Old_Gringo wrote:
Islam is nit a religion, it is a cult.
Really? And the difference is?
4430
Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
If Atheist really believe there is no God why do they care so much about stamping Christianity out of the public arena ?
My take on their reasoning is they really do believe there is a higher power but they don't want to admit nor accept it as they'd rather live without any do and don't requirements for moral conduct .
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
When the public accepts that atheists are not a religion, and the constitution grants atheists "freedom from religion," to suppress religious expression because they don't want to hear it. What did you expect?
Yes, I'm sure this is exactly what the Founders had in mind when the Constitution was was penned. :roll:
BigMike wrote:
Yes, I'm sure this is exactly what the Founders had in mind when the Constitution was was penned. :roll:
Why don't you explain what you think I have said. Since I didn't express an opinion on what the constitution says, only what the public has accepted that the constitution says.
So your statement, even taken as sarcasm, is off point.
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Really? And the difference is?
Of course, atheism isn't cultish at all. Right?
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
"Antimatter" Yeah. That's your new goal: Lose the label, because your religion is against God, only in the sense that most other religion is for God.
You call atheism a religion. What do you believe is the foundation of (atheism)? I am a realist and we don't start wars and we don't hate, dislike, and do not care about someone else's belief.... and if I don't thank a god that my label should be a heathen. Whatever! So be it...that is a claim from religion and doesn't bother me.
I'm not against gods, but I am not for gods either, I am for reality, actuality....what happens on a daily basis....if I were given facts that there was a god I would believe in a god.
We human beings having an awareness and consciousness have to believe and rightly so that there was a power greater than us that created everything so we give it a masculine image (never a female)and a voice as well and even make Him a personal God that is prayed to to win a ballgame. Now if there is someone else praying for the opposing team one is going to be disappointed because his prayer didn't work.
You could conclude that I definitely do not believe in a PERSONAL God. I laugh at the thought that if I were to believe that He created all things and had time to listen to me? WOW!
All religions have a basic dogma that a power greater than they have provided (created) everything.
I take aim at Pat Robinson that will blame the people affected by a natural catastrophic event....that they have sinned because they have a different religion. To me that is sick. Hypothetically, if nobody sinned that there would be no tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.? He relieves a lot of people of their money with the garbage that he spews out to them.
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Why don't you explain what you think I have said. Since I didn't express an opinion on what the constitution says, only what the public has accepted that the constitution says.
So your statement, even taken as sarcasm, is off point.
"freedom from religion," to suppress religious expression because they don't want to hear it.These were your words and I surely saw that you think atheists have the right to suppress religious expression because of the 1st Amendment. I wonder how long atheists have been interpreting the amendment the way you say.
4430
Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
dville wrote:
You call atheism a religion. What do you believe is the foundation of (atheism)?
.if I were given facts that there was a god I would believe in a god.
I take aim at Pat Robinson that will blame the people affected by a natural catastrophic event....that they have sinned because they have a different religion.
Actually one has to only compare the scripture to history and study the data that the archeologist have been discovering for years !
As a Christian I have to agree with you on Pat Robertson far as I'm concerned he way out in left field on most everything
dville wrote:
You call atheism a religion. What do you believe is the foundation of (atheism)? I am a realist and we don't start wars and we don't hate, dislike, and do not care about someone else's belief.... and if I don't thank a god that my label should be a heathen. Whatever! So be it...that is a claim from religion and doesn't bother me.
I'm not against gods, but I am not for gods either, I am for reality, actuality....what happens on a daily basis....if I were given facts that there was a god I would believe in a god.
We human beings having an awareness and consciousness have to believe and rightly so that there was a power greater than us that created everything so we give it a masculine image (never a female)and a voice as well and even make Him a personal God that is prayed to to win a ballgame. Now if there is someone else praying for the opposing team one is going to be disappointed because his prayer didn't work.
You could conclude that I definitely do not believe in a PERSONAL God. I laugh at the thought that if I were to believe that He created all things and had time to listen to me? WOW!
All religions have a basic dogma that a power greater than they have provided (created) everything.
I take aim at Pat Robinson that will blame the people affected by a natural catastrophic event....that they have sinned because they have a different religion. To me that is sick. Hypothetically, if nobody sinned that there would be no tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.? He relieves a lot of people of their money with the garbage that he spews out to them.
