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May 5, 2015 21:41:11   #
KHH1
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I certainly don't ever see him trying to build anybody up except himself while he's breaking his arm patting himself on the back.


so should I just acquiese to being the criminal, destitute, welfare fraud lowlife that american anus and vee/pee hole refer to me as?

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May 5, 2015 21:42:40   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
KHH1 wrote:
awww what's the matter? you need crude ghetto/trailer park language so you will have something to criticize? there is no pleasing you people...not like anyone is trying to....haha.


Do you know what the word edify means. You used it so condescendingly in your "eloquent" sentence.

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May 5, 2015 21:44:43   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
KHH1 wrote:
If I were white you would call it confidence and self-esteem....you know, the old katrina, "we collect", "they loot" when things are exactly the same........


Don't project your feelings on to me. I feel the same about any arrogant boor.

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May 5, 2015 21:45:37   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
KHH1 wrote:
so should I just acquiese to being the criminal, destitute, welfare fraud lowlife that american anus and vee/pee hole refer to me as?


You were just bragging on how you edify people.

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May 5, 2015 22:16:18   #
KHH1
 
mwdegutis wrote:
You were just bragging on how you edify people.


so me responding to a comment that was critical of my grammatical and writing skills is bragging? okay...so be it......

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May 5, 2015 22:19:37   #
KHH1
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Don't project your feelings on to me. I feel the same about any arrogant boor.


This is not about feelings..it is about astute observations.......and i guess since I am not the black you all describe with my pants hanging off my azz, stealing, making babies and living off YOUR taxes with welfare I am arrogant...well i know the only satisfactory black is like those yes-men little obedient boys you all pay handsomely to place a black face on white racist thought....with that said, i guess i'll never make the cut.........

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May 6, 2015 07:25:31   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
KHH1 wrote:
This is not about feelings..it is about astute observations.......and i guess since I am not the black you all describe with my pants hanging off my azz, stealing, making babies and living off YOUR taxes with welfare I am arrogant...well i know the only satisfactory black is like those yes-men little obedient boys you all pay handsomely to place a black face on white racist thought....with that said, i guess i'll never make the cut.........


I'll kindly ask you again to quit stereotyping me -- "...and i guess since I am not the black you all describe with my pants hanging off my azz..." and " like those yes-men little obedient boys you all pay handsomely..." I haven't done it you. The observations I've made are about YOU, not blacks as stereotypes.

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May 6, 2015 07:37:03   #
1OldGeezer
 
KHH1 wrote:
Attack in Garland is an assault on free speech

By Washington Examiner | May 5, 2015 | 5:00 am
Let there be no confusion: The First Amendment exists precisely to protect speech offensive...
On Sunday night, two Islamic fanatics were killed right as they began their attack in Garland, Texas. They failed to kill anyone in their assault against a gathering of the American Freedom Defense Initiative which had been advertised as a contest to draw cartoons of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam.
Some have recognized the attack as an assault on the freedom of speech — the sort of attack that has inspired groups like AFDI to wage public campaigns against the Islamic faith. Others have denounced AFDI as a hate group that routinely demonizes Muslims and in this case tried to provoke them.

Perhaps everyone is at least partly right — but that doesn't mean everyone is morally equal.

In the late 1980s, a U.S. government grant for artist Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ" showed the lengths to which some bureaucrats and artistic elites will go in order to offend religious sensibilities. At the time, those Christians who objected were given high-handed lectures about how, in a pluralistic society where freedom of speech is paramount, they must tolerate (and perhaps even fund) provocations against their religion.
Likewise, the event in Garland was surely provocative, even if it wasn't government-funded. Islamic tradition prohibits the depiction of sentient beings, but depictions of Mohammed are considered especially sacrilegious — the rough equivalent of the desecration of Christian images or relics.

But as provocative as a Mohammed-drawing contest may be, what about all of those lectures from the times of "Piss Christ?" Do those no longer apply now, when free speech offends a group less distasteful to the cultural elite? Are offenses against Christian sensibilities the only ones permitted by the First Amendment?

And will the lecturers maintain their silence if other events that represent potential provocations to some Muslims — say, gay-pride parades — begin to inspire attacks as well?

Let there be no confusion: The First Amendment exists precisely to protect speech offensive enough to motivate a coercive response. To say otherwise is to defeat its purpose. If no one expressed themselves in ways that made others uncomfortable, there would be no need for the Constitution's near-absolute prohibition on laws about what people can and cannot say. This is why the Garland group's provocation is an insignificant matter compared to the lack of restraint shown by the two deceased malefactors. The worst possible response to this attack is to say that those who staged the Garland event are cranks who hold offensive opinions, and therefore somehow their rights are less equal than those of other Americans.

Neither compassion nor toleration permits the drawing of any moral equivalency between provocative speech and violence.

