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Apr 28, 2024 16:26:20   #
billlingle
 
LindaK wrote:
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You sure are wordy for a guy who got everything wrong. It is more common to some fact be mentioned in a screed of this length. I must commend you for being able to write something this voluminous and be able to totally avoid fact.

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Apr 28, 2024 16:26:30   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Jim0001 wrote:
"Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern."

does Obama's bitter clingers Hillary's insults and Biden's comments not count? Obama is the most divisive president in America's history. Saul Alinsky would be proud.


Amen.

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Apr 28, 2024 16:30:51   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
How many times Linda must we repeat the facts for you.. yes.. the SC halted Joes plan for loan forgiveness, what Joe did was perhaps above the thinking limit for the right wing orange troops... he used existing law, much of which had been relegated to gather dust in anticipation of a larger more encompassing action.. and the forgiveness done is fully in compliance with the existing laws.. so Joe is NOT violating any laws with the loan forgiveness program now moving slowly in America.. Joe is OK..

By the way, I am not a strong advocate of the loan forgiveness, but I am concerned about the extreme cost of higher education.. from college to trades,, full training needs to be available to all americans.. how to do it is a difficult process.... as always..
How many times Linda must we repeat the facts for ... (show quote)


There's no sane reason why Sleepy Joe should saddle the taxpayer for student loan debt. What Crooked Joe is doing is not above the intelligence level of all Americans. We know what it is and that's called Buying Votes.

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Apr 28, 2024 16:37:22   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Justice101 wrote:
There's no sane reason why Sleepy Joe should saddle the taxpayer for student loan debt. What Crooked Joe is doing is not above the intelligence level of all Americans. We know what it is and that's called Buying Votes.


Yes, buying votes illegally.

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Apr 28, 2024 16:51:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
[quote=Justice101]There's no sane reason why Sleepy Joe should saddle the taxpayer for student loan debt. What Crooked Joe is doing is not above the intelligence level of all Americans. We know what it is and that's called Buying Votes. [/quote


President Biden did not creat nor bypass and laws.. the process of the loan forgiveness he used was on the law books for decades..

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Apr 28, 2024 16:57:55   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
[quote=permafrost][quote=Justice101]There's no sane reason why Sleepy Joe should saddle the taxpayer for student loan debt. What Crooked Joe is doing is not above the intelligence level of all Americans. We know what it is and that's called Buying Votes. [/quote


President Biden did not creat nor bypass and laws.. the process of the loan forgiveness he used was on the law books for decades..[/quote]

Regardless, the worthless crooked son-of-a-bitch used taxpayer money to BUY votes.

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Apr 28, 2024 17:02:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
Regardless, the worthless crooked son-of-a-bitch used taxpayer money to BUY votes.


LOL,,, that has never been done before.. are you complimenting Joe for finding a new scam???

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Apr 28, 2024 17:03:49   #
okie don
 
[quote=permafrost][quote=Justice101]There's no sane reason why Sleepy Joe should saddle the taxpayer for student loan debt. What Crooked Joe is doing is not above the intelligence level of all Americans. We know what it is and that's called Buying Votes. [/quote


President Biden did not creat nor bypass and laws.. the process of the loan forgiveness he used was on the law books for decades..[/quote]
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Hey Perma,
You reckon he will pay off my house and car loans?
Hell, just print more fake fiat currency like we send to Ukcraine.
Many wonder why we even pay taxes as it does nothing helping the taxpayers like closing the damn border.

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Apr 28, 2024 17:12:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
okie don wrote:
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Hey Perma,
You reckon he will pay off my house and car loans?
Hell, just print more fake fiat currency like we send to Ukcraine.
Many wonder why we even pay taxes as it does nothing helping the taxpayers like closing the damn border.


Darn it Don... that would not be fair... I do not have a home loan or a car loan to payoff... I need some of that money.. not fair....

Truth be told, these days , nearly every country uses fiat money, backed by the worth and word of the country rather than shiny metal found in the ground..

While the border has been a problem for generations, it will remain so until the two parties find a way to agree on a solution.. if that does not happen, the problem will remain forever..

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Apr 28, 2024 17:13:58   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
NBC polls are conducted by the left. Period. Almost any poll they conduct will show a bias toward that end.

What bias?
The survey asks people who they want to vote for, then they ask what their top two issue are. They put it all together and publish the results. At what point do you see bias becoming an issue?

If there is anything being "conducted by the left" you could say it's the argument that I am making in reference to the poll because that's where MY bias comes in, which is certainly left of where YOU are. I'm telling everyone how *I* am reading it. The poll itself is indifferent.

nice entry though - come out swingin' ;)

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

As for drilling for oil, you should do your homework a little better. By that, I mean do it period rather than rely on what you consider your infallible opinion. Development of a site can take as little as 4 or 5 years, to actual drilling.

