Socialized vs Capitalistic Medicine
Oct 2, 2013 16:12:59 #
First I want to say that it doesn't really matter to me personally. I am old enough to be on Medicare, but I have no intention of using it to maintain my health. In my opinion our system operates on the wrong premise. If you get sick, you go to the doctor and he gives you something to beat down the sickness. I prefer an approach that builds the body up so the body can do its healing work. An oncologist once told me that the doctors go into the body and tear things up, then wait for the body to do the repairs. I'll pass.
When some say that we have the best medical system in the world, I have to grin. The problem with capitalistic medicine is that the focus is more on money than health. For example, here is a paragraph from a story about the actor, Michael Douglas, taken from Rawstory.com:
The actor, now 68, was diagnosed with cancer in August 2010, following many months of oral discomfort. But a series of specialists missed the tumour and instead prescribed antibiotics. Douglas then went to see a friends doctor in Montreal who looked inside his mouth using a tongue depressor.
You can see the whole article at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/02/actor-michael-douglas-my-throat-cancer-was-caused-by-oral-sex/
Surely Michael could afford the best doctors available in the USA, but they didn't find the problem. They just sold him some drugs. It took a socialist doctor in Canada to find it.
Under capitalistic medicine there is a temptation for potential doctors to go into it for the money. In socialized medicine the main reason to become a doctor is because it is what you have a heart to do. The socialized doctor is more likely to be more concerned with his patients than money.
We have the FDA that was originally created to make sure our food and drugs are of good quality. Unfortunately the corruption of money has changed that. Drug companies and food companies have way too much influence, and their concern is with their bottom line, not with your health. Just watch some of the commercials on TV and see how many of the approved drugs can cause more problems than they cure, even unto death.
The FDA has made it law that the only thing that can cure a disease is a drug, so they have to regulate it. I have seen many people at deaths door literally get their lives back through nutrition, but I can't say that any food or nutritional product cured their dieseas.
Medicine typically only looks at the physical body, and then specializes in specific parts and functions. This is problematic for several reasons. One, the body works as a complete unit. If you isolate one part and make changes in it, you could be doing damage in other parts. They call it side effects. Two, there is a mind - body interaction that is mostly ignored by physicians, but it can have a profound effect on one's health. Fortunately that is beginning to change. Three, there is also a spiritual component that is usually disregarded. The materialistic perspective of medicine doesn't leave much room for your spirit to work.
We are encouraged to put the responsibility for our health into a doctors hands. Even church goers that believe in prayer often use the phrase "the doctor said" and give it more credence than their prayers. I'm not saying that socialized medicine make more room for prayer than capitalistic medicine does, but they both should.
Obamacare, or the ACA, is not socialized medicine. There are still insurance companies involved, and there is government money involved too. However, the overall costs would be much less if our taxes paid for the medical training and the doctors worked for a tax paid salary. We trust the defense of our country to taxpayer paid employees, is it possible to trust our health care to the same kind of system. The government trains our military and deploys them to protect our country, could it train our doctors and deploy them to help keep us healthy? That might lead to Michelle Obamacare, where healthier living is encouraged.
When some say that we have the best medical system in the world, I have to grin. The problem with capitalistic medicine is that the focus is more on money than health. For example, here is a paragraph from a story about the actor, Michael Douglas, taken from Rawstory.com:
The actor, now 68, was diagnosed with cancer in August 2010, following many months of oral discomfort. But a series of specialists missed the tumour and instead prescribed antibiotics. Douglas then went to see a friends doctor in Montreal who looked inside his mouth using a tongue depressor.
You can see the whole article at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/02/actor-michael-douglas-my-throat-cancer-was-caused-by-oral-sex/
Surely Michael could afford the best doctors available in the USA, but they didn't find the problem. They just sold him some drugs. It took a socialist doctor in Canada to find it.
Under capitalistic medicine there is a temptation for potential doctors to go into it for the money. In socialized medicine the main reason to become a doctor is because it is what you have a heart to do. The socialized doctor is more likely to be more concerned with his patients than money.
We have the FDA that was originally created to make sure our food and drugs are of good quality. Unfortunately the corruption of money has changed that. Drug companies and food companies have way too much influence, and their concern is with their bottom line, not with your health. Just watch some of the commercials on TV and see how many of the approved drugs can cause more problems than they cure, even unto death.
