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Sep 25, 2013 13:41:23   #
GaryMickel1955
 
Tasine wrote:
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I think you are right about too many sheeple, but the Revolutionary War was won with a few, not the majority fighting. We don't need numbers as much as we need thoughtful plans. If we had a violent war, we would all be dead because the government has more and better weapons than we do. I used to sometimes work with a surgeon whose favorite saying was, "There's more ways of skinning a cat than dipping him in hot butter". We all need to put on our thinking caps, SERIOUSLY.

I do believe that when the government comes for our guns, MOST will rebel because we know why we are entitled to have them and aren't about to sit by while they are confiscated. The way I see it is that he who wants my guns confiscated is my ENEMY. I will not willingly give up my God-given rights. But I'm up in years and don't relish dying, but will do so if I must.
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I fully agree don't want to die yet but if it is necassarry to keep my rights I will.

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Sep 25, 2013 13:53:36   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
Miss Brandi wrote:
No, it's not, it's called The Second Amendment. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

You cannot utilize the Second Amendment without sedition.

Most people think Texas is the only state that could legally secede, but every state has that right. Consider this, all states secede, he becomes a man without a country.

(And yes, I know the difference between sedition and secede)
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, ALL of the people were considered the Militia. What about the ", the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed," or does that part of the 2nd Amendment not register with you? If you research the intent of the 2nd Amendment, the 2nd Amendment wasn't about hunting or target shooting as many of the gun grabbers imply. It was so that armed citizens could revolt against a tyrannical governmet that failed to abide by the Constitution...something like we have now. Why do you think the Socialists want to find every last excuse to disarm citizens? That's what the Communists have always done before taking power and killing their opponents. Research what Bill Ayers said about "As many as 25 Million citizens may have to be eliminated in order to achieve our goals." Nancy Pelosi once said, "We have to get the guns first in order to have Socialism succeed." And no, it isn't about "the children." If that were the case, automobiles would be banned for all of the deaths they cause: over 30,000 last year.

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Sep 25, 2013 13:58:14   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
GaryMickel1955 wrote:
Yes there is a clause in the Constitution that allows us States rights and Sedition is completly legal and at this point needed. It would leave O as a leader without a country to lead.

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I may be wrong, but as sedition has various definitions - levels of sedition - I believe it would be seen as illegal. IOW, citizens can rebel, but should be ready to pay the price for defending their freedoms - just as our founders had to do. Some of them died horrible deaths for their actions that gave us America, the America that some wish would die, the America our President and his wife seem to hate.

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Sep 25, 2013 14:24:27   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
Tasine wrote:
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I may be wrong, but as sedition has various definitions - levels of sedition - I believe it would be seen as illegal. IOW, citizens can rebel, but should be ready to pay the price for defending their freedoms - just as our founders had to do. Some of them died horrible deaths for their actions that gave us America, the America that some wish would die, the America our President and his wife seem to hate.


There is a big price to pay if citizens don't rebel. The idea that Socialists think that they can micro-manage the lives of citizens, many of who are superior in intellect than the busy-body Socialists, is a joke. I will not allow myself to be led by power hungry idiots, nor will I voluntarily give up the few guns that I have. The history of gun confiscation has been the death of millions who were unarmed or disarmed. The dreamers would say that such killings couldn't happen here. I disagree. Who would have ever thought that this country's government could be taken over by a subversive administration? ANYTHING is possible with the present administration or their stupid followers.

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Sep 25, 2013 14:32:06   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
When the 2nd Amendment was written, ALL of the people were considered the Militia. What about the ", the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed," or does that part of the 2nd Amendment not register with you? If you research the intent of the 2nd Amendment, the 2nd Amendment wasn't about hunting or target shooting as many of the gun grabbers imply. It was so that armed citizens could revolt against a tyrannical governmet that failed to abide by the Constitution...something like we have now. Why do you think the Socialists want to find every last excuse to disarm citizens? That's what the Communists have always done before taking power and killing their opponents. Research what Bill Ayers said about "As many as 25 Million citizens may have to be eliminated in order to achieve our goals." Nancy Pelosi once said, "We have to get the guns first in order to have Socialism succeed." And no, it isn't about "the children." If that were the case, automobiles would be banned for all of the deaths they cause: over 30,000 last year.
When the 2nd Amendment was written, ALL of the peo... (show quote)

