LOL - MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again" which actually implies that it's not "great" at the moment, hence the need to MAKE it great again and yet here you are calling it a reminder that is *IS* a great country. This just further emphasizes the point I'm making about Trump supporters struggling with language.

Of course, it's not a new term. Reagan also used the term, Make American Great Again, although to his credit he actually worked on doing just that. With Trump, it's just a slogan.

If we go back a little further Hitler also used a similar term... Make Germany Great Again. So it's literally a well-worn bit of sloganeering popular with fascists who want to convince people that things are bad now, but if you elect me, I will bring us back to our glory days.

Releasing an agency from it's obligation to the Constitution would require a paper trail of historic significance. Why don't you stop being such a drama-queen and just say what it is. You think the Biden Administration is violating the Constitution. This happens all the time, an administration will try something that might be constitutionally questionable and leave it up to the courts to decide. Sometimes, it's not even a question. Such as when Trump in 2017 tried to ban all Muslims from entering the country and the SCOTUS had to interfere stating very clearly that the ban violated the Constitution. And this was one of Trump's first actions.


So the conspiracy theory goes. Still waiting for evidence. BTW, in case you forgot, we're talking about how these agencies have (and are still) interfering with our elections. I'm noticing that you're getting pretty vague about what the agencies are doing here.

So... what you're saying here is that if evidence is not true (in which case it wouldn't be evidence) it would be delusional to ignore it. That is literally what you just wrote.


Such as what?


LOL - wow... First of all, PR stunts like pardoning a few black people for crimes committed isn't ENORMOUS evidence that he isn't racist. Secondly, whether or not Trump is racist or not, people are picking up on his dog whistles. We KNOW he isn't going to come out and say "Hi, I'm a racist!" But we have noticed a very obvious hesitancy to condemn the racist actions of others, such as at Charlottesville.

We also noticed his personal relationships with racists like David Duke who was the Grand Wizard of the Knights of the KKK. Trump even invited him to Mar a Lago. Any president in his right mind would have distanced himself from someone like David Duke, but Trump finds a way to excuse it.

Then there's all the endorsements that Trump gets from racist organizations.

We are also aware of his past history where in 1972 he and his father were prosecuted by the DOJ for discrimination against African Americans in their renting practices. He wasn't even running for office then, so you can't say it was a Democratic plan to "destroy" him.

There is also his appearance on the Howard Stern show in 2005 where he told Howard that in the next season of the Apprentice he was going to put a team of white people up against a team of black people, which actually shocked the shock-jock himself. BTW, the network wisely decided against it.

Then there is his idiot immigration comments like how we only want people from "nice countries like Denmark and Norway". One would have to be VERY oblivious to miss that dog whistle. Meanwhile, he has become infamous for describing immigrants at the southern border (who are mostly brown) as bad people.

So, before I make this response too long, I'm going to cut it here, even though it's only scratching the surface, and say this... No other president or candidate in living memory has done ANY of the things I just listed.

So let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Trump himself isn't racist... He is still, without a doubt, fostering relationships with racists and appealing to the racist voters out there. Maybe it because he knows that a huge part of his base is indeed racist.

Personally, I think it stands to reason that his history of Freudian slips, law suites, dog whistles and presidential actions, such as a banning ALL Muslims which the courts didn't allow, adds up to a deserved reputation as a racist.


All those little "misspeaks" add up, Sparky. Especially when they include executive orders that the Supreme Court had to step in to stop.


TDS was never a legal or academic term. The ONLY context in which it was ever used was in political rants. So there's no rule that says it can't be expanded to include the idolization of Trump by his groupie followers.


Except for one problem... the liberal attitude is based on facts, as is continuously proven by investigations and court decisions. That is why "delusion" is far more applicable to the the Trump supporters who depend entirely on unproven conspiracy theories and the stomping of their feet.

Nah, that side-stepping isn't working, Sparky.

One more chance... Can you explain - in your own words - how one single thing Trump did has helped the American middle-class in any significant way. It's a very simple question. Can you do it or not?

You make spelling mistakes all the time. I only point it out on occasion and when I do, it's to emphasize a person's relative command of language, or lack thereof, which probably says more about you than you think.

The main point here is that a person who struggles to write, probably struggles to read which presents the question, how much can a person know about complex issues crisscrossing politics if he struggles to read?

I don't even know you are as a person, so try not to take this personally. I am only using you as an example to emphasize a much larger pattern. We already know that Trump supporters tend to be less educated than his critics. I am actually suggesting that Trump supporters in general are less likely to understand the complexities of our reality, which would help explain how he has been able to play you for all these years.


Well, there's the literal interpretation, which I went with and there's the forgiving interpretation, where I could say... "Well, what he MEANT to say is..."