Most Americans learn at a young age that they have no business using violence or threats to force others to conform to or even respect their own religious beliefs. The future must not belong to those unwilling to absorb that very basic lesson of good citizenship.
Attack in Garland is an assault on free speech br ... (show quote)


KHH1,

Good Post. The contest was more than just an exercise in free speech, it was a purposeful challenge to those radical extremist who are telling free Americans that they should be submissive and obey the Islam religion under threat of death. As it turned out, it was a resounding "NO" punctuated with two less jihadist whose mission is to murder infidels (anyone not a Muslim).

I reserve the right to say whatever I wish (speech that is legal by US law) and you have the right to ignore me. You don't have the right to practice Sharia law here in the US (yet?) and kill me for saying something that displeases you.

The Texas incident brings this "conflict of laws" out in the open, this is useful if we hope to keep our freedoms, both religious and personal.

GOOD POST!

1oldgeezer

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May 6, 2015 07:55:09   #
1OldGeezer
 
KHH1 wrote:
Attack in Garland is an assault on free speech

By Washington Examiner | May 5, 2015 | 5:00 am
Let there be no confusion: The First Amendment exists precisely to protect speech offensive...
On Sunday night, two Islamic fanatics were killed right as they began their attack in Garland, Texas. They failed to kill.... ....

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KHH1,

A little comment on the title of your post:

"All Speech Has Consequences-Just because You Are Free To Say Something, Should You?"

I would add that the lack of FREE speech has even greater consequences.

Any reasonable person understands that what I say does not change you or make you anything you weren't already. What you are is only defined by what YOU say or do.

Ignoring anything I say of a personal nature (having confidence in your own character) causes my comment to be of little consequence.. That would seem to be a better approach than trying to kill me. Just sayin'..

1oldgeezer

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May 6, 2015 08:24:25   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
mwdegutis wrote:
These were you're EXACT words you lying liar (my emphasis):

"That is what free speech means. The protection is in place for people who say unpopular words not for people who go along with the crowd."







Liberal progressives, pigeons and chess, mwdegutis, is all you have to remember when you try to argue with useful idiots about ANYTHING. Pigeons and chess.

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May 6, 2015 08:54:17   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
jelun wrote:
Awwww, poor babies.
Too freaking ignorant to learn what a hate crime consists of.


Just because most Americans at least claim to be Christians apparently makes it open season on those who believe. That Christians can be fired or fined, or sometimes even arrested for saying that God says that homosexual activity is a sin, means that the moronic concept of hate speech can be used against the majority if the minority has the power and finances behind it. The only form of hate speech that is valid, in my opinion, is if I tell you I hate you, know where you live and intend to kill you, that is a threat and a valid definition of hate speech. The rest of the nonsense is just controlling speech so that you can control thought toward your goal of a socialist utopia. That is an impossibility unless you lobotomize most people to bring them down to the level of ants, or robots. That is, and always has been the Marxist-Socialist goal.

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May 6, 2015 09:16:19   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
robmull wrote:
Liberal progressives, pigeons and chess, mwdegutis, is all you have to remember when you try to argue with useful idiots about ANYTHING. Pigeons and chess.


Yeah…Debating liberal progressives is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board then struts around like it won the game.

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May 6, 2015 09:21:56   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
jelun wrote:
I am just waiting to see how many of the "how dare anyone stomp on MY flag?" crowd say this sort of free speech is just fine.



Let me get this straight. You are waiting to see how many of the "how dare anyone stomp on MY flag?" crowd say the quoted piece in the Washington Examiner is just fine? Are you affirming that the Christians who objected to the "P--- Christ" event several years ago did not have a right to object to that and the Muslims objecting to the Garland, TX, event did have a right to object? That "P--- Christ" thing was a few years ago so I may be a bit foggy but was there any shooting or violence connected with that? I detect some duplicity here but I'm not sure of where it is being assigned. I'm sure you will paint me as an obtuse old man but that's OK. I would just like to have you clarify what the gist is here other than a few liberals affirming each other's views. Thanks for your participation.

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May 6, 2015 12:09:37   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
jelun wrote:
They read what they would do.


I wonder with the exchange between you and KHH1! whose ego is going to fill up first. Since both are so huge it might take awhile. I live for the day to see what happens if and when one disagrees with the other.

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May 6, 2015 12:10:31   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
bylm1 wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are waiting to see how many of the "how dare anyone stomp on MY flag?" crowd say the quoted piece in the Washington Examiner is just fine? Are you affirming that the Christians who objected to the "P--- Christ" event several years ago did not have a right to object to that and the Muslims objecting to the Garland, TX, event did have a right to object? That "P--- Christ" thing was a few years ago so I may be a bit foggy but was there any shooting or violence connected with that? I detect some duplicity here but I'm not sure of where it is being assigned. I'm sure you will paint me as an obtuse old man but that's OK. I would just like to have you clarify what the gist is here other than a few liberals affirming each other's views. Thanks for your participation.
Let me get this straight. You are waiting to see ... (show quote)


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