The FDA has made it law that the only thing that can cure a disease is a drug, so they have to regulate it. I have seen many people at deaths door literally get their lives back through nutrition, but I can't say that any food or nutritional product cured their dieseas.
Medicine typically only looks at the physical body, and then specializes in specific parts and functions. This is problematic for several reasons. One, the body works as a complete unit. If you isolate one part and make changes in it, you could be doing damage in other parts. They call it side effects. Two, there is a mind - body interaction that is mostly ignored by physicians, but it can have a profound effect on one's health. Fortunately that is beginning to change. Three, there is also a spiritual component that is usually disregarded. The materialistic perspective of medicine doesn't leave much room for your spirit to work.
We are encouraged to put the responsibility for our health into a doctors hands. Even church goers that believe in prayer often use the phrase "the doctor said" and give it more credence than their prayers. I'm not saying that socialized medicine make more room for prayer than capitalistic medicine does, but they both should.
Obamacare, or the ACA, is not socialized medicine. There are still insurance companies involved, and there is government money involved too. However, the overall costs would be much less if our taxes paid for the medical training and the doctors worked for a tax paid salary. We trust the defense of our country to taxpayer paid employees, is it possible to trust our health care to the same kind of system. The government trains our military and deploys them to protect our country, could it train our doctors and deploy them to help keep us healthy? That might lead to Michelle Obamacare, where healthier living is encouraged.
Oct 2, 2013 16:15:45 #
IT IS TRUE THAT THE DOCTORS ARE THE BIGGEST DRUG PUSHERS HERE IN THE US. LIKE U I COMPLETELY STAY AWAY FROM THEM. WHEN I AM AT DEATHS DOOR THEN THEY CAN FINISH ME OFF. THIS IS MY OPINION
Oct 2, 2013 16:34:59 #
godisreal wrote:
IT IS TRUE THAT THE DOCTORS ARE THE BIGGEST DRUG PUSHERS HERE IN THE US. LIKE U I COMPLETELY STAY AWAY FROM THEM. WHEN I AM AT DEATHS DOOR THEN THEY CAN FINISH ME OFF. THIS IS MY OPINION
You don't have to let them finish you off, you can just leave when you are ready.
Oct 2, 2013 16:36:37 #
My doctor and I did some rounds on this, my thinking was drugs cover the problem with possibility causing other problems, she finally agreed but it took so doing. Now we treat me to cure not cover, am finding it a pain but less expensive.
godisreal wrote:
IT IS TRUE THAT THE DOCTORS ARE THE BIGGEST DRUG PUSHERS HERE IN THE US. LIKE U I COMPLETELY STAY AWAY FROM THEM. WHEN I AM AT DEATHS DOOR THEN THEY CAN FINISH ME OFF. THIS IS MY OPINION
Oct 2, 2013 17:00:24 #
A few problems with the story
1) Michael Douglas was treated like an A Lister in Canada and did not have to wait one second to see doctor.
2) Douglas is a US Citizen and resident of Bermuda and NYC. While he owns a home in Canada he is not a permanent resident. He most likely paid for his Doctor in Canada
3) Although he was diagnosed in Canada his NYC physician referred him to a specialist there.
4) He was later treated at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[74] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[75]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [76][Dead link][citation needed]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[77]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[71] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tier health care.[72
[quote=octive9]First I want to say that it doesn't really matter to me personally. I am old enough to be on Medicare, but I have no intention of using it to maintain my health. In my opinion our system operates on the wrong premise. If you get sick, you go to the doctor and he gives you something to beat down the sickness. I prefer an approach that builds the body up so the body can do its healing work. An oncologist once told me that the doctors go into the body and tear things up, then wait for the body to do the repairs. I'll pass.
When some say that we have the best medical system in the world, I have to grin. The problem with capitalistic medicine is that the focus is more on money than health. For example, here is a paragraph from a story about the actor, Michael Douglas, taken from Rawstory.com:
The actor, now 68, was diagnosed with cancer in August 2010, following many months of oral discomfort. But a series of specialists missed the tumour and instead prescribed antibiotics. Douglas then went to see a friends doctor in Montreal who looked inside his mouth using a tongue depressor.
