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Apr 1, 2015 14:06:12   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Dennis - You know how much I appreciate your logical, thoughtful approach to all subjects, even when I disagree with you.

But you and I both know it is just pissing in the wind with most of the crowd on OPP. Logic is not their strongest attribute.


Roger that, Paul. I added a bit to my previous post after some further reflection.

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Apr 1, 2015 15:10:46   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
dennisimoto wrote:
Or an allergy if you prefer but, yes, you are correct. "Homosexual" is not a behavior either. It is a genetic sexual orientation. When you say that homosexual acts are not "normal" you need to realize that they are perfectly normal - for homosexuals. They would be 'abnormal' for heterosexuals and yet some heterosexual people do experiment.

The Catholic Church does not condemn homosexuals but suggests, as you have mentioned, that they accept their orientation but don't act on it. This is quite a lot to ask as the basic desire to share one's life with another is strong, procreation notwithstanding. There are folks who can pull it off but most succumb to their base nature and pair up with someone anyway. Including heterosexual couples who know they have no desire for children of their own.

As for the "marriage" part, I don't have convictions one way or another on that. I do believe that a homosexual couple should be entitled to all of the benefits, restrictions and protections under law that married couples have. Whether you have to have a religious ceremony or a "civil union ceremony" to let all of your friends & family know you are entering that formal union I don't know. But, it's apparently something to think about.
Or an allergy if you prefer but, yes, you are corr... (show quote)


I said "naturally normal".
Was your penis designed to be used in your buddy's anus, or your wife's vagina to procreate?
You need to quit skipping over and leaving out vital words that have been written.
You seem so bent on pushing your views that you aren't paying attention to mine.
Quit telling me what I didn't say.....got it!

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Apr 1, 2015 15:28:46   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Do you know any thing about testosterone and estrogen, these are the chemicals that make a male act like a male and conversely a female act like a female.Why do you think black women [ Preponderance of them ]look like men and act rather aggrresive don't lilke sexually suppress,which is why their so beligerant by the way. Conversely a lot of we white males talk with a lisp,have limp wrist and a natural swissh in their buttocks and act so play hating bitchy [we call it racisim ]. The point is this is not s learned behavior They born with a chemical imbalance therefotr they are no different than a person than another person borned handicapped
These are true homosexual.Then you have the ones that come about do to societal pressures.gender wars,meeting the criteria so a man can be accepted as a man.some are not strong enough to cope,so they take the path of least resistance and act like a female'
Do you know any thing about testosterone and estro... (show quote)


Please show me the documentation from at least five different long term studies that indicate that a hormone imbalance is behind and responsible for the sexual preference of some people. I have seen a number of studies about DNA controlled hormones which are responsible for the development of brain function between male and female and not one of them shows any indication of the DNA controlled hormone levels being different for heterosexual, homosexual, or transgender people. for all males the DNA controlled hormones which cause brain development and function are the same. For all females they are the same but NOT like the male brain development. There have also been numerous studies in blood hormone levels for heterosexual, homosexual, and transgender, with no differences in the three groups. Adult male homosexuals often have a higher level of testosterone than heterosexual males, but promiscuous heterosexual males have a higher level of testosterone than monogamous heterosexuals, so perhaps living with a woman who occasionally says no makes a difference. It seems to be in animal studies, the more a male is used at stud the higher his testosterone levels are and for a longer period in his life. But your claim has no documentation I have ever seen, so if you have such information I would be interested in the sources. Thanks.

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Apr 1, 2015 15:36:52   #
righty Loc: Tenn
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Do you know any thing about testosterone and estrogen, these are the chemicals that make a male act like a male and conversely a female act like a female.Why do you think black women [ Preponderance of them ]look like men and act rather aggrresive don't lilke sexually suppress,which is why their so beligerant by the way. Conversely a lot of we white males talk with a lisp,have limp wrist and a natural swissh in their buttocks and act so play hating bitchy [we call it racisim ]. The point is this is not s learned behavior They born with a chemical imbalance therefotr they are no different than a person than another person borned handicapped
These are true homosexual.Then you have the ones that come about do to societal pressures.gender wars,meeting the criteria so a man can be accepted as a man.some are not strong enough to cope,so they take the path of least resistance and act like a female'
Do you know any thing about testosterone and estro... (show quote)


so by your logic, all one would need to do is go to their doctor and get estrogen or testosterone injections and their homosexual desires should dissipate?

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Apr 1, 2015 18:37:30   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
bdamage wrote:
I said "naturally normal".
Was your penis designed to be used in your buddy's anus, or your wife's vagina to procreate?
You need to quit skipping over and leaving out vital words that have been written.
You seem so bent on pushing your views that you aren't paying attention to mine.
Quit telling me what I didn't say.....got it!


Uh, actually, it sounds like you're reading your own stuff into your own stuff. Got that?

