Singularity

I call BS. This article says what I said. Lot was sexually unrighteous, living his sin nature, so, I say, God made a mistake in moral judgement to single him out as righteous at that point in time. Wasn't the sinful nature the reason for the Flood?

On the killed children issue, following that logic, why shouldn't any loving Christian parent be expected to immediately abort any pregnancy and humanely dispose of any living children under the age of accountability to ensure their eternal salvation? Your argument here is bizarre! Like Jehovah! And just as morally challenged!

Singularity

You can't figure out for yourself that killing innocent children is wrong?
People were evil to the extent that the God created them that way. Then punished them for it!?! Capital punishment?

Vacaman

Nope, never once related it literally to flesh or blood. As far as Lot and his ills, I can not speak of why he offers his daughters, homophobic? Coward? He had issues, many characters in the Old Testament did, not so different than people of today. The Old Testament is a closed book in my eyes, I admit that I have not studied too much though I'm sure there are lessons to be learnt.
BTW, I guess I received a totally different image of why we remember the way our lord and savior died and the symbolic breaking of the bread was to remind us of the nourishment spiritually , not as protein!

BOHICA

Did it ever occur to you that since God told him to build it, he also told him HOW to build it. And remember how long it took to build. Several hundred years.

Singularity

It seems it might take Ken Ham just as long to build his replica in Kentucky. Can't seem to get it to work with the dimensions and specifications found in Genesis. Now State funding is drying up.

Singularity

That would be the cleaned up, antiseptic version. Apologetics.

"I Corinthians 11
27  Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning  the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself." Italics added.

I find it hypocritical and morally repulsive that some people have a Christian objection to baking a cake for a wedding of homosexual partners, but be totally comfortable with ritual human sacrifice and ritual human cannibalism?

A hymn I recall from childhood regarding baptism. ("For without the shedding of blood, there is no redemption from sin!")

Would you be free from the burden of sin?
There is power in the blood!
Power in the blood!
Come for a cleansing in Calvary's tide.
There is wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power!
In the blood!
Of the lamb!
Are your garments spotless?
Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the lamb?

And:
Rock of ages cleft for me.
Let me hide myself in thee.
Let the water and the blood,
From thy riven side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure.
Save from wrath.
And make me pure.

BOHICA

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. There are many people of integrity and learning who would disagree with you. What makes you think that you know better than all of them? Face it. You are just plain ignorant. I would even say willfully ignorant.

MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon

Per your statement below: WRONG! Q. In Gen chapter 6 it appears that before God commissioned Noah to construct an ark he had three sons. However, in Gen 11 it is stated that two years after the flood subsided, Shem was then only 100 years old. That being the case, how can so many preachers state that Noah took 120 years to build the ark? It seems to me that this 120 years claim is based on verse 3 of chapter six. Please give your mind on this matter.


The Bible doesn’t say it took Noah 120 years to build the Ark. What it says is that God was offended by mankind’s behavior and determined that He would wipe everyone off the face of the Earth in 120 years (Genesis 6:3-7).
Sometime later He made a covenant with Noah to save him, his sons, and their wives along with male and female representatives from each specie of animal. I have done a thorough search on this one and he did take 7 of each species of man and 7 of each species of woman. (Genesis 6:9-22).
We don’t know how long it took Noah and his sons to build the ark, but we do know that all three sons were alive and already had wives when construction was started and that Shem was 98 years old when the flood occurred (Genesis 11:10). Therefore, those who preach that it took Noah 120 years to build the ark have misinterpreted Genesis 6:3.

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And as far as the flood goes, the Bible specifically states that everyone on the planet, with the exception of Noah and his family, were just plain evil.

BOHICA

[quote=MsAtta2d]Per your statement below: WRONG! Q. In Gen chapter 6 it appears that before God commissioned Noah to construct an ark he had three sons. However, in Gen 11 it is stated that two years after the flood subsided, Shem was then only 100 years old. That being the case, how can so many preachers state that Noah took 120 years to build the ark? It seems to me that this 120 years claim is based on verse 3 of chapter six. Please give your mind on this matter.


The Bible doesn’t say it took Noah 120 years to build the Ark. What it says is that God was offended by mankind’s behavior and determined that He would wipe everyone off the face of the Earth in 120 years (Genesis 6:3-7).
Sometime later He made a covenant with Noah to save him, his sons, and their wives along with male and female representatives from each specie of animal. I have done a thorough search on this one and he did take 7 of each species of man and 7 of each species of woman. (Genesis 6:9-22).
We don’t know how long it took Noah and his sons to build the ark, but we do know that all three sons were alive and already had wives when construction was started and that Shem was 98 years old when the flood occurred (Genesis 11:10). Therefore, those who preach that it took Noah 120 years to build the ark have misinterpreted Genesis 6:3.



You may be correct. My memory isn't what it used to be. Multiple sclerosis is a real pain. Would you believe I forgot my multiplication tables a few years ago? Just gone. Had to learn them all over again.

PeterS

Said the pot to the kettle as he called it black. You accept on blind faith without using an ounce of reason god gave you to use. That would be the definition of "willfully ignorant" which you have to be to believe in a child's book of fairytales...

PeterS

So why not just wave his hand and destroy all the bad guys? Why would a god destroy his entire creation simply because part of his creation turned out to be bad? Any god who possessed the ability to create a flood to destroy the earth possessed the ability to destroy the evil part of humanity by any means of his choosing yet he chose to destroy all life, not just the part that was corrupt. Why?

