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May 23, 2015 07:07:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
L8erToots wrote:
Not since Islam moved in


Not relevant. Canada is also I believe. Great healthcare system there too.

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May 23, 2015 08:16:01   #
payne1000
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I accuse you of periphrasis.

Can you make your "beliefs" more succinct?

Because I can destroy every single one of your statements---not by showing the belief itself is wrong, but by showing how incomplete and superficial your statements are.

And besides, you seem more intent on degrading Conservatism than showing Liberalism in a positive light.

Try again.


Better still, why not take the liberal statements Kevyn posted and show how conservatives differ on each issue.

Here's the list again. Have fun and please be honest.

I believe in science
I believe corporations are businesses, not people
I believe in equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation
I believe that 47% of Americans aren’t looking for a government handout
I believe in climate change, not that God has decided to use weather to “punish sin”
I believe we must learn from history, not repeat it
I believe women deserve the same rights as men
I believe our sexual orientation is something we’re born with, not something we choose
I believe immigration is what has made this country great, not what will bring it down
I believe freedom for all means freedom for all
I believe we have the right to own guns, but our Second Amendment says “well regulated” for a reason
I believe in a living wage I believe you don’t create wealth by giving rich people more money
I believe welfare helps the poor, it doesn’t punish the rich
I believe health care is a right, not something for only those who can afford it
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body
I believe a country is judged based on how they treat their poor, not their rich I believe there needs to be an economic threshold which we don’t let Americans fall below
I believe we are not “entitled” to Social Security and Medicare, we paid into these programs–we earn these benefits
I believe while we are all born in the same country, we are not all created equal, some people do need help
I believe investing in education is more important than investing in bombs
I believe nation building here is more important than the Middle East
I believe rape—is rape
I believe demand creates jobs, not tax cuts
I believe in those “union thugs” like teachers, fire fighters and police officers
I believe we support our military by not cutting VA benefits and only sending our troops off to war when there are no other options
I believe we all have the right to follow whichever religion we want, or no religion at all, and our government should represent no singular set of religious beliefs
I believe our Constitution doesn’t only protect the rights for which I agree, that it sometimes protects rights I disagree with
I believe that being unemployed doesn’t mean you’re lazy, and most individuals who don’t have a job—want one
I believe in an United States for the people, by the people, means we protect the people–we don’t leave them to suffer if they hit hard times
I believe we should protect the weakest among us first, not the richest
I believe we shouldn’t go broke trying to live healthier and longer
I believe we should put people before profits

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May 23, 2015 08:27:44   #
payne1000
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
The original definition of Liberal has morphed into Socialism.


Isn't it interesting that the only Socialist in Congress is the only congressman who consistently supports the working class in America.

He was also the Senator who was most responsible for the Federal Reserve being audited for the first time. The audit revealed the Fed had secretly loaned out $16 trillion during the bank bailouts and a lot of it went to foreign banks. http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

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May 23, 2015 08:37:06   #
Kevyn
 
Geezer1948 wrote:
My daughters both worked full-time professional jobs with their kids (2 each) in daycare, and both are still staunchly conservative.
They have been very well brainwashed then.

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May 23, 2015 09:36:55   #
Glaucon
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
You deflected with your 'meat and vegetables' remark. I was giving an analogy to your inanity.
non compos mentis

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May 23, 2015 10:34:40   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Kevyn wrote:
They have been very well brainwashed then.



I think you mean very well educated don't you?

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May 23, 2015 10:53:08   #
Glaucon
 
bylm1 wrote:
I think you mean very well educated don't you?
Depends on how well you have been brainwashed. Educated and brainwashed are opposites, antonyms. Educated people know the difference.

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May 23, 2015 11:08:41   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Glaucon wrote:
Depends on how well you have been brainwashed. Educated and brainwashed are opposites, antonyms. Educated people know the difference.



Then why didn't you use the correct term?

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May 23, 2015 11:30:20   #
Glaucon
 
bylm1 wrote:
Then why didn't you use the correct term?
You still don't get it. It is obvious that you are not presently in the process of learning and educating that intelligent people do all their lives. It is never too late to begin to think and be intellectually curious. Get on board. Thinking can be very rewarding. Try it.

