Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

Bake me a cake, or go to jail!

Sadly, that is the new message from “inclusive” America. If you don’t want to cater, photograph, preside over, sell pizza at, sell flowers to or otherwise participate in a gay wedding, you will be punished. If you don’t want your business to pay for a kind of birth control that you consider murder, you will pay fines until your business is bankrupt.

Personally, I think both birth control and homosexuality are just fine, and gay marriage is as valid as straight marriage. But forcing everyone to act as if they think that way is just wrong. We have moved from “inclusion” to totalitarianism.

Personally, I think both birth control and homosexuality are just fine, and gay marriage is as valid as straight marriage. But forcing everyone to act as if they think that way is just wrong.

The list of people you must treat carefully keeps getting longer. Protected classes now include sex, race, age, disability, nationality, citizenship status, pregnancy, family status and more. I’m in two of those groups. You better treat me well!

Why force someone who disapproves of your actions to bake you a cake? Lots of other bakers would love the business. This debate has moved from inclusion to demanding that everyone adopt your values.

In a free country, bigots should have the right to be bigots. Americans should also have freedom of association.

American lawyers talk about special protection for religious freedom, and in the Hobby Lobby case the Supreme Court said you could escape onerous parts of ObamaCare by paying lawyers a fortune and convincing judges that you are a closely held corporation with religious objections. But why must you be religious to practice what you believe? This should be about individual freedom.

Of course, government must not discriminate. The worst of American racism and homophobia -- slavery, segregation enforced by Jim Crow laws, bans on interracial marriage, anti-sodomy laws, etc. -- was government-enforced discrimination. That was wrong, and it was right for the federal government to intervene.

But private actions are different. If I start a business with my own money, I ought to be allowed to serve only libertarians, people who wear blue shirts, whatever. It’s my business!

My customers have choices. If I am racist or anti-gay, the free market will punish me. Enough people would boycott my business that I would probably lose money quickly.

It would actually be useful to see which businesses refuse to serve one group or another.

Tolerance is revealed by how people behave when they are free. American law fosters the illusion that everyone is unbiased, while their real feelings remain hidden, making them harder to boycott, shame or debate.

Punishment from the market is enough. The heavy hand of law is not needed here.

However, given America’s history, I accept that there are a few exceptions. In the South, people banned from a lunch counter had few other choices. The Civil Rights Act’s intrusion into private behavior was probably necessary to counter the damage done by Jim Crow laws.

But today such coercion is no longer needed. Even in the difficult days of Reconstruction, after the Civil War, business began to bring together whites and blacks who might not always have liked each other but who wanted the best deals. It took several years for racists to get Jim Crow passed so they could put a stop to that erosion of the old racist ways. Government helped keep racism going for several more decades.

Individuals should be allowed to discriminate. I discriminate all the time. I favor people over others when I choose my friends, jobs, hobbies, clubs, religion, etc. So do you.

Elizabeth Taylor married nine times. Had she married again, should the EEOC have ordered her to marry someone from an ethnic minority?

A homophobic baker shouldn’t stop a same-sex couple from getting married. Likewise, a gay couple shouldn’t force a baker to make them a wedding cake. No one should ever force anyone to bake them a cake.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/08/death-knell-for-freedom-us-moving-from-inclusion-to-totalitarianism/?intcmp=trending

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

I wonder how long those queers had to search to find a bakery that would refuse them

kikorikid

The GLBT folks have shown they are Fascist!

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I have been thinking about this for a while. And I ask for anyone that is better at this than me to chime in and tell me why it would or would not work.

Business is run on supply and demand... Most bakeries are a small business and not like Hostess or the like. So, why don't they go private? They can still bake and sell their cakes without being harangued by homosexuals demanding tolerance. If Christians ban together, in particular the bakers, photographers, and others.... and buy and sell to each other for a year or so... Is it possible to get the message across? Indeed, If they ban together and stop buying from large companies that demand Christians bow to the 3 presenters.... How long before their supply is larger than demand and they reevaluate their position? People could start buying fruits and vegetables from local farmers markets from vendors who are like minded. Eggs from the farmers market and milk from people like me, I have a few cows that produce milk and I milk those cows (yes by hand) every day and I give that milk away to neighbors and those that want it.

Remember, money talks. And if all the Christians put away small differences in teachings.... Why would this not work? There is a heck of a lot more Christians in the US than homosexuals, so business that work against religion will not remain afloat long with just income from those trying to force you into betraying your fundamental beliefs. And you can avoid lawsuits because you are a private business.

And coupled with this, fill up email boxes and snail mail with protest letters to the establishments who demand you forfeit your rights as a Christian.

