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Aug 27, 2013 07:59:15   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
carolyn wrote:
I should have said "race," so you got me on that one. But you had to stoop to a typo to win anything at all because the definition of pacifist is the opposition to the use of force under ANY condition. So your pacifists in our government are evidently too cowardly to use the force necessary to rid us of the cancer called illegal aliens. Even though they are costing this country an estimated $100 billion a year or more.


The actual figure is around 84 billion (2010). This does not take into account an estimated 50+ billion per year sent back to their home countries, rather than spent here.

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Aug 27, 2013 08:04:52   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
tato wrote:
Thus you want to use force on people coming here to make a better life for themselves and their families? Mow 'em down with machine guns? That vast majority of these people are not drug smugglers, rapists, robbers etc.


No, but the vast majority are leeches. Eligible or not, most illegal Hispanics receive government assistance of some sort. In some areas the figure is over 90 percent. (Los Angeles County). Your attempt to paint these parasites as some sort of starry eyed immigrants in search of the "American Dream" flies in the face of reality. Your statement that the vast majority are not criminals is false. Every single one is a criminal, by virtue of being on US soil illegally. In their home countries, these offenses are serious felonies. Perhaps our immigration law should mirror those of Mexico.

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Aug 27, 2013 09:25:26   #
tato Loc: San Diego
 
carolyn wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about when you say the "vast majority" of these criminals are not criminals, diseased, drug addicts or sex fiends. If this was so, why is our medical system so overwhelmed by these illegals? And why are so many of these illegals always involved in illicit drug trafficking if they are not addicts or involved with addicts? And why are there so many of these dregs in prison for sex crimes on both adults and children? They have cost American taxpayers to the tune of over ONE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. And they flouted at our immigration laws, both federal and constitutional, which automatically makes them criminals.

So if you want to completely sponsor any of these outlaws, then do so. But I don't think anyone, not even our government, should be making decisions about allowing these dregs into our country to take advantage of what we have worked so hard to achieve. All this accomplishes is to make jobs harder for Americans to find because so many of these wetbacks are drawing welfare while working under the table for far less that an American can afford to work at and keep a household intact.

These are facts that very few of you lefties ever consider. But it is true. I have another thread coming up that tells the story about how the American household is making less now during the so-called post-recession "recovery" than they did during the recession itself. And I know you wont accept the fact that your darling wetback criminals are partly to blame.
You do not know what you are talking about when yo... (show quote)


The vast majority of people in this country illegally are NOT criminals, diseased, drug addicts, or sex offenders. Where you get your information is unknown, probably generated in your head. Illegals, like everyone else, get sick or injured; maybe that's why they go to the ER. They go to the ER because they have no health insurance.

What is your definition of "so many" being involved one way or the other with drugs? 1%? 35?

"And why are SO MANY of these dregs in prison for sex crimes"? How many are "so many" 1%, 3%?

Drugs are smuggled into the U.S. because there is a large market for them. Americans want drugs, someone supplies them. If we didn't buy and use them, there would be no drug smuggling.

Welfare, whether food stamps, or or any other form, is not available to non legal residents. You must be a citizen, or a legal resident, to draw on these funds. Once again, look it up. It's always wise to know what you are talkng about before shooting your mouth off.

As to the Bush recession, it was the most severe downturn since the Great Depression in the 30's. When Bush left office, we were losing 750k jobs a month. We are now adding 200k a month. Not enough, but better than losing jobs.

And , yes, Americans are just dying to pick grapes in 105 degree weather and they can't wait to make completely make 25 beds from "scratch" in some hotel. Try it some time; strip your bed, and then re make it. Do that 25 or 30 times, and imagine making $7.25/ hour to do so.

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Aug 27, 2013 16:45:23   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
tato wrote:
The vast majority of people in this country illegally are NOT criminals, diseased, drug addicts, or sex offenders. Where you get your information is unknown, probably generated in your head. Illegals, like everyone else, get sick or injured; maybe that's why they go to the ER. They go to the ER because they have no health insurance.

What is your definition of "so many" being involved one way or the other with drugs? 1%? 35?

"And why are SO MANY of these dregs in prison for sex crimes"? How many are "so many" 1%, 3%?

