, these are people who are willing to blow themselves up for their cause. Not something a typical American can even fathom.


That might actually be a brighter future for them than surviving another day under the heinous oppression of Israel. I've seen a little bit of what they are forced to endure and to be honest I would rather be killed in a blaze of glory than suffer under Israeli occupation.


Which Israelis are you referring to? Or do you think they're all the same? Not all Israelis support the abuse of the Palestinian people. That's why Netyanyahu is being faced with protests everywhere he goes now.

If you are referring to the right-wing government led by Netanyahu, then I disagree. First of all, that government offers nothing to the American people in exchange, Secondly, I don't support governments that commit genocide.


Yes, there is. Sorry bro, but just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean it's not happening. Israel is bombing the crap out of the entire area, they have actually targeted the water supplies AND humanitarian aid convoys. So what people aren't being killed by the bombs are being killed by starvation and disease. If that's not genocide, then the word has no meaning.


I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here but not every Palestinian is a Hamas recruit. So I hope you're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Western media rarely ever shows the human side of Palestinian life. Some people think it's because Israel tries to control that narrative - they don't want anyone to see the human side of the people they are trying to exterminate. This is why our cameras focus almost entirely on the Palestinians who ARE terrorists, so it's easy for people like us to come to these insanely prejudiced conclusions.

Also, let me remind you that any dog will turn into a snarling threat if you abuse him enough and this is just what hateful regimes do the people they persecute. People were fine with the Palestinians until the Zionists came to screw them under and abuse them. The ONLY reason why Palestinians might seem violent or intolerant is BECAUSE of the way Israel treats them.

Now, if you ARE actually referring to ALL the Palestinian people, which would make you a racist, then no further conversation is necessary. I get it... hate is hate. You really don't have to explain it.

So you are actually telling me that the difference between fact and opinion is the number of people who agree with you? I keep reading it over, hoping that you're not THAT stupid, but it looks like this exactly is what you saying.

So then during the middle ages when most people thought the Earth is flat... it was? And and any suggestion that it wasn't was just an opinion? So... now that most people think the Earth is round the fact changed? Can you please explain how the Earth managed to transform itself from a flat board to a round globe when people changed their opinations?

LOL - you're one of the fun ones. I just hope you're not really retarded 'cause I'd feel bad for laughing at you if you are.

I haven't lied yet... You just don't like what I have to say. I never said I'm an atheist either, so it looks like YOU are the one who's lying.

I'm not anti-Semitic either. Technically, the term comes from archeology and is a reference to a language group, which is the best way to categorize ancient people and culture based on inscriptions found on artifacts. The Semitic people spread from Eastern Africa to the Middle-East. Now, here's the interesting thing... The original Hebrews (Sephardic Jews) were/are indeed Semites, but so are the Arabs... ALL of them, including Palestinians. By contrast, most of the Zionist Israeli's are Ashkenazi Jews who are NOT Semitic people at all. These people hail from the Indo-European language group.

To make it easier for the racists here to understand the difference. Semites have dark eyes and dark hair. A Jew with blonde hair and blue eyes is NOT Semitic. But in the throes of ignorance and hate, we have idiots calling those who are defending Semitic Arabs, anti-Semites.

So maybe stop trying to use fancy words that you don't understand. What kind of bigot are you actually accusing me of being? anti-Jewish? Is that what you mean? No, I am not anti-Jewish. Anti-Israeli? No, I'm not anti-Israeli either. Anti-Zionist? Bingo!

So if you're going to accuse me of something, at least get your sh.t straight.

You're delusional - lol


First of all, show me a refugee who isn't looking for a better life. Maybe you're getting confused... a refugee doesn't necessarily mean a fugitive.

Secondly, I don't know who "Judicial Watch" is... for all I know, it could be an organization of dimwits. Also there are thousands migrants... are you seriously going to tell me that Judicial Watch has enough people and money to interview every migrant out there?

Thirdly, I have a close friend who works for the RC church in New York and she is dealing with immigrants everyday. I have met some of them and yes, some of them ARE refugees. So forgive me for not bowing to the awesome authority of "Judicial Watch" but what they are saying on the Internet and what I am witnessing first hand do NOT match.


Well that's better than what Trump was claiming when he was still in office!



According to most Republicans there are WAY more undocumented immigrants now than there was when Trump was in charge, so if there is any truth to the blabber it means that Biden is far more efficient at dealing with the issue than Trump was. Or... maybe you right-wing dingbats should get your stories straight.

Also the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration Integrity, Security, and Enforcement that came up with the $150 billion figure is dominated by election deniers, so their credibility is in question and I already see one flaw... they included the cost of welfare. I know for a fact that undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare.


That's incredibly short-sighted, verging on complete stupidity. The sheer number of people has nothing to do with their ability to clean up their own country. You people are the first to say that America is in such bad shape and yet we are the third most populous country on Earth.


I treat all humans with the same respect until they give me a reason not to. If you're going to get all pissed off because I give the same respect to an immigrant that I give to a citizen, that's YOUR problem.