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Apr 1, 2015 18:58:22   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
bdamage wrote:
Then what category do "they" fit into to obtain ALL of the rights we enjoy?
Race, nationality, gender, or religion?


Human being?

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Apr 1, 2015 19:11:59   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
working class stiff wrote:
Human being?


:thumbup:

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Apr 1, 2015 19:29:42   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
working class stiff wrote:
Human being?


What category would a person who exhibits the behavior of a pedophile be classified? Or one who exhibits the behavior of committing bestiality?

Should they also be able to "marry" a 10 year old or an animal of their choice if they so desired?

How far do you want to take this thing?

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Apr 1, 2015 19:31:28   #
dongreen76
 
Yes,that is essentially correct.That would be the percipatating catalyst.It is not so far fetched
Have you ever heard brainwashing or emasculating or even efeminizing a man.Note the emasculate,if you're not masculent you femanate. If woman,if you

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Apr 1, 2015 19:38:33   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Homosexuality is not a behavior one chooses. Psychologists and other behavioral scientists do not know what causes this. It may be a number of different things. It could be genetics may play a part in it, it may be that other factors are responsibile. The truth is, they just don't know. I do not see why homosexuality should be a reason to discriminate. I believe that what ever two consenting adults do behind closed doors is nobody's business but their own. It is most certainly none of the governments business, thats for damn sure!
bdamage wrote:
Lets see....."We the People" are to not discriminate against anyone's race, nationality, gender, or religion, right?

We all fit into each one of these categories.

Isn't homosexuality a "behavior"?
Which of the above "categories" says behavior?
It seems one is free to "choose" to be a homosexual and it is not against the law between consenting adults.

Do we not also have the freedom to reject this "behavior" and not accept it as being naturally normal if we choose so?

People may have the right to choose homosexual behavior, but "they" have NO right to force others to accept or approve of it.
Lets see....."We the People" are to not ... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2015 19:45:14   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Homosexuality is not a behavior one chooses. Psychologists and other behavioral scientists do not know what causes this. It may be a number of different things. It could be genetics may play a part in it, it may be that other factors are responsibile. The truth is, they just don't know. I do not see why homosexuality should be a reason to discriminate. I believe that what ever two consenting adults do behind closed doors is nobody's business but their own. It is most certainly none of the governments business, thats for damn sure!
Homosexuality is not a behavior one chooses. Psych... (show quote)


"They", the small minority, are forcing us, the majority, to accept and approve of their actions.
Businesses are being forced into courts if they do not appease "them".
If I don't want to do any business with them or accept their "behavior" due to my faith or moral compass than I shouldn't be forced to do so through our legal system.

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Apr 1, 2015 20:29:41   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
bdamage wrote:
"They", the small minority, are forcing us, the majority, to accept and approve of their actions.
Businesses are being forced into courts if they do not appease "them".
If I don't want to do any business with them or accept their "behavior" due to my faith or moral compass than I shouldn't be forced to do so through our legal system.


Of course there's an easy solve for your situation. Actually, several.

1. You could choose not to operate a business that is a public accommodation. You know, the kind with a storefront that is open to everyone. The rules are clear, and one can't discriminate. At least not without repercussions.

2. You could do the right thing and serve the customer, remembering that it is a business transaction and nothing else.

3. You could haul your sorry ass to some other world where everyone else is exactly like you. And be miserable in the company of others as miserable as you.


To the logical, intelligent members of OPP I apologize for offering option #3. It isn't like me, and I'm not proud of it. But I am sick and tired of all the scum that is floating to the surface over this issue. They will not respond to reason, or to fairness, or to anything remotely resembling humanity. My only solace is that they will eventually be dead, perhaps drowned in their own vomitous hatred. And trying valiantly at the pearly gates to explain why they treated some of God's children with such disdain.

Happy now?

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Apr 1, 2015 21:16:44   #
dongreen76
 
This country is comprised of minorites
you're concedeing to "WE THE PEOPLE BY THE……………maybe you will get one day.


I I DOUBT IT THOUGH! !

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Apr 1, 2015 21:20:06   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
bdamage wrote:
What category would a person who exhibits the behavior of a pedophile be classified? Or one who exhibits the behavior of committing bestiality?

Should they also be able to "marry" a 10 year old or an animal of their choice if they so desired?

How far do you want to take this thing?


Acting on pedophilia is a crime, whether committed by gays or straights. And bestiality? I've never heard anybody lobby for the right to marry an animal.

I don't think it's taking it too far to have consenting adults of whichever sexual preference be treated equally by civic society, and that includes having the government recognize gay marriage.

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Apr 1, 2015 21:26:02   #
dongreen76
 
Yuk yuk yuk If there were such
documentaion,there would'nt be a need for all the debate and descention.The scientific does'nt know, so we theorys and speculate on our own.o

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