Drugs are smuggled into the U.S. because there is a large market for them. Americans want drugs, someone supplies them. If we didn't buy and use them, there would be no drug smuggling.

Welfare, whether food stamps, or or any other form, is not available to non legal residents. You must be a citizen, or a legal resident, to draw on these funds. Once again, look it up. It's always wise to know what you are talkng about before shooting your mouth off.

As to the Bush recession, it was the most severe downturn since the Great Depression in the 30's. When Bush left office, we were losing 750k jobs a month. We are now adding 200k a month. Not enough, but better than losing jobs.

And , yes, Americans are just dying to pick grapes in 105 degree weather and they can't wait to make completely make 25 beds from "scratch" in some hotel. Try it some time; strip your bed, and then re make it. Do that 25 or 30 times, and imagine making $7.25/ hour to do so.
The vast majority of people in this country illega... (show quote)


At one time, I did worse for less.

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Aug 27, 2013 21:03:08   #
carolyn
 
banjojack wrote:
The actual figure is around 84 billion (2010). This does not take into account an estimated 50+ billion per year sent back to their home countries, rather than spent here.


It might have been $84 billion in 2010, but it is OVER $100 billion now.

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Aug 27, 2013 21:33:45   #
tato Loc: San Diego
 
banjojack wrote:
At one time, I did worse for less.


What year was that? In 1962 I was making minimum wage-$1.00/ hour.

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Aug 27, 2013 22:01:17   #
carolyn
 
tato wrote:
The vast majority of people in this country illegally are NOT criminals, diseased, drug addicts, or sex offenders. Where you get your information is unknown, probably generated in your head. Illegals, like everyone else, get sick or injured; maybe that's why they go to the ER. They go to the ER because they have no health insurance.

What is your definition of "so many" being involved one way or the other with drugs? 1%? 35?

"And why are SO MANY of these dregs in prison for sex crimes"? How many are "so many" 1%, 3%?

Drugs are smuggled into the U.S. because there is a large market for them. Americans want drugs, someone supplies them. If we didn't buy and use them, there would be no drug smuggling.

Welfare, whether food stamps, or or any other form, is not available to non legal residents. You must be a citizen, or a legal resident, to draw on these funds. Once again, look it up. It's always wise to know what you are talkng about before shooting your mouth off.

As to the Bush recession, it was the most severe downturn since the Great Depression in the 30's. When Bush left office, we were losing 750k jobs a month. We are now adding 200k a month. Not enough, but better than losing jobs.

And , yes, Americans are just dying to pick grapes in 105 degree weather and they can't wait to make completely make 25 beds from "scratch" in some hotel. Try it some time; strip your bed, and then re make it. Do that 25 or 30 times, and imagine making $7.25/ hour to do so.
The vast majority of people in this country illega... (show quote)

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Aug 27, 2013 22:10:06   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
tato wrote:
What year was that? In 1962 I was making minimum wage-$1.00/ hour.


Check your post. You quoted a figure of $7.25/hour. In 1966, I did odd jobs for as little as $1.50/hour. I believe minimum wage at that time was $1.65.

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Aug 27, 2013 22:22:32   #
Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
 
I like how these lefties play with some really fuzzy math with facts and figures.

Your words may convey something sensible (if there was any to be had) but your numbers reek of distortion.

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Aug 27, 2013 23:20:54   #
tato Loc: San Diego
 
banjojack wrote:
Check your post. You quoted a figure of $7.25/hour. In 1966, I did odd jobs for as little as $1.50/hour. I believe minimum wage at that time was $1.65.


I was working in a grocery store, a major chain, as a teen in the early 60's for $1.00 p.h. The $1.50 you made doing odd jobs is worth what today? It's purchasing power is $10.50-$11.00 p.h., maybe more.

In 1966 bacon was .79/lb;Campbell's Soup,6 cans/.89;Swanson frozen chicken pies were .29; margarine was.31/lb. Your $1.50 an hour was worth a great deal more than $7.25/hr is today. And doing odd jobs doesn't compare to making 25+ beds in a hotel. I thought you were going to say you cleaned outhouses from top to bottom with gloves.

