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Dec 14, 2023 18:44:30   #
Haski123 wrote:
Good comment. History has proven that great organizations and great countries eventually fall. Roman’s, Huns, Alexander the Great Macedonia, Greeks,Germany, Egypt,,Large companies same way. Why -integrity, morality, ethics, huge wealth imbalance, invasion from outside or rebellion from inside.
I agree we are creating slowly the environment for the American experiment to fall.

We need to better vett elected officials, ensure job s are desirable, we need to each search in ourselves truth, morality,respect for others, and ethics. Need to re-establish national patriotism
( I’m scared if we had a war and tried a draft today it would be worse than Vietnam era draft-dodgers, people fleeing, mothers up in arms) a pure disaster. We need to establish a process for more income equality- not sure what that is-trickle down didn’t work, having wealthy pay fair share for SS, other taxes without destroying free enterprise, we have to accept that in this country we should not hesitate to help the poor and aged.
If we do these things by these ideas or others we can length life of our democratic republic experiment!

Thanks for sharing stimulated many thoughts-bigger picture
Cheers!
Good comment. History has proven that great organi... (show quote)



You make an excellent point of past collapses.
It is my understanding, most empires collapsed when morality fell.
We have as a nation, arrived at a fallen morality.
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Dec 14, 2023 18:36:40   #
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
I hope some take your advice Haski

Simple concept - trump caused his own problems.


All politicians (my guess 90%) are corrupt in some form, causing their own problems.
Did Trump cause his own problems, most were the constant attacks, aside from anything Trump did.
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Dec 14, 2023 18:33:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
It may seem that way but he did accomplish some things. His approach did not bring unity to USA, in fact it made partisan divide stronger and deeper. His my way or the highway, support me or I’ll get you primaried, his


Agreed, but the deep diversity and divide began under Obama. Trumps presence and the lefts meltdowns after the 2016 election was a catalyst and it only took the presence of Trump, with help from the anti-trump media to make things worse
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Dec 14, 2023 18:30:54   #
Haski123 wrote:
So now the legal system has broken down? Clearly all J6 protesters did not break the law, those that did were arrested and going through court system. How did the videos give you the information that a majority arrested never entered the capital. I can see the ones knocking down barriers and police, breaking windows should be arrested along with many that entered the capital without capital police approval. I expect they are the majority of those arrested . I’ll do some more checking on your majority arrested didn’t enter capital. Ring leaders/planners would be the others that may have not entered the capital.
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They were peaceful, but did charge capital police after being fired upon, injured.
You ignored my reply, video and audio police cams, proved the police incited the crowd
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Dec 14, 2023 18:02:55   #
Bad Bob wrote:
What is the complete quote?