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I used a different, but equally viable, dictionary definition of "religion."
If you don't care what someone else believes, what is the purpose of your comment?
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Christians are only a race in the most generic sense of human, and maybe not even that. But Jews, while some subscribe to lifestyle, are a people, a group according to their religious teachings chosen/favored by God. Regardless of what a Jew believes they remain Jews for several generations. If a Christian ceases to believe, he or she ceases at that point to be a Christian. Does that distinction seem of no account to you?
A Jew who doesn't believe in God remains, very much a Jew. A Christian who doesn't believe in God, is Christian in what manner? None whatsoever.
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Pretty confusing, there, Greatorex. Why would someone who doesn't believe in God call themselves Christian?
Who decides when someone ceases to be anything? You?
Universities/colleges are hotbeds of prejudice against Christians, and all moral people, for that matter. It's "Go left or leave". There is one University, here in Michigan,--Hillsdale College--where students can still receive a good, constitution-based education. They don't take Federal funds, so they don't have to follow the revised History curricula most follow today. If my children were still college age, I'd try to send them there.
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
faithistheword wrote:
Pretty confusing, there, Greatorex. Why would someone who doesn't believe in God call themselves Christian?
Who decides when someone ceases to be anything? You?
Universities/colleges are hotbeds of prejudice against Christians, and all moral people, for that matter. It's "Go left or leave". There is one University, here in Michigan,--Hillsdale College--where students can still receive a good, constitution-based education. They don't take Federal funds, so they don't have to follow the revised History curricula most follow today. If my children were still college age, I'd try to send them there.
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Progs surely aren't going to allow their kids to get near Hillsdale. They really don't believe that no college doesn't take money from the federal government and surely don't want their kids to hear what comes from the mouths of professors in that college. I have taken part in some of their online classes just to see if they really do what they claim, and sure enough, they do.
faithistheword wrote:
Pretty confusing, there, Greatorex. Why would someone who doesn't believe in God call themselves Christian?
Who decides when someone ceases to be anything? You?
Universities/colleges are hotbeds of prejudice against Christians, and all moral people, for that matter. It's "Go left or leave". There is one University, here in Michigan,--Hillsdale College--where students can still receive a good, constitution-based education. They don't take Federal funds, so they don't have to follow the revised History curricula most follow today. If my children were still college age, I'd try to send them there.
Pretty confusing, there, Greatorex. Why would som... (
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You are quite right about Hillsdale College. It is a fine, Conservative leaning College. It derives all it's income from private sources of like minded people. I am proud to say I am a donor, though admittedly a very small donor. They espouse my beliefs.
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Why don't you explain what you think I have said. Since I didn't express an opinion on what the constitution says, only what the public has accepted that the constitution says.
So your statement, even taken as sarcasm, is off point.
It is a lament on what the "public has accepted".
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I used a different, but equally viable, dictionary definition of "religion."
If you don't care what someone else believes, what is the purpose of your comment?
What someone else believes is none off my business. It is not a part of my discourse through life it is theirs and neither should my way of life be any of someone elses business.
In my opinion and I am sure I would have many that agree ....if we didn't get concerned about someone else's beliefs and respect their decision we would have a much happier world.
My daughter is a very devout Christian married and had 8 children and a very beautiful family that loves brothers and sisters. I couldn't be happier as a father, grand father and great grand father. We have an understanding about our differences and it does not get in the way of our relationship. If only the many religions could respect their differences what a wonderful world we would have,
Look it WE all know DNA invented itself over + over a septillion times to the 10 power times a billion life forms here on this accidentally perfect Earth in this accidentally perfect solar system in multiple millions of way. So why fight it anyhow, your just an accident too! So what that an amoeba is so far incalculably complex compared to a super computer as to be a god, "what difference does it make"? And just because right this second millions + millions of individually activated processes are going on in your body, fully integrating with one another in unfathomable complexity and appearing to be undoubtedly miraculous; it just ain't so!!! And by the way, living in the 3rd dimension proves there are no other higher ones, I don't see'em. And Romans 1:20-5 is just plain stupid.
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