Coming out of the last Ice Age there were any number of floods that were biblical in size plus when the land dam broke to create the Black Sea it would also have been considered biblical in size also. You are chasing a myth and not a very good one. Throughout time man has used GOD as a means to explain events that were beyond his comprehension. However, we can understand now so to still cling to god as an explanation displays the gullibility of a child who believes Santa Clause will reward him if he is good and punish him if he is bad. Gosh that sounds soooo familiar, I wonder were I could have heard such a story before!

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Oh no...the last time I checked you cannot create nor destroy matter, you can only change it's form.....PHYSICS 101

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

You can have your "spin" on all of it....however you are also subject to only what you as a human have encountered within where you live and what you have learned and what experiences you have. If anyone actually wanted to find as much proof about what is recorded in the Bible and see if there is any other existing proof, there is more evidence that it does then evidence that it is not truth...however....no matter what anyone ever debates or wants to pick it about on either side....one factor will always be constant.....NO one can EVER have a belief in it without faith....it just cannot be any other way. I tend to think to debate it until the cows come home will never have either side see another's viewpoints....

Myself, I have observed enough in life and find what the Bible says in general to be true.....I do keep an open mind that some things (recorded by man) that is in the Bible may not be as accurate as everyone else may or may not think it to be....but as a whole document, I find it to be truthful...I do have faith that is it.

As to what happened to make this Universe? I do think a higher being was involved.

Take a short look at you yourself as a HUMAN being....now in the warmer weather, walk past an ant hill....observe them....do you not think to an ant you could be considered a God? Stupid as it sounds, if the ant could have the thought process to convey observing you...what would that ant relay to other ants? Imagine that.,...Ralph the ant tells Murray the Ant, "WTF was THAT"? You see that large moving object? It just stepped on a few hundred of our fellow ants and them moved away so fast it was like POOF gone!

Nature. So if Nature can be that way, how hard would your open thinking allow you to not think someone much more advanced then what we are, could be in charge? Why close the door on open thinking? How can I know if God may be some alien life form? I don't know.....it could very well be that way...but...even so...it does not mean he does not exist....and of course my telling you or anyone else he does exist does not prove it to you. If you do not try to find the answers all out for yourself and find the faith needed to know, it will never happen not in your life time....and I sure do not really desire to PUSH my faith on you at all....maybe some would or will but not me. Aside from all that..I do not walk what the walk would be per the standards of common christianity....call me a sinner or what ever...but I more or less consider myself a protector of the rights for those that do decide to desire or have already a desire to be a Christian.....nothing more about it from me beyond this as it is. I have my own reasons not worth getting into .

Singularity

What have I claimed about Christianity and the Bible here that is incorrect? I claim communion is a celebration of human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism. You dont like it, prove me wrong. Don't just call me names and claim there are "smarter" people than you or me who could.

The ignorance here is your own by your own admission!. I AM A PERSON OF INTEGRITY AND LEARNING! In your first sentence you choose to leave to leave the facts and resort to namecalling. School yourself to behave politely and morally; Its the right thing to do! (AND you claim Christians have some moral high ground!)

I gave you the scripture. How can you refute it?

Do you deny the Christ's living sacrifice on the cross, broken for YOU and your SINS!?!? Human sacrifice! Scripture says, "Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins." The verses above are classic Christian hymns.

"Eat my body, drink my blood"; ritual cannibalism!

How is it ANYTHING ELSE?

Oh, yes, you haven't answered my question! Have you ever read the Bible thru thoughtfully, cover to cover?

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Ritual not actual....but I think what the point you may not get about that one element is simple to state regardless of what you will never believe....not that I am some total expert either but here is what the majority of Christianity believes on it..

Christ being the savior is a "being" of power connected to God. Through him and him alone you are given eternal salvation....forgiveness of sins...so as he died and bled on the cross and knew he would do so, he states for those that desire to have eternal salvation to "drink of my blood" ONLY in a symbolic way, and eat of my flesh, again only in a symbolic way thus the bread and wine....for you or anyone else it only is what it is...yet for those that know...it is taking upon the "spirit" of that vow or contract that if you want forgiveness and eternal salvation you can only have it through him...what it does not mean is you are a CANNIBAL as there is no human flesh he is asking you to eat nor human blood asking to be drunk. The BODY of Christ is what he is as a total and not just a physical sense but a spiritual sense....

Unlike anyone else, I may only attempt to give some meaning to it all but in all honesty, you will not get it and actually I don't care if you do....but at least someone attempted to clear it up the way it should be so you can at least hump and frump all the way to how you want to view it.

No one should try to force YOU to find anything at all with the Bible or its history to be accurate or truth to you at all. There should be no debate with you on it. You should not be quoting the bible as it has no purpose or meaning to you. From what you have already stated all you should be wondering about is what type of worms will be in your casket...or how hot will the fire be when you are cremated....And I only posted what I have here as it seems those that know all this just did not get the right words to say what I did say....

Now that I am all done posting ANYTHING to you....and as I am NOT someone that walks the line so to speak in a very Christian manner...I hope some how and some way when you do pass away you have the most horrible last few moments on this earth...that all you have felt true is under enormous and painful fear that maybe all these years you made a mistake but no matter what, you do not give up on what you think now...and why do I say that? You are one super ugly person...inside and out. May someone be blessed enough to make sure the worms are very hungry to snack........case closed. BYE!