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May 23, 2015 12:28:20   #
CarolSeer2016
 
payne1000 wrote:
Better still, why not take the liberal statements Kevyn posted and show how conservatives differ on each issue.

Here's the list again. Have fun and please be honest.

I believe in science
I believe corporations are businesses, not people
I believe in equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation
I believe that 47% of Americans aren’t looking for a government handout
I believe in climate change, not that God has decided to use weather to “punish sin”
I believe we must learn from history, not repeat it
I believe women deserve the same rights as men
I believe our sexual orientation is something we’re born with, not something we choose
I believe immigration is what has made this country great, not what will bring it down
I believe freedom for all means freedom for all
I believe we have the right to own guns, but our Second Amendment says “well regulated” for a reason
I believe in a living wage I believe you don’t create wealth by giving rich people more money
I believe welfare helps the poor, it doesn’t punish the rich
I believe health care is a right, not something for only those who can afford it
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body
I believe a country is judged based on how they treat their poor, not their rich I believe there needs to be an economic threshold which we don’t let Americans fall below
I believe we are not “entitled” to Social Security and Medicare, we paid into these programs–we earn these benefits
I believe while we are all born in the same country, we are not all created equal, some people do need help
I believe investing in education is more important than investing in bombs
I believe nation building here is more important than the Middle East
I believe rape—is rape
I believe demand creates jobs, not tax cuts
I believe in those “union thugs” like teachers, fire fighters and police officers
I believe we support our military by not cutting VA benefits and only sending our troops off to war when there are no other options
I believe we all have the right to follow whichever religion we want, or no religion at all, and our government should represent no singular set of religious beliefs
I believe our Constitution doesn’t only protect the rights for which I agree, that it sometimes protects rights I disagree with
I believe that being unemployed doesn’t mean you’re lazy, and most individuals who don’t have a job—want one
I believe in an United States for the people, by the people, means we protect the people–we don’t leave them to suffer if they hit hard times
I believe we should protect the weakest among us first, not the richest
I believe we shouldn’t go broke trying to live healthier and longer
I believe we should put people before profits
Better still, why not take the liberal statements ... (show quote)


I will just take your first statement---"I believe in science".

Gosh, I believe in science, too.

And I can take all of your statements apart for their incompleteness and superficiality. But I don't have the time.

See my new comment on this thread.

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May 23, 2015 12:37:42   #
CarolSeer2016
 
I'm not getting through to the Libs. I want to know your PRINCIPLES, your CONVICTIONS: What it is you would never sell out, no matter what.

For instance:

You sold out the LIVES OF UNBORN CHILDREN, so women can have as much sex as they want, whenever they want;

You sold out REASON, in order to crucify industry and commerce, and thus the world has the non-existent anthropogenic global warming scare;

You sold out the POOR, when you continued to insist on giving them money and stuff, at the expense of their pride and their heart;

You sold out FREE SPEECH when you blamed a video for Benghazi;

You sold out ISRAEL, not to mention THE WORLD, when you defaulted on America's leadership role;

You sold out a VIGOROUS FUTURE, when you failed to see the consequences of government-sanctioned gay marriage;

You sold out AMERICA, when you tried to shame the American public;

AND YOU SOLD OUT THE TRUTH, when you elected Barack Obama.

So, now let me ask you, is there nothing you would stand for, and remain standing for, in the face of unrelenting pressure?

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May 23, 2015 12:40:05   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Glaucon wrote:
You still don't get it. It is obvious that you are not presently in the process of learning and educating that intelligent people do all their lives. It is never too late to begin to think and be intellectually curious. Get on board. Thinking can be very rewarding. Try it.


GET THIS, GLAUCON:

Forewarned is forearmed---I'm unleashing my arsenal of feminine wiles, but not for the purpose which you might want to imagine.

When you least expect it.....EXPECT IT!

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May 23, 2015 12:42:16   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Workinman wrote:
Sorry I don't think so.


glaucon is a psychologist, workinman. He ALWAYS knows!

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May 23, 2015 12:42:24   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
L8erToots wrote:
Not since Islam moved in


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 23, 2015 12:44:01   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
That makes no sense....the happiest citizens in the world are in socialized countries...there goes that theory


Who told you that? Who's your source?

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