ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps

I can only change your ending words to read..... "The later you start teaching children the truth of life, the worse they turn out in the end".. One has only to read some of our liberal twits postings and it quickly becomes self evident.

PeterS

I was raised in a Christian conservative household and even my saint of a grandmother referred to blacks as niggers. My journey to liberalism was a long one and one I am not entirely proud of. What I am proud of though is that words such as nigger were never uttered in my household and my son's first prom date was black. We don't have to follow in the footsteps of our parents when those footsteps are wrong. I was lucky enough to receive a liberal college education which laid the foundation for who I am today. The sad thing is such an education will be a luxury in the future so children of conservatives will have less of a chance to find truth then those of us in the past.

Nickolai

That's what I always suspected with al all those red states where little girls start out in life having having sex with their brothers, uncles, dadies and gram pas and then marrying their cousins

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You have been reading too much Steven King and listening to Harry Reid. :lol: :lol: :lol:

KHH1

My parents never referred to white people in derogatory manner even though they had every reason to...based on the times when they grew up...they were more concerned with a functional household full of scholarly kids who were able to be self-sufficient after 18 and never have to come back to live or ask for assistance.....I grew up in a really no-nonsense house...not that loud music hollering modern day bullshit...to this day I do not like loud people...because they are ignorant....my Dad especially detested ignorance...especially from his kids..........

robmull Loc: florida

"Liberals, pigeons and chess." And you probably don't understand that, pain1000, so to get into conservatism is just a waste of my time.

payne1000

Let me repeat what Kevyn posted as liberal ideas:

I believe in science
I believe corporations are businesses, not people
I believe in equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation
I believe that 47% of Americans aren’t looking for a government handout
I believe in climate change, not that God has decided to use weather to “punish sin”
I believe we must learn from history, not repeat it
I believe women deserve the same rights as men
I believe our sexual orientation is something we’re born with, not something we choose
I believe immigration is what has made this country great, not what will bring it down
I believe freedom for all means freedom for all
I believe we have the right to own guns, but our Second Amendment says “well regulated” for a reason
I believe in a living wage I believe you don’t create wealth by giving rich people more money
I believe welfare helps the poor, it doesn’t punish the rich
I believe health care is a right, not something for only those who can afford it
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body
I believe a country is judged based on how they treat their poor, not their rich I believe there needs to be an economic threshold which we don’t let Americans fall below
I believe we are not “entitled” to Social Security and Medicare, we paid into these programs–we earn these benefits
I believe while we are all born in the same country, we are not all created equal, some people do need help
I believe investing in education is more important than investing in bombs
I believe nation building here is more important than the Middle East
I believe rape—is rape
I believe demand creates jobs, not tax cuts
I believe in those “union thugs” like teachers, fire fighters and police officers
I believe we support our military by not cutting VA benefits and only sending our troops off to war when there are no other options
I believe we all have the right to follow whichever religion we want, or no religion at all, and our government should represent no singular set of religious beliefs
I believe our Constitution doesn’t only protect the rights for which I agree, that it sometimes protects rights I disagree with
I believe that being unemployed doesn’t mean you’re lazy, and most individuals who don’t have a job—want one
I believe in an United States for the people, by the people, means we protect the people–we don’t leave them to suffer if they hit hard times
I believe we should protect the weakest among us first, not the richest
I believe we shouldn’t go broke trying to live healthier and longer
I believe we should put people before profits

Can you explain to readers why any of these ideas are wrong?

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I've often thought the same. Kevyn's list was very nice and specific, and I also think something deeper is going on. Liberalism is at the heart of the American experiment and was the basis of its founding. It was a revolution, after all. What that revolution unleashed cannot be contained and is on-going. Liberals (as though there really is such a monolithic group) are as American as apple pie and hot dogs. We are the forces unleashed by the founders.

Conservatives just can't seem to keep up with the times and seem to long to return to mis-remembered 'good old days'. They usually forget that those good old days were also as suffused with good and evil as our own times.

Conservatives seem to think that there once was an ideal America. Liberal think that is a work in progress.

Why else would the founders have given the American people the gift of governing themselves? They knew it was revolutionary.

Glaucon

Congratulations Carol, Your brought out a big bunch of crazies with this topic.

However, the topic is like asking people about plogglies. We either don't know what the word means or we have different meanings for the word.

Please define the word, liberal for Us. I have noticed that every head case who uses and abuses the word seems to have a different definition of the word. What is your definition? AND BE HONEST, PLEASE.