Here is the pdf link

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:5ba09715-9be9-4d1d-a538-92ffe4b16e52
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Dec 14, 2023 17:57:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can vote in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
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Honest question,
Which political man would you trust?
Which modern day president has not been found corrupted, morality in the ditch.
Kennedy had affairs among other findings (compared to today's democrats, Kennedy would be considered a compromising right wing extremist)
Nixon had Watergate
Clinton had affairs and a dozen other corruption events
Bushes, corrupt wars and much more corruption (globalists)
Obama, $ 400,000 per year, owned no large money making businesses, but has hundreds of millions in waterfront homes....we know he took or was paid untold millions, suspiciously for policies/agenda.
Trump, he has pulled some corrupt dozies with his businesses, some executed by his Vp's or managers but if he didn't know, he should have (the buck stops here. Stormy Daniel's, yep that was a bad one. However 12 women claimed sexual abuse/rape but then discovered their mortgages paid off, and/or recieved tens/hundred thousand plus to make false claims (what's true??) Biden, there is evidence (no conviction) like Trump of massive corruption.
To make my point, anyone chosen or voted for in congress/senate/presidential is or will be corrupt, there may be someone 100% clean background, cannot be corrupted, but then they are not running for office.
What's our choice? When the time comes to vote, it's not the voter in most cases being immoral with their voting choice, it is the voter choosing which immoral corrupt one will (hopefully) make choices that are in Americans best interest, will follow through with some or most policies they campaigned on.
Trump had policies I despised, don't personally care for him, do like over a hundred good polices....he wasn't a dictator, depending on party, seems the only answer is, the lessor of the evils in the world we live in.
I'll end this reply with, our leaders over the last 60-80 years, mostly the last , since Bush senior have driven America over a cliff and regardless whom takes office, cannot reverse the slow collapse to what I believe will become a fast collapse.
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Dec 14, 2023 14:20:12   #
Haski123 wrote:
Ditto:
Trump was not found guilty of J6 yet, but, 1000’s of his followers were charged and 100’s convicted for J6.
Trump is convicted of fraud(Trump University scandal, & NY -summary conviction determining penalties), Trump convicted of defamation and sexual abuse-Jean Carroll. Trump has numerous indictments pending.
Your view that 144,000 hours of video vindicated Trump with J6 trial still pending and numerous J6 convictions to date-I would set your statement is premature and opinionated at best.
The 30-36 voting machine found hooked to modems was in Feb of 2020 , prior to election, officials were notified and most if not all were requested to be disconnected or election would not be certified. 35 is like one or two large cities-cities in question were audited or count verified to paper ballots-conspiracy theory. Dominion said they didn’t hook them up to units unless asked local governments to speed communications or results which was deemed inappropriate.
Mathematics shows irregularities, there are irregularities in ever election, but initial certification of process as sound, audits, recounts pre and post validation of results from machine counts to manual indicated NO FRAUD or IRREGULARITIES that would change 2020 election results.
After three plus years of no proof of election being stolen from Trump, Dominion reaching huge out of court settlement with Fox for defamation, numerous lawyers and Trump litigation pending you need to accept the facts Trump lost a legitimate certified election!
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144000 hours prove false convictions and majority arrested, never entered the capital.
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Dec 14, 2023 14:14:25   #
WEBCO wrote:
You keep talking about court cases for voter fraud in 2020 but fail to show any documentation or proof. So please prove your statement or quit spewing the lie, please.


Right, had there been an actual court case, evidence, trial, it would have been televised 24/7 weeks/months before the trial, during the trial, and ever since the trial.
Which media would be 24/7 covering the trial? Depends on what experts had predicted the outcome.
Had evidence been looked at as a winning outcome, Newsmax, OAN 24/7 or a loss CNN,MSN 24/7 but one-sided would be mostly silent, except to spin.
Just one problem, there were zero court cases.
Fact check, Mike Lindell a millionaire, but was dirt poor to be able to fight his case, he would have lost every cent, as the opposing party drained him.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:59:09   #
biffisbuff wrote:
I think the prices of gasoline is dependent on where you live...the comments I made in regards to Clinton is his agenda and tax/business was the last time that more cash came in to the Treasury then went out....so your a research hawk eh?... research your boy trump with what is true....he learned how to be like he is from Roger Cohen a mob attorney...you have tried to make the case of your hero is entirely going to bat for the good of the people....that is straight up b.s....its all about the ego of trump.... remember all those tariffs he put on Chinese goods?... didn't do nothing and actually caused farmers to not be able to get their soybeans to sell....and no body won . But all those electronics we were paying a few hundred dollars for decent flat screen TV.... almost overnight the price doubled....you want to cry about gas ?... maybe you have a gas hog,,idk....but this is certain ... climate change is real...there is not infinite amount of Petro in the ground and putting carbon up in the air at the same rate we have been is going to be more catastrophic than we have seen already....I believe science not a bunch of nay sayers that have no clue
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Your right, gas prices are dependent on geography. Such as California, Washington state, because of greedy taxes.

Farmers in America sold nearly 80% of soybeans to the highest bidder, China. As a result, America is/has running out of soybean oil. That flavored creamer Americans love so much taste different, because they had to use a vegetable oil instead of the original recipe calling for soybean oil.
Corn crops were down, but again China is filling their warehouses to the tops and Americans left with coming expanded Shortages.
To-date, our warehouses (food) are near empty.
Who negotiates the sell (price) of American agriculture/cattle to China? Our government and who is in charge of our government? The Biden Administration
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Dec 14, 2023 13:56:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing political fact checking. Facts are facts, alternate facts are lies,
With different groups checking most are consistent, they are all accurate ( unless their info the source is compromised). How many fact checker levels would make you believe?
They also state sources and how they get info, once they start making conclusions or interpretation they would then go beyond just facts.