You can see the whole article at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/02/actor-michael-douglas-my-throat-cancer-was-caused-by-oral-sex/
Surely Michael could afford the best doctors available in the USA, but they didn't find the problem. They just sold him some drugs. It took a socialist doctor in Canada to find it.
Under capitalistic medicine there is a temptation for potential doctors to go into it for the money. In socialized medicine the main reason to become a doctor is because it is what you have a heart to do. The socialized doctor is more likely to be more concerned with his patients than money.
We have the FDA that was originally created to make sure our food and drugs are of good quality. Unfortunately the corruption of money has changed that. Drug companies and food companies have way too much influence, and their concern is with their bottom line, not with your health. Just watch some of the commercials on TV and see how many of the approved drugs can cause more problems than they cure, even unto death.
The FDA has made it law that the only thing that can cure a disease is a drug, so they have to regulate it. I have seen many people at deaths door literally get their lives back through nutrition, but I can't say that any food or nutritional product cured their dieseas.
Medicine typically only looks at the physical body, and then specializes in specific parts and functions. This is problematic for several reasons. One, the body works as a complete unit. If you isolate one part and make changes in it, you could be doing damage in other parts. They call it side effects. Two, there is a mind - body interaction that is mostly ignored by physicians, but it can have a profound effect on one's health. Fortunately that is beginning to change. Three, there is also a spiritual component that is usually disregarded. The materialistic perspective of medicine doesn't leave much room for your spirit to work.
We are encouraged to put the responsibility for our health into a doctors hands. Even church goers that believe in prayer often use the phrase "the doctor said" and give it more credence than their prayers. I'm not saying that socialized medicine make more room for prayer than capitalistic medicine does, but they both should.
Obamacare, or the ACA, is not socialized medicine. There are still insurance companies involved, and there is government money involved too. However, the overall costs would be much less if our taxes paid for the medical training and the doctors worked for a tax paid salary. We trust the defense of our country to taxpayer paid employees, is it possible to trust our health care to the same kind of system. The government trains our military and deploys them to protect our country, could it train our doctors and deploy them to help keep us healthy? That might lead to Michelle Obamacare, where healthier living is encouraged.[/quote]
1) Michael Douglas was treated like an A Lister in Canada and did not have to wait one second to see doctor.
2) Douglas is a US Citizen and resident of Bermuda and NYC. While he owns a home in Canada he is not a permanent resident. He most likely paid for his Doctor in Canada
3) Although he was diagnosed in Canada his NYC physician referred him to a specialist there.
4) He was later treated at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[74] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[75]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [76][Dead link][citation needed]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[77]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[71] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tier health care.[72
[quote=octive9]First I want to say that it doesn't really matter to me personally. I am old enough to be on Medicare, but I have no intention of using it to maintain my health. In my opinion our system operates on the wrong premise. If you get sick, you go to the doctor and he gives you something to beat down the sickness. I prefer an approach that builds the body up so the body can do its healing work. An oncologist once told me that the doctors go into the body and tear things up, then wait for the body to do the repairs. I'll pass.
When some say that we have the best medical system in the world, I have to grin. The problem with capitalistic medicine is that the focus is more on money than health. For example, here is a paragraph from a story about the actor, Michael Douglas, taken from Rawstory.com:
The actor, now 68, was diagnosed with cancer in August 2010, following many months of oral discomfort. But a series of specialists missed the tumour and instead prescribed antibiotics. Douglas then went to see a friends doctor in Montreal who looked inside his mouth using a tongue depressor.
You can see the whole article at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/02/actor-michael-douglas-my-throat-cancer-was-caused-by-oral-sex/
Surely Michael could afford the best doctors available in the USA, but they didn't find the problem. They just sold him some drugs. It took a socialist doctor in Canada to find it.
Under capitalistic medicine there is a temptation for potential doctors to go into it for the money. In socialized medicine the main reason to become a doctor is because it is what you have a heart to do. The socialized doctor is more likely to be more concerned with his patients than money.
We have the FDA that was originally created to make sure our food and drugs are of good quality. Unfortunately the corruption of money has changed that. Drug companies and food companies have way too much influence, and their concern is with their bottom line, not with your health. Just watch some of the commercials on TV and see how many of the approved drugs can cause more problems than they cure, even unto death.