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Aug 27, 2013 23:21:22   #
tato Loc: San Diego
 
tato wrote:
I was working in a grocery store, a major chain, as a teen in the early 60's for $1.00 p.h. The $1.50 you made doing odd jobs is worth what today? It's purchasing power is $10.50-$11.00 p.h., maybe more.

In 1966 bacon was .79/lb;Campbell's Soup,6 cans/.89;Swanson frozen chicken pies were .29; margarine was.31/lb. Your $1.50 an hour was worth a great deal more than $7.25/hr is today. And doing odd jobs doesn't compare to making 25+ beds in a hotel. I thought you were going to say you cleaned outhouses from top to bottom with your bare hands.
I was working in a grocery store, a major chain, a... (show quote)

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Aug 27, 2013 23:29:32   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
tato wrote:
I was working in a grocery store, a major chain, as a teen in the early 60's for $1.00 p.h. The $1.50 you made doing odd jobs is worth what today? It's purchasing power is $10.50-$11.00 p.h., maybe more.

In 1966 bacon was .79/lb;Campbell's Soup,6 cans/.89;Swanson frozen chicken pies were .29; margarine was.31/lb. Your $1.50 an hour was worth a great deal more than $7.25/hr is today. And doing odd jobs doesn't compare to making 25+ beds in a hotel. I thought you were going to say you cleaned outhouses from top to bottom with gloves.
I was working in a grocery store, a major chain, a... (show quote)


Nope, You got hired first. There is little difference between $1/hour in '62, and $1.50 in '66. If you think farm work is easier than making beds, think again.

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Aug 27, 2013 23:31:34   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
banjojack wrote:
Nope, You got hired first.


She failed the employment test.

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Aug 27, 2013 23:48:33   #
carolyn
 
tato wrote:
The vast majority of people in this country illegally are NOT criminals, diseased, drug addicts, or sex offenders. Where you get your information is unknown, probably generated in your head. Illegals, like everyone else, get sick or injured; maybe that's why they go to the ER. They go to the ER because they have no health insurance.

What is your definition of "so many" being involved one way or the other with drugs? 1%? 35?

"And why are SO MANY of these dregs in prison for sex crimes"? How many are "so many" 1%, 3%?

Drugs are smuggled into the U.S. because there is a large market for them. Americans want drugs, someone supplies them. If we didn't buy and use them, there would be no drug smuggling.

Welfare, whether food stamps, or or any other form, is not available to non legal residents. You must be a citizen, or a legal resident, to draw on these funds. Once again, look it up. It's always wise to know what you are talkng about before shooting your mouth off.

As to the Bush recession, it was the most severe downturn since the Great Depression in the 30's. When Bush left office, we were losing 750k jobs a month. We are now adding 200k a month. Not enough, but better than losing jobs.

And , yes, Americans are just dying to pick grapes in 105 degree weather and they can't wait to make completely make 25 beds from "scratch" in some hotel. Try it some time; strip your bed, and then re make it. Do that 25 or 30 times, and imagine making $7.25/ hour to do so.
The vast majority of people in this country illega... (show quote)


Oh for God's sake. How can you twist percentages around so greatly to fit your illegal agenda? There are too many illegals in our prisons. Whether they are in for raping a little boy or girl, or for murdering an American makes no difference. The fact remains that there are too many of these dregs in our prisons that taxpayers have to support.

It is now known that pregnant wetbacks sneak across our borders to take advantage of having a nationalized brat that they can use as an excuse to remain here legally.

So now you try and blame the American drug users for the pepperguts sneaking illegal drugs into our country. This is about as reasonable as blaming manufacturers of matches for all fatal fires.

You are dead wrong when you say Welfare and all it's freebies are not available to illegals. Where have you been that you would suck up this crap ? You don't know what you are talking about when you spout this BS.

I believe I know what your problem is. I believe you are an illegal and are trying to BS your way into convincing some of us into believing you. But you will never succeed on that plan because by now we all know you are a illegal lover and probably are a bona-fide illegal criminal.

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Aug 27, 2013 23:56:47   #
carolyn
 
tato wrote:
What year was that? In 1962 I was making minimum wage-$1.00/ hour.


That was top[ wages in Mexico at that time, wasn't it?

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