But that get's back to my point. If you struggle so much with language, how do you expect me to believe that you actually understand this complex world?

You already failed. I specifically asked you NOT to send me a long list. I said... "And please don't send me a long list of links... I'm not asking you to show me how many idiots are out there publishing nonsense."

I said that because this is what you twits always do. You can't actually explain a single accomplishment so instead you have some bookmark that you can click on to show a long, long list of Trump's "supposed accomplishments" that other people have written, hoping that the sheer volume of words is enough to settle the argument.

The reason why I asked for ONE is so I can read it and respond. Again, I'm not challenging the existence of massive volumes of BS. I'm challenging YOUR understanding of just one of Trump's supposed "accomplishments".

Do you want to give it another try? Or is this already too much of a challenge for you?

Another example of nothing. No data, no reference to anything he actually did while in office. You say we don't want to know the truth about Trump but the only thing we ever get from you is an endless parade of idiot memes that say Trump is some kind of superhero. This is WHY people like me develop this sense (wrong or right) that you're all morons.

How 'bout this... Why don't you tell me the "truth" about Trump? Show me one provable thing that he did to help the American middle class. And please don't send me a long list of links... I'm not asking you to show me how many idiots are out there publishing nonsense. I mean, YOU pick just ONE thing that Trump did and explain to me how that action warrants such admiration from you.

I'm listening.

You said "The FBI, CIA and others in the Alphabet Mafia under the DOJ have unquestionably interfered in Trump elections" Those are your words exactly. Most people would read that the same way I did. I think what happened is I caught you saying something stupid and now your backpedaling.

...and it's excel, not "excell".

I dunno... Maybe you shouldn't have dropped out of school.


Weak.

Why do you people do that? All these false accusations and baseless assumptions about people just because you don't like their view. Mattoid has not actually stated that he supports the killing of Trump. Not once. I wrote a program to scan ALL the pages of a topic in about 6 seconds and I use it to scan for things people say and not ONE person stated they want to see Trump killed.

You're original post implies that Trump's critics want him killed. It would appear that is all your own fantasy. Is this your attempt to demonize them or maybe a feeble attempt to make Trump out to be some great threat to our culture?

Let me help you out here, Lily... None of us are all that worried about Trump. Trump is a moron. What we are worried about is the rise in bigotry and ignorance that Trump is tapping into because it leaves us open to future politicians that might actually be smart enough to leverage that and turn our country into the kind of fascist tyranny that no one really wants.

So if you can drop your idolization of Trump for just one moment you MIGHT give yourself a chance to put credit where credit is due. Trump doesn't scare us. YOU people do. Because if there is one lesson that Trump has taught us, it's that if Adolph Hitler ran for president in 2024, you would very likely vote for him.

Perhaps.

Well stated.

It's a shame that so many people completely loose their ability to be rational when it comes to politics because that's what allows TDS to happen. I have a friend that was getting so upset with me the other day because I didn't agree with his assertion that our population is declining, which is apparently a big deal among conservatives. I tried to explain that it's the growth rate that is declining, not the actual population. I even used analogies like how slowing down from 60 mph to 15 mph doesn't mean forward progress has stopped. In the end his daughter looked it up and shoved her phone in my face. "See, the population IS declining! You are WRONG!" I told her to look again and I asked her if the data was showing the population or the growth rate. Turns out it was the growth rate.

The problem is that they were SO committed to their side that they never really paid enough attention to the facts to realize they were wrong. It was far more urgent for them to immediately argue with the liberal in the room.

First of all, the CIA does not operate under the DOJ. Seriously, if you're going to make such strong accusations you should at least try to understand WTF you're talking about.


Again, that isn't the DOJ. The charges against Trump are coming from private individuals that don't even work for the government and from state governments that are not controlled by the DOJ.

These are very basic facts that when considered, really exposes you for the gullible conspiracy theorist that I think you are.


Well, the FBI and the CIA ARE legitimate agencies, Sparky.


I don't know either - I turn you out for the fool that you are every single time.

No one is mocking anything real. You think the Bible is the "Word of the Lord" because that is the one mythology out of hundreds throughout the ages that YOU decided to believe and your too arrogant to consider for a moment that you might be wrong.

Sorry but this is how it looks to people like me who listen to Christians swearing by THEIR book and Muslims swearing by THEIR book and both groups hissing at each other about which book is right. I keep imagining God just rolling His eyes.

Then I wonder why it is that the most judgmental people I know are people who put stock in the Bible, a book that tries to predict what is unknown (so a foolish book according to your own "logic")

Then there's the foolishness of assuming that one cannot believe in God without buying into the BS that is the Bible. God is far too big to be defined, constrained and owned by you tiny little people with your tiny little books.

I get the feeling that any list of people you don't like will be my good company.