The FDA has made it law that the only thing that can cure a disease is a drug, so they have to regulate it. I have seen many people at deaths door literally get their lives back through nutrition, but I can't say that any food or nutritional product cured their dieseas.
Medicine typically only looks at the physical body, and then specializes in specific parts and functions. This is problematic for several reasons. One, the body works as a complete unit. If you isolate one part and make changes in it, you could be doing damage in other parts. They call it side effects. Two, there is a mind - body interaction that is mostly ignored by physicians, but it can have a profound effect on one's health. Fortunately that is beginning to change. Three, there is also a spiritual component that is usually disregarded. The materialistic perspective of medicine doesn't leave much room for your spirit to work.
We are encouraged to put the responsibility for our health into a doctors hands. Even church goers that believe in prayer often use the phrase "the doctor said" and give it more credence than their prayers. I'm not saying that socialized medicine make more room for prayer than capitalistic medicine does, but they both should.
Obamacare, or the ACA, is not socialized medicine. There are still insurance companies involved, and there is government money involved too. However, the overall costs would be much less if our taxes paid for the medical training and the doctors worked for a tax paid salary. We trust the defense of our country to taxpayer paid employees, is it possible to trust our health care to the same kind of system. The government trains our military and deploys them to protect our country, could it train our doctors and deploy them to help keep us healthy? That might lead to Michelle Obamacare, where healthier living is encouraged.[/quote]
Oct 2, 2013 17:01:09 #
bmac32 wrote:
My doctor and I did some rounds on this, my thinking was drugs cover the problem with possibility causing other problems, she finally agreed but it took so doing. Now we treat me to cure not cover, am finding it a pain but less expensive.
It has always confused me that such a poor job is done in teaching doctors to listen to the patient. It is the individual who lives day in and day out with their body. A doctor needs to heed their patients.
Oct 2, 2013 17:04:57 #
[quote=DennisDee]A few problems with the story
1) Michael Douglas was treated like an A Lister in Canada and did not have to wait one second to see doctor.
2) Douglas is a US Citizen and resident of Bermuda and NYC. While he owns a home in Canada he is not a permanent resident. He most likely paid for his Doctor in Canada
3) Although he was diagnosed in Canada his NYC physician referred him to a specialist there.
4) He was later treated at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[74] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[75]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [76][Dead link][citation needed]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[77]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[71] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tier health care.[72[/quote]
Have your considered Anthroposophic Medicine. With your philosophy, it would seem a perfect match. Yes, it is difficult to find an Anthroposophic trained physician but the numbers are increasing.
1) Michael Douglas was treated like an A Lister in Canada and did not have to wait one second to see doctor.
2) Douglas is a US Citizen and resident of Bermuda and NYC. While he owns a home in Canada he is not a permanent resident. He most likely paid for his Doctor in Canada
3) Although he was diagnosed in Canada his NYC physician referred him to a specialist there.
4) He was later treated at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[74] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[75]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [76][Dead link][citation needed]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[77]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[71] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tier health care.[72[/quote]
Have your considered Anthroposophic Medicine. With your philosophy, it would seem a perfect match. Yes, it is difficult to find an Anthroposophic trained physician but the numbers are increasing.
Oct 2, 2013 17:10:00 #
My primary is older than the new one that came aboard last year. She asked if I would mind and I said no problem. I found the new one quite willing to listen and work with me as a team of sorts. I'm finding he's into cures and not treatment which it the way I'd like to try and solve some problems.
AuntiE wrote:
It has always confused me that such a poor job is done in teaching doctors to listen to the patient. It is the individual who lives day in and day out with their body. A doctor needs to heed their patients.
Oct 2, 2013 17:34:40 #
Several years ago a retired doctor told me how medical school has improve doctor's training in nutrition. When he went to medical school they laughed at nutrition for about 20 minutes. That was their total training in nutrition. The improvement - now they laugh at it for an hour.
Oct 2, 2013 17:43:43 #
[quote=DennisDee]A few problems with the story
1) Michael Douglas was treated like an A Lister in Canada and did not have to wait one second to see doctor.
2) Douglas is a US Citizen and resident of Bermuda and NYC. While he owns a home in Canada he is not a permanent resident. He most likely paid for his Doctor in Canada
3) Although he was diagnosed in Canada his NYC physician referred him to a specialist there.