lets face it...all of this is nothing new, but recently (past decade or so) this has reached critical mass to the point of total internal chaos. but i was around when all of this started. this could be construed as the 2nd big bang theory...demise of this country. this time frame would be the middle to late 60's...a major mistake. i was 10 during the summer of love. now don't get me wrong. i had a real good time. don't even remember parts of the early 70's...but i grew up. these times were known as the big bong theory. these were also the times where tradition, folklore, inguinuity , morals and values were laughed at...you know...the same as now. when 2 students were killed at kent state by the guard in 1970, much of mainstreet america thought many more shoulda died...same as now. on the same page here? people back then knew what we have now would happen. cancer spreads throughout time. itz been 40 years since the diagnosis. when roe vs. wade went in effect, i saw the writing on the wall. 10 years before abortion law, we had 'i love lucy' for cryin` out loud. if thatz not fast-forward change, then i don't know what is!! thank god for the 2nd amendment `cause thatz what itz problably gunna take to put morals and values back where they belong...not where they are now...in some dudes butt!!! check out this poster. this is a good read not because i wrote it?, but because i'm the same as most...on the bottom. sh*t rolls downhill, right past all these haughty-taughty writers who never went hungry and lands on people like me and you. anyone from a stoner to a PHD(Piled Higher and Deeper) can understand this. look up 'cesspool jones' on facebook



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Sep 25, 2013 15:47:37   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
There is a big price to pay if citizens don't rebel. The idea that Socialists think that they can micro-manage the lives of citizens, many of who are superior in intellect than the busy-body Socialists, is a joke. I will not allow myself to be led by power hungry idiots, nor will I voluntarily give up the few guns that I have. The history of gun confiscation has been the death of millions who were unarmed or disarmed. The dreamers would say that such killings couldn't happen here. I disagree. Who would have ever thought that this country's government could be taken over by a subversive administration? ANYTHING is possible with the present administration or their stupid followers.
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Thank you for saying it like it is! Citizens will eventually rebel because many of us know what will happen if we do NOT. I believe there will be a rebellion, and our government is the one and only cause for it. People can tolerate having their backs to the wall for so long before they react in the only way available to them. You'll note this administration has been removing as many methods of citizen reaction as possible. They've essentially closed down the press, the courts,the rule of law, and the Congress. At the same time the left has been stirring up as much racial and class animosity as it is possible to get stirred up. And the voting booth is a sick joke it is so riff with corruption BY POLITICIANS. Tell me what is left as a means of reacting to an oppressive government besides rebellion. That rebellion can take any number of forms, and the smart Americans will take great care how they rebel.

Thank you for honesty and love of freedom!!
Thank you for honesty and love of freedom!!...

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Sep 25, 2013 17:44:51   #
GaryMickel1955
 
Tasine wrote:
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Thank you for saying it like it is! Citizens will eventually rebel because many of us know what will happen if we do NOT. I believe there will be a rebellion, and our government is the one and only cause for it. People can tolerate having their backs to the wall for so long before they react in the only way available to them. You'll note this administration has been removing as many methods of citizen reaction as possible. They've essentially closed down the press, the courts,the rule of law, and the Congress. At the same time the left has been stirring up as much racial and class animosity as it is possible to get stirred up. And the voting booth is a sick joke it is so riff with corruption BY POLITICIANS. Tell me what is left as a means of reacting to an oppressive government besides rebellion. That rebellion can take any number of forms, and the smart Americans will take great care how they rebel.
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We the citizens must rebel but sedition is legal it is in the Second Amendment as written by the founders and fothers of this country for just such a cause as this when the present government becomes tyrannical we must overthrow it with our state militia's.

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Sep 25, 2013 18:12:39   #
Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State
 
AuntiE wrote:
You do realize sedition is illegal?


