Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Obama is good at one thing only. Campaingning while appealing to peoples' basest emotions. Greed, envy and hatred.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Yup.

VladimirPee

In my town the ERs are filled with illegals who don't pay. Obamacare won't solve this

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

That is a cause for concern. I say the leaders we have choose to seek making messes out of any thing they put their hands on.

When Congress tries to solve one problem they make at least one more.

These laws seem to satisfy those that say whats in it for me or nothing in it is for me so I won't support it.

Homestead

Before you get all, "gushy," about having coverage, maybe you ought to listen to someone that has to use it!

How Obamacare is Hurting My Family with Chronically Ill Kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHd5qTHktA


Here's Herman Cain's take on Obama Care:

ObamaCare's redistribution of health and death
Published by: Herman Cain


The way ObamaCare works is disturbingly similar to the tax code. That is not good.

Most people and businesses clearly understand, now, how ObamaCare redistributes the cost of health insurance and the cost of health care. It does it with a plethora of rules, taxes and penalties.

But little attention has been given to how these same rules, penalties and taxes also redistribute health, sickness and death. Maybe it is because it's a sensitive subject, or maybe it might cause the PC police to declare a full attack on anyone who would use such provocative narrative. That's what happened, after all, when Sarah Palin was crucified by the mainstream media for correctly identifying "death panels" in ObamaCare.

Well, bring it on, PC police! The truth shall set some people free!

When the "death panel" (also known as the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB) decides whether you are allowed a procedure or not, they are deciding whether your chance of survival is worth the cost in their opinion. If they say no then you die sooner than maybe later.

When the cost of insuring the uninsurable is spread across everybody that buys insurance, rather than a dedicated subsidized pool, somebody's coverage is going to be denied or delayed because they are forced to buy less expensive insurance coverage if they cannot afford to pay more for their insurance. Just like minor car accident claims, people might ignore minor ailments to keep their rates from going up.

In my own personal case, a minor ailment wich I thought was acidity from coffee turned out to be stage four cancer. Because I was able to get diagnosed and treated on my timetable instead of the government's, and at the expense of my insurance coverage and my out of pocket expenses, my 30 percent chance of survival turned into now seven years of being cancer-free!

When someone is notified that their Medicare insurance will no longer cover certain medications, such as the cost of their insulin medication, that person is forced to choose between paying their bills or staying alive.

Many doctors have announced that they can no longer afford to take new Medicare patients because of cuts in Medicare payments to doctors. These patients can't just find another doctor who will take Medicare patients because chances are that they can't take anymore either. As a result, some people will not get medical assistance until their condition is an emergency from waiting too long, or until they are on their death bed.

Rural communities will be especially negatively impacted by a shortage of doctors who will see Medicare patients, because rural communities tend to have more Medicare-eligible patients. A majority of Medicare payments means most of a doctor's revenue is coming from Medicare payments made by Uncle Sam, which is not sufficient to sustain a financially viable medical practice.

As a result, doctors will relocate to more lucrative areas and people living in rural areas will have to travel farther to get medical care, or they will not be able to get treatment at all. Thus, illnesses will advance more quickly, thus reducing survival rates.

The U.S. tax code redistributes wealth and income, and one does not have to be rich to be subjected to our archaic, punitive and complex system. The more you make, the more they (the bureaucrats) take from you using the force of law. That's why we must change the law by replacing the tax code.

ObamaCare works in much the same way. It confiscates the entire cost structure and dynamics of our health care and health insurance system, as well as life and death decisions that should be made by individuals and their family members. ObamaCare also commandeers decisions that should be made by doctors, by denying payment for certain diagnostic procedures deemed unnecessary by, again, government bureaucrats.

Sticker shock causes people to wake up to the truth about the cost of ObamaCare, which is nothing like the promises made by its advocates. They can buy less insurance coverage with the same dollars, as most people will be forced to do, or pay more for the same coverage, or be forced to buy more coverage with more dollars to meet minimum requirements of ObamaCare.

But when people are denied or wait too long for a medical treatment due to rules, taxes and penalties, the medical condition can't be quickly reversed or cured after waiting on a bureaucrat to say yes or no.

