J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

I guess Lincoln, Franklin, Jefferson were all proto-commies then.
The root of the problem is criminally usurious monetary-policy. The more enlightened and courageous among our founders understood this, so did the people. But now we seem to have forgotten.
Anything you don't understand is communism to you, I guess. What makes you think we can have a free-market with today's archaic monetary-system? You call that free?

SeniorVerdad

[quote=eagleye13]old geezer;
I don't think you understand who I blame, and how America got where it is. Our government got to where it is by covert planning and manipulation:

Party politics: “The Fix” is in
(written in 1992; GHW Bush was running for a second term against Bill Clinton updated in 2012)
The majority of Americans are disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what is happening in America. The frustration is spreading, and yet, Americans are again falling for “The Fix”. It is obvious something has to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters fall for “The Fix”. They either don’t vote out of disgust; or they vote for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome has put America where it is today, and evil continues to prosper. Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (covert global socialists/NeoCONS? - Bush and his “New World Order” is one example). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), is being decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, is being replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. Thve voters are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your vote); now the scam was to convince the voters “who is the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone the Bankers knew they could control, to ensure that their agenda was carried out.). That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from; I quote -
TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )

In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”[/quote

Well "Eagle eye," at least someone has the proper view and perspective(pun intended) as to who is really calling the shots politically and economically.

1OldGeezer

[quote=SeniorVerdad][quote=eagleye13]old geezer;
I don't think you understand who I blame, and how America got where it is. Our government got to where it is by covert planning and manipulation:

Party politics: “The Fix” is in
(written in 1992; GHW Bush was running for a second term against Bill Clinton updated in 2012)
The majority of Americans are disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what is happening in America. The frustration is spreading, and yet, Americans are again falling for “The Fix”. It is obvious something has to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters fall for “The Fix”. They either don’t vote out of disgust; or they vote for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome has put America where it is today, and evil continues to prosper. Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (covert global socialists/NeoCONS? - Bush and his “New World Order” is one example). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), is being decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, is being replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. Thve voters are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your vote); now the scam was to convince the voters “who is the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone the Bankers knew they could control, to ensure that their agenda was carried out.). That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from; I quote -
TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )

In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”[/quote

Well "Eagle eye," at least someone has the proper view and perspective(pun intended) as to who is really calling the shots politically and economically.[/quote]

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SeniorVerdad,

You have it right, this change has been orchestrated over a long period of our history and it is directed to establishing a world government controlled by the moneyed, the Fed being a part of that. Before a world order could happen the United States free society had to be subjugated, that is happening now.

Now, step back, and see how the Fed depends on the GOVERNMENT to overspend in order to create the need for the Fed's loans and then the GOVERNMENT approves the "loan" from the Fed. The National debt is not a Government debt, it is YOUR (and my) debt brought on by an expanding vote buying GOVERNMENT. Obama is a master at that, the national debt has doubled under his administration's policies.

We need to take back our government by electing people who believe in a balanced budget and responsible fiscal policies so we (the United States) can control our own destiny.

The FED has only the power our GOVERNMENT gives it by DELIBERATE overspending, creating the need for "loans".

1oldgeezer

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

I can see you are bent on believing the government has all the power in all things. But where the monetary-system is concerned, they ceded their authority to the private bankers. At this point the banks are just as powerful as any government, for they control the creation of currency and credit, which makes them all too-powerful, and if that is not clear to you by now you are merely refusing to see it. The "loans" come from the Fed; we are in debt for something we have the sovereign right to create ourselves. We must reclaim that right, but not until we have cleaned out those in government who are complicit in the scheme. Surely you can understand that it is not government alone that has created this situation, but also the private international bankers who have always worked to infiltrate and control our nation's monetary-policy. They succeeded, officially, by 1913,with the help of a duplicitous president who's campaign was funded by private bankers.

1OldGeezer

J Anthony,

They didn't "cede" the power to business, they SOLD it to enrich themselves, and are still selling it to enrich themselves.
(The power they "ceded"...was that the power to write tax laws and regulations, and give grants, that businesses don't have?)

It seems we are both saying the same thing, except you seem to have the cart before the horse. Businesses don't write laws or regulations which create the debt and the conditions for the need of the "loans". (They pay corrupt politicians who have that power to do that.)

I'm not saying businesses are not complicit in the problems, they certainly are but are one step down the tier from where the real power is if you want to stop the process.

Your post said: "We must reclaim that right, but not until we have cleaned out those in government who are complicit in the scheme."....you are right, that would be an essential first step. BUT..you seem to be relying on honest politicians replacing those you "clean out", this is not realistic.

Have you considered that the only realistic way to stop the selling of political power is to take that power away from the Federal government politicians so they don't have a lot to sell? (Hard to do but much more possible that making all politicians honest). Go back to our founding document, the constitution, reserve the power to the citizens and the states as prescribed by that document.

Work for a balanced budget and reasonable spending, that should take care of the FED reserve problem when we start spending only what we take in (no loans needed).

1oldgeezer

SeniorVerdad

Next step will be a huge catastrophe(like the abandonment of the dollar) which could cause widespread panic and the need for marshall law(which is what some folks want anyway) to keep order. Orwell just had is date off a bit, not the scenario.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

The power our government ceded to the private banks was the power to create and issue the currency. This is the root of our fiscal instability. If we had paid more attention to Franklin, Jefferson, Jackson, and Lincoln, who challenged the usurious private central-banking system until they were either defeated or assassinated, we might not be in this mess. Our government has the constitutional right to create and issue the nation's currency, debt-free, as they see fit. This authority was officially ceded in 1913. With the exception of coins, which is but one/one-thousandth of the money-supply, the government does not create money. The privately-owned Fed does, then "loans" it to us, at interest. 3% of the money-supply are dollar-bills(Federal Reserve notes). The other 97% exists as data on computer screens.
What's not realistic is going into debt for something we have the sovereign right to create ourselves. Of course too few understand this, as the citizenry has been conditioned to this system for a century now. Time to wake up. I'm all for reasonable spending, a balanced budget,etc.,who isn't? But it will not happen until we have a sound monetary-system.

1OldGeezer

SeniorVerdad,

There are people at the top, and on the international scene, who are working hard to cause exactly what you say above. We need to do what we can to resist this.

1oldgeezer

SeniorVerdad

Find yourself a cabin way in the woods somewhere and stock up on freeze-dried food like military MRE's. People will be shipped off to FEMA internment camps.

1OldGeezer

SeniorVerdad,

It is a very sobering thought to finally come to realize that this COULD actually happen here in America.
The FED is the tool that has the power to make it happen on cue, whenever the "powers" feel the time is right. All the FED has to do is start raising the prime rate slowly, just as they did to precipitate the housing "great recession" crisis just as Obama was coming in.

I'm sold on the fact that the stage is being set, but the control apparatus needed for the government to take control may not be completely in place yet.

1oldgeezer

SeniorVerdad

You are so right but it IS getting pretty close! Now to sell this to the naysayers and the anti-conspiracy theory folks. Many don't believe and DON'T want to believe this scenario could happen in the US.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Yes, we are both essentially accurate in pinpointing the problem, and I'm all for adhering to the Constitution, especially where monetary policy is concerned. Yes, we need to take the power away from those who have willingly sold the country out, and continue to do so. The "how" of it is another question, so let's get to it.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

jmho:
So you admitted to being an agnostic, which according to you, makes you non-jewish.
How about Edomite lineage? Yah has His way of identifying everything.
Have you had a nose job?
Do you need one?
You must have been at the end of the line when brains were being assigned:-)