Not that I am agreeing with a military overthrow of the government, but is it REALLY sedition, if the person sitting in the WH is an ILLEGAL President?

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Sep 25, 2013 19:44:47   #
GaryMickel1955
 
Nuclearian wrote:
Not that I am agreeing with a military overthrow of the government, but is it REALLY sedition, if the person sitting in the WH is an ILLEGAL President?


You expect him to leave the WH when he wants to be the first dicator of this country if we do not leave the union or rebel against the federal govenment or have a revolution against it how else do we stop him. The Senate will not impeach him as they are democrats too the house can only do so much with them being rebublican Sedition is written in the constitution as a right for states to leave if the feds are tyrants and I call forcing Obamcare and tryingto infring on the second amendment pretty tyrannical acts not to mention the amount of money he has gone through since becoming president he acts like he is a king already and his wife is right there with him spending in the french riviara buying from highly expensive shops for clothes etc.

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Sep 25, 2013 19:56:39   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
If changes can't be made with in the system the system will die. If peaceful actions do not work. the mess will be too great to overcome. Check out how the police are being armed to step in when any group will try to be heard. No matter what you think any real threat from massed people will result in a police state.

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Sep 25, 2013 20:01:08   #
GaryMickel1955
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
If changes can't be made with in the system the system will die. If peaceful actions do not work. the mess will be too great to overcome. Check out how the police are being armed to step in when any group will try to be heard. No matter what you think any real threat from massed people will result in a police state.


So we die, we will die with Obamacare anyway might as well die with some dignity left.

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Sep 25, 2013 21:07:06   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
GaryMickel1955 wrote:
You expect him to leave the WH when he wants to be the first dicator of this country if we do not leave the union or rebel against the federal govenment or have a revolution against it how else do we stop him. The Senate will not impeach him as they are democrats too the house can only do so much with them being rebublican Sedition is written in the constitution as a right for states to leave if the feds are tyrants and I call forcing Obamcare and tryingto infring on the second amendment pretty tyrannical acts not to mention the amount of money he has gone through since becoming president he acts like he is a king already and his wife is right there with him spending in the french riviara buying from highly expensive shops for clothes etc.
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for whatever reason 'power' is now a 4 letter word. there are 2 societies in this country...traditional and the one that was hatched some 40 years ago. came from out west...wouldn'tcha know it! one is writen in stone(traditional) and the other is socialist. my question is...what side would the armes services take?

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Sep 25, 2013 22:12:07   #
Blue Flu Loc: HHI
 
The Union is fragmenting more and more daily. Things haven't been this bad since the eve of the Civil War.
It appears the Democrats will continue to profit from the changing demographics much to the discomfort of those clinging to conservative values. Instead of a military takeover which would lead to disaster, why not a loose confederation of States? A State would have the power to reject/disregard Federal guidelines on any existing law. Be it same sex marriage or the saying of a simple prayer at the beginning of a public school day.
We are heading for a revolution. Just pray it's bloodless.

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Sep 25, 2013 22:30:09   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Blue Flu wrote:
The Union is fragmenting more and more daily. Things haven't been this bad since the eve of the Civil War.
It appears the Democrats will continue to profit from the changing demographics much to the discomfort of those clinging to conservative values. Instead of a military takeover which would lead to disaster, why not a loose confederation of States? A State would have the power to reject/disregard Federal guidelines on any existing law. Be it same sex marriage or the saying of a simple prayer at the beginning of a public school day.
We are heading for a revolution. Just pray it's bloodless.
The Union is fragmenting more and more daily. Thin... (show quote)

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You're right about the daily fragmentation of our union. What makes me really, really mad is that it is totally politically driven by the movers and shakers in politics.

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Sep 26, 2013 00:10:52   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
cesspool jones wrote:
for whatever reason 'power' is now a 4 letter word. there are 2 societies in this country...traditional and the one that was hatched some 40 years ago. came from out west...wouldn'tcha know it! one is writen in stone(traditional) and the other is socialist. my question is...what side would the armes services take?


Is there any doubt of the side the army would take? It is the side of money.

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