Example: Trump told us Covid is under control only a few cases and it will go away. At same time he told Bob Woodward this is serious people can die. These two statements don’t match . Facts are he said opposite things to two groups at the same time. Both statements are factually made, one was a known lie at the time.
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Who told you fact checkers are reliable?
I'm shocked the NY times (left biased) wrote this.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/

And this

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/fact-check-fact-checkers-falsely-claim-they-are-fact-checkers

Another

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

I was being kind suggesting alternative news, these often bust fact checkers and as I stated, Mainstream media be it, left or right do lie and lie often, also state "fact checked" only later to learn, the fact check site they used, never actually fact checked but only did a cursory biased check.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:39:04   #
Haski123 wrote:
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding source for changes happening and what level is good or evil, what level is acceptable or not in a democratic republic and then what can be done to change to more positive flow is a tough question.
To put the burden on Government and Government leaders I don’t think is the entire answer. Ancient Rome tried to regulate morality it didn’t work then and trying to do that now I don’t feel will work either.
I don’t have the answer. I just try to listen, learn, research understand and lead and demonstrate my beliefs by my words and actions.
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America for the greater part used the ten commandments as a moral guide.
Fast forward today, the newer generation's, follow an individual moral standard, not a herd moral standard.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:35:06   #
JFlorio wrote:
it's a matter of percentages dumb a**. Republicans by a wide majority vote in person and Democrats by a wide majority vote early and by mail.


Vote early and by mail and OFTEN
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Dec 14, 2023 13:33:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
Additional response:
Your source Blaze is a far right ultra conservative bias and is an opinion article by one of Blaze writers.
That said I read it read both left and right media articles and some MSM sources and decide where truth credibility exists.



Watching Fox, OAN, NEWS MAX, then CNN, MSN, ABC,NBC,CBS and deciding the truth is kinda what I used to do, but extremely unreliable, because of personal bias.
Looking at alternative news that more often than not, reports on specific issues or events and often quotes from the horses mouth, (unedited) audio/video, government sites using statistics the mainstream media ignores to spin a (believable) narrative.
Example; economic, food Shortages, live farmers interviews about the tens of millions fowl/cattle/pigs culled for disease but never tested for disease and farmers paid over market prices, in the war (Biden Administration) against farmers/ranchers, in the name of green houses cases.
Not a peep in mainstream media, or at best a 20 second "Chickens found with bird flu culled for public safety" without conformation, investigation, just passing on what is written in their script.
You want facts, turn off propaganda TV news and begin finding alternative news.
FYI; Alternative news, does not equal conspiracy theories, but when put out in discussions, sure sounds like it, since mainstream has its own narratives and often the truth is just to unbelievable.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:18:09   #
martsiva wrote:
'Freedom and liberty loving Americans' is the last thing you want and prove it everyday with your socialist posts!! Freedom loving Americans get to keep their hard earned money and not be forced to give it to those who do not work!! Cheer on Putin? NO -cheer on not sending money to another country that we don`t have that you support!! YOU move since you are so unhappy with our Republic!! Move to communist China where you belong!!!



Had no money gone to Zelensky, Crimea goes to Russia and a peace deal agreement.
Biden pushed for war and declined every opportunities to make peace.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:14:55   #
keepuphope wrote:
I can't remember which president said If we do this for the blacks they will be voting Democrat for years to come. He was right, his actions did just that and devastated the black families totally. Same tactic for letting illegals in. They have a plan to warp speed their citizenship and guess what? My opinion. And if a couple thousand criminals come in and kill americans well that's the way it goes.


The same minds like that of activist Margaret Sanger, opened abortion clinics in black neighborhoods (none found in white populations) and quoted "for the removal of blacks " (paraphrased)
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