If the government says yes, a person's chances of survival are already reduced. If they say no, well, you just might die sooner rather than later.

vernon

so you want to start slavery all over .a student in med school has to look toward 8to 12 yrs of school then internship for 4 yrs plus looking atleast 1iml in tuiton now you want to work them for nothing

Mikki Loc: Ohio

Homestead-Very good article and such a sad video. Disgraceful when a family takes care of sick kids for years and now has to deal with all of this. Obamacare came out first with the goodies to pull people in such as keeping a kid on your insurance until 26 and covering preexisting conditions. Sounds good doesn't it? In January the bad will begin to happen, if it hasn't already as it has to this family. Prices will go up so no one can afford insurance after this begins. That is what Obama wants because he can then go to a nationalized health care run strictly by the govt. Don't know how true it is, but I just read that Romneycare in Mass. has gone from a 30 day wait to a 50 day wait to see a doctor. If anyone lives in that state it would be good to hear from you. The main difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that the people in Mass. wanted it. There is a total of 20 new taxes in Obamacare. The IRS was just given 500 million dollars to enforce it. They can't run the IRS right so how can they run health insurance for millions of people?

vernon

i hear all these horror stories about their ins but i have to tell about mine. the company pays for my coverage which is 5 $ for primary doc and 20$ for a specialist im currently getting epedoural shots in my back about every 3 mos and its just a 20 $ charge so i cant complian.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

You have hit just what I think the whole thing was aimed at from the beginning. Now many people, especially unions are seeing what it is doing to us.

Homestead

Romney Care, is actually Hilary Care, which became ObamaCare.
What Romney Care is doing to the state of Massachusetts is bankrupting it.
To track down how it's doing it becomes very convoluted.
They play with the numbers and hide the expenses. I've only seen a couple of people who have tried to map it out, but, they lost me. Hannity remarked on it once, but I never heard him talk about it again.

One of the things that's burying the expense is the explosion of give away programs. The expenses of the state keep climbing and so do the taxes which is hammering the economy. A lot of people have just given up and left, but, the freeloaders don't leave, if fact we have more moving in to get the handouts. In the meantime we have an Obama-bot for a governor.

Nothing good is happening in Massachusetts, but, I don't think we will get to the bottom of it until the bottom drops out.

Homestead

You will, because, in Obama care there was, "the employer mandate," which is not going to be implemented until after the 2014 elections.
What does that have to do with you?.........Here's a little taste from Rush.


By Rush Limbaugh:
Regime Postpones Obamacare Employer Mandate Until After the 2014 Elections
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/07/03/regime_postpones_obamacare_employer_mandate_until_after_the_2014_elections
RUSH: Besides kicking the Obamacare negatives past the midterm elections, there's something else going on here, folks. The individual mandate survives. So while your employer, the place you work will not be mandated to provide you health insurance, you're still gonna be required to have it. Your employer, by the way, can use this year to cancel. If your employer wants to, your employer can say, "Sayonara." They can get out of this now. That's right.

Businesses can now kick everybody out of their plans and not pay a penalty, which will then force all of you to the Obama exchanges, which is what Obama wants ultimately anyway because the exchanges are the government. So this is a twofer for Obama. He's not gonna run the risk of having the implementation of this bill be harmful to the Democrats before the election, and it actually speeds up his ultimate dream -- that being the government being sole provider, single payer, single source, of everybody for health care.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Geez...I just assumed that was blatantly obvious to everybody.

VladimirPee

Vernon

I went through 5 years of hell with my brother. He was diabetic. By age 55 he lost an eye. Then the circulation in his feet and 3 toes removed. By age 57 they took his leg below the knee. Then his kidneys went and he was on dialysis. Then the toes on the other foot. Eventually his heart started to weaken and at age 60 he passed. All total he spend 3 years of his last 5 in a hospital bed or rehab center. I am sure it added up to millions of dollars. Never once did his private insurance company refuse treatment or try to kick him off. Never had one problem.

donc711 Loc: North East Kansas

What's changed? Oh we have drones, high tech field glasses for our boots on the ground guys. Missiles of various kinds, and so on and so on. So tell me why do we have servicemen coming home in boxes, coming home permanently handicapped from loss of limbs and mental trauma? War has advanced to such a stage we don't have to draft anyone. We have people standing in line to enlist. But plenty of enlistees are looking for a paycheck a place to live and something to eat. Obama has created lots of work almost all part time low paying.

We get by with fewer boots on the ground because we are not in a fight to win. We haven't been since Korea. Want a rundown on our war history. I was in during the Korean police action. Oh our boots on the ground have better battle gear Bullet resistant vests. IED resistant vehicles but still get shoot up and blown up. War sure has changed. if you believe that then sign up and visit foreign countries at government expense. It's so romantic.

VladimirPee

You still need a certain number of ships to cover the high seas. One high tech ship in the Pacific does not replace 2 older ships if one is in the Atlantic and One in the Pacific. Romney let Obama off on that comment