Kevyn

What if the baker were to refuse to make a cake for a mixed race couple or a Jewish couple would that be OK? Once you opperate a business that accommodates the public you have an obligation to serve the public following the law. Discrimination based on a number of factors is against the law, sexual orientation is recently becoming one of those factors and it is no more likely to revert to an unprotected class than race is. This change is here to stay and those fighting it to the end will be seen in history the same as the rednecks in the south "defending" public schools from segregation by standing in front of the buildings with axe handles to keep little girls from gaining entrance. In a few years the decendants of these so called "Christian bakers" will be burning their pictures and doing what they can to prune them from the family tree.

Logosadore Loc: East Texas

If I have a rent house that is close to my own house, should I have to rent it to a couple of queers in man love so that my sons have to walk past it on the way to the bus stop? NO. If I have a business that sells ads, should I have to accept ads from muslims whose very doctrine calls for the death of me and my family? NO.

If I own a business, I and I alone can decide who I want to engage with. Anything else is statist control and un American. In my remodeling, I ALWAYS decide who I want to work for and who I don't want to work for. No one can tell me that I have to do work for this person or that person. It is the same in retail. Ever see the sign that says, "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

In my remodeling I have worked for black folks and white folks in my community. I have worked for several churches, both black and white but all Christian. I have never and will never work for queers or muslims. Nor will I work for Satanists. Once two years ago, a man from Colorado hired me to do some deed research in our county. As I was in the books, he carried on a conversation with a local that revealed to me that he was anti second amendment. I stopped right then and there and told him that I would not work for him based on that political viewpoint. I told him that I would not help him buy property in my county because of his communist views. I am confessing to discriminating against him. It is my right. We have freedom of association in this country.

Steve

Kevyn

What you have posted was true until July 2nd 1964 when the civil rights act was signed into law. You are likely a small enough player in a small enough community to get away with your program but once you cross the wrong people you are out of luck, and if you are stubborn enough you may be out of business.

Logosadore Loc: East Texas

Nah. I will work for, rent to and sell to whom I want and no one can force me to do otherwise. It is my God given right based on my religious beliefs.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Why don't we test your theory. You come try to rent my house and I will tell you now that I won't rent to you simply based on the fact that you wear your hair long and are a liberal. I don't want my family exposed to your viewpoints and lifestyle.

Steve

PS Luck is from the same root word as Lucifer. I don't do either.

Kevyn

You will get away with it being a small player, at least until you wrong someone who stands up for the rights the realy have and you are standing before a judge. The vast majority of bigots who violate the rights of others are never prosecuted so you are pretty safe at least until you run your mouth once too often in the wrong company.

Logosadore Loc: East Texas

LOL You underestimate us. Why don't your file the suit? I will say it again, I WILL NOT rent my rent house to you based soley on your liberal viewpoints and the way you wear your hair because I don't want my family exposed to any influence from you or your kind.

Take that to eric holder and bring it.

Steve

PS you need to read the definition for bigot before you throw those big words around. I don't hate you nor do I feel any inclination to stop you from wearing a feminine hairstyle or harboring statist views. I just feel led to prevent that influence on my children as best I can.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I would expect that a great deal of research went into deciding which bakery to target. Like most activist groups, they do have contacts and connections with other like minded people Considering how many cases have suddenly emerged from the swamp, it would appear to be well orchestrated. Don't forget that the homosexual rights groups planned and carried out an attack on the American Psychiatric Association over a three year period to force the removal of same sex attraction from the diagnostic list of mental illness. the change was NOT made for scientific reasons but for political ones. notice that in most cases there was information out there that these bakers had sold bakery goods to homosexuals with no problems. It was the demand that the Christian bakers validate the "marriage" that made the Christian bakers say no, not the fact that the person making the purchase was homosexual.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

And what are your thoughts on this?

Court Sides With Baker Who Denied A Christian Customer Bible Verses Be Written on Cakes
By Chris Enloe

A bakery in Colorado has been found not guilty of discrimination after they denied baking two Bible shaped cakes for a Christian ‘activist.’

•If gay people wants to refuse to put ‘hateful’ messages on something, they should have that right.
•If Muslims want to refuse putting cartoons of Muhammad on a poster, they should have that right.
•If black Americans want to refuse putting images of the KKK on materials, they should have the right to do that.
•If Christians who disagree with gay marriage don’t want to endorse messages that support it, they should have that right.
Full story:
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/294575-court-sides-bakery-denied-christian-two-bible-shaped-cakes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_content=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Religion

Bake this cake or lose your business!

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

your first question is an impossibility keven can't think

Kevyn

Why on earth would I have any desire or need to rent some hovel from you?

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

We are SUPPOSED to have freedom of religion in this country. Unfortunately, it is no longer so, and when the almighty finally decides enough is enough, we will suffer for our actions.

If a person "religion" beliefs states that an inter racial couple marrying is against their religion, then they have the right to refuse service. Since when does the RIGHTS of 1% of the American public override those of us who claim to be religious. PROVE that it is DISCRIMINATION instead of RELIGIOUS belief. Freedom of religion is our right. Damn you who think it isnt. It isnt personal. It is their RIGHT!