4) He was later treated at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[74] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[75]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [76][Dead link][citation needed]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[77]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[71] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tier health care.[72[/quote]
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. The principle is that the motives of a doctor under socialized medicine are likely to be more pure than one that is in it for the money.
1) Michael Douglas was treated like an A Lister in Canada and did not have to wait one second to see doctor.
2) Douglas is a US Citizen and resident of Bermuda and NYC. While he owns a home in Canada he is not a permanent resident. He most likely paid for his Doctor in Canada
3) Although he was diagnosed in Canada his NYC physician referred him to a specialist there.
4) He was later treated at Memorial Sloan Kettering in NYC.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[74] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[75]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [76][Dead link][citation needed]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[77]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[71] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tier health care.[72[/quote]
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. The principle is that the motives of a doctor under socialized medicine are likely to be more pure than one that is in it for the money.
Oct 2, 2013 17:58:19 #
More pure? They make very good money in Canada. They usually have 50% less in medical school bills , much lower malpractice insurance and much lower overhead.
The CIHI data show a gross clinical payment per physician of $307,482. That ranges from $250,000 in PEI to $350,000 in Alberta.
http://student.pnhp.org/content/what_about_physician_salaries.php
Specialty US Average Salary Canada Average Salary (n/1.212)
Family Medicine $164,952 $167,064
Int. Medicine $170,889/ $169,450 (hospitalist) $248,721
Ob/Gyn $253,160 $261,412
Gen. Surgery $278,433 $247,375
Anesthesia $309,019 $205,441
Urology $317,778 $279,982
The CIHI data show a gross clinical payment per physician of $307,482. That ranges from $250,000 in PEI to $350,000 in Alberta.
http://student.pnhp.org/content/what_about_physician_salaries.php
Specialty US Average Salary Canada Average Salary (n/1.212)
Family Medicine $164,952 $167,064
Int. Medicine $170,889/ $169,450 (hospitalist) $248,721
Ob/Gyn $253,160 $261,412
Gen. Surgery $278,433 $247,375
Anesthesia $309,019 $205,441
Urology $317,778 $279,982
octive9 wrote:
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. The principle is that the motives of a doctor under socialized medicine are likely to be more pure than one that is in it for the money.
Oct 2, 2013 18:56:35 #
octive9 wrote:
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. The principle is that the motives of a doctor under socialized medicine are likely to be more pure than one that is in it for the money.
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. Unfortunately for you, you did not as DennisDee totally shot your theory full of holes.
Oct 2, 2013 19:10:31 #
Yes and the example of Michael Douglas was a poor one
runzwsissors wrote:
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. Unfortunately for you, you did not as DennisDee totally shot your theory full of holes.
Oct 2, 2013 20:23:19 #
runzwsissors wrote:
You can always find examples to prove any side of any argument. Unfortunately for you, you did not as DennisDee totally shot your theory full of holes.
You missed my real point. In my first paragraph I explained why I don't use our medical system.
I have no personal experience with socialized medicine but I have seen what we have here kill several people with impunity. I even heard a Christian doctor once say that he was looking forward to the flu season so he could make some more money. It seems to me that if doctors just got a salary and weren't trying to compete for business, and had to answer for what they do, the results might be better.
Oct 2, 2013 20:29:46 #
My one experience with Socialized Medicine was in Bermuda which is on the UK NHS System . My daughter broke her arm on a cruise ship. She was 18 months old. The hospital in Hamilton was one of 2 on the island.
We arrived at this run down old building manned with British Nurses and waited many hours to be seen. My daughter was screaming in pain and they offered nothing to help her but asked us to keep her quiet. Finally they tried to set her arm and she kept screaming and moving. She was 18 Months OLD. They refused to sedate her and refused to treat her while she was uncooperative even to the point of being nasty. I flew home with her immediately to a New York hospital.
We arrived at this run down old building manned with British Nurses and waited many hours to be seen. My daughter was screaming in pain and they offered nothing to help her but asked us to keep her quiet. Finally they tried to set her arm and she kept screaming and moving. She was 18 Months OLD. They refused to sedate her and refused to treat her while she was uncooperative even to the point of being nasty. I flew home with her immediately to a New York hospital.
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