Spankem Loc: NJ

I suggest you (people in general) look up the words in the dictionary, I did and the definition of Liberal & conservative was as I expected, neither was negative. I have long thought of myself as both liberal & conservative and I suspect most of us are some of both.
I believe too many people relate liberal and conservative to democrats & republicans as if there is a real difference between the 2 parties.
The general thinking seems to me, to be that they are ideologically and politically opposite in goals and methods at least according to what they say, and a fair portion of the public's opinion. I believe that's a far stretch to the reality.
I fail to see any significant difference between these 2 parties, they both lie like the devil, are more self serving than they should be as self claimed "public servants" and they both stink worse than shit. Look at the results.
Just look at our current political climate and the continuing infringement in our lives by our government that doesn't really benefit we the people, the ones they are supposed to be serving.
Just look at the evidence, the history and outcome of the past 50 years.

Glaucon

You offer an intelligent, well expressed opinion that will be automatically rejected by the Authoritarians followers.

We are all a mixture of liberal and conservative at that makes our nation strong. However, anyone who says he is only conservative or only liberal is a nut job and should be ignored or hospitalized. They are either ignorant or nuts.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Great confusion seems to be prevalent amongst folks, regarding what ( or who ) is a "liberal" and what is a "conservative". The definitions have changed over the years and history has even been rewritten to accommodate those changes. For politicians, the motivation for the changes are clear; the need to be "different" from one's opponent.

Originally, conservatives wanted things to stay the same, for government to run as it always had. Liberals wanted government reformed, increasing individual rights and promoting democratic principles ( NOT to be confused with the party of the same name ). Those roles have almost been reversed now, where conservatives want government reformed, to make it like it used to be and liberals want things to stay pretty much the same.

Todays definitions, seem to be that conservatives want things to go back to the way things used to be, that they believe the changes of the last 50 years gave away too much. Todays liberals, seem to believe that things haven't changed enough, that more work is needed to reform government to include more folks. In most cases of folks beliefs, the actual ideology is hard to pin down, making self identification as liberal or conservative pretty cloudy.

For most here, the identification is applied by others, where, if one is disagreed with, the "other" is of the opposite bent. Even though liberal, conservative and moderate politicians all say they want the same things for the country, their methodology of achieving those things varies widely. For the most part, anything to do with increasing "stuff" for people, is considered "liberal" and anything increasing "stuff" for business is considered "conservative" - as defined by OTHERS, not the individuals themselves.

One of our biggest problems stems from the tendency to define others by how closely they agree with our own philosophies, despite what the actual definitions are. In other words, no matter what their self professed ideology is, if they disagree with our own ideology in any manner, they are of the OTHER ideology.

We are obsessed with differences instead of similarities, so by identifying others arbitrarily, we ensure that we'll NOT seek cooperation with them - because they are OTHER. Few conservatives would willingly let someone starve to death, yet resist efforts to ensure that they don't, because those are LIBERAL philosophies, at least, by their personal definition. Liberals would not willingly tolerate greater government intrusions or restrictions of individual rights, yet resist efforts to limit government and restrict it's functions, because those are CONSERVATIVE philosophies, at least, by their personal definitions.

We are doing great harm to ourselves, by placing far too much value on LABELS and their attendant misconceptions, rather than focusing on the needs of the individual, the agreement amongst ALL ideologies of what those needs are and seeking a consensus of ideas on how to achieve meeting those needs. Cooperation is NOT a traitorous word, it's a life saving word - if we'd only reach out and grab it.

payne1000

Since SCOTUS passed Citizens United ruling which gave corporations the same rights as people as far as campaign funding is concerned, both parties' candidates are now elected by Wall Street. That's why both parties support the same policies. That's the main reason why those of us who don't own corporations have no representation on Capitol Hill.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Exactly! Which is why it's hard to believe ANY politician, when they say they want this or that for "ordinary" Americans - because it doesn't jive with what the bankers want.

There are exceptions; such as Bank of America wants food stamps INCREASED - because they make a lot of money administering the food stamp cards.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Conservatives are mixed up or at least a large number of them are. Conservatism is about the constitution, not religious beliefs. Conservatism is about doing your best for yourself AND others/our country.

Today,s vocal conservatives act like one must be a bible banging, gun toting rednck, full of tough talk and chest thumping; all brag and not much substance.

Those who think they are ultra-conservative and define liberal ideology across so many realms of human activity, are messed up folks.