I'm not you buzzy... I use a wide range of sources to triangulate. It's different from subscription loyalty. You should try it. As for development, it doesn't matter that it CAN take as little as 4 or 5 years, the average is over 10. And since most of the oil we have left is in reserves that require additional technologies, like fracking, the odds lean heavy on MORE than 10 years.

But why bicker? Let's just say 4 or 5 years... Fine. How long has Biden been in office? When did inflation happen? Excuse me, can 4 or 5 years of development happen in 3 years of Biden policy and can that ALL happen in 2021 when inflation shot up? 'Cause if all that can happen you got a solid theory on how Biden's energy policy caused that inflation!

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

It's like prospecting; the more land (or offshore) that you investigate the more likely you are to find a producing site. Kind of hard to do when Biden has reduced the amount of land leased to a fraction of what it was, and raised the price or royalties by 50%, plus raised minimum bids from $2 to $10/acre.

When Biden took office only 24% of the leases for oil were on federal land. So it's not the end of prospecting little Miss Drama, but he *is* also pushing for more investment in renewable sources of energy. There's going to be a curve. You might be screaming and kicking, but we are continuing down the slope of the oil peak. Not because of Biden, but because it's time. Our energy mix is always evolving, it was wood for the longest time, then coal, then oil and on each turn you had disrupted industries screaming and kicking. All kinds of reports about how coal isn't as good as wood, or how oil is more dangerous than coal... So feel free to rapid fire some links to stories, it doesn't matter, they are the same stories, different day.

Energy is just in too much abundance for us not to figure out how to tap it without having to get it from rocks.

Biden is trimming the sails and you people are freaking out like its the end of the world.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

The last time this small an amount of land was leased was at the end of WWII before there was even such a thing as offshore leases.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-oil-leases-slow-to-a-trickle-under-biden-11662230816

That was a different time... we haven't even hit our oil peak yet.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

As for your claim about adjusted incomes, you really, REALLY should do some research before you type nonsense, unless you just enjoy lying as a means of relaxation.

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-wealthier-under-donald-trump-census-finds-1689002

No wonder you never bother with sources.

I just get tired of posting sources each of the million times I have to explain things to working-class conservatives. The patterns are so familiar now, like the problem with your Newsweek article... Our discussion was about inflation adjusted income the Newsweek article isn't.

I mean... simple things, buzzy... there's income, there's inflation and there's inflation-adjusted income.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Speaking of which, your horse puckey explanation of student loan forgiveness needs some work.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/who-pays-for-student-loan-forgiveness/

OK, well at least there's something to talk about. Just to be clear, my statement was that the only way to deflate is to cancel debt. I only used student debt as an example of an effort to try it. My theory about this is my own... It's under development and it's experimental...

1. Start with the axiom that you inflate the money supply by adding dollars...
2. Make the logical assumption that to reverse the process (deflate) you would need to take dollars out.
3. Add the fractional reserve banking rules that says they only need 10% of what they're going to loan and the rest can be printed out of thin air.
4. Therefore, during the early part of the term when you're paying more in interest than on principle, most of the debt is still made out of new money that has not actually been earned yet. It's real enough to create inflation, but no one has actually worked for it.
5. If this seems weird, it's because it's the Federal Reserve. This only plays out when the member banks are loaning the money. So it happens when the U.S. Treasury borrows the money from the Federal Reserve. When the federal government turns around and loans it to the student the rules change because now the federal government is loaning the money and they don't have that special power to make money out of thin air. Only the Federal Reserve does.

So if the federal government cancels the student debt, it's added to the deficit, then probably piled on the national debt and yes, the tax payers will have to pay for it. The bankers love that. They get all the money for free and the interest probably makes up for the 10% they needed in reserves.

If the federal government can negotiate a debt cancellation with the Federal Reserve... I believe we could deflate the money supply and return value to each dollar. The bankers in the Fed would be the ones eating the debt, but that money was never earned. If they can snap their fingers and make $30,000 appear out of thin air. They can snap their fingers and make $30,000 disappear and nothing earned will have been lost.

'Problem there is all the helicopter/yacht tycoons that LIKE all that new money in the economy, even at deflated values, because they own such large percentages of the total.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Like I said, no wonder you never bother with sources. Why should you when you have your own condescending and mostly incorrect opinions to rely on?

OK, wiseguy - here's why I think your trip about sources is BS. You use sources as a crutch, because you're not smart enough, or too lazy (I don't know which) to actually have this conversation with me using your own brain power. So you search for headlines that YOU think will provide smart answers to my challenges. I can tell because you don't actually make the slightest reference to the content... You don't summarize or explain anything about the article. When I use sources it's to provide a reference to what I am basing my argument on. You don't provide an argument. The ONLY thing you provide is a link to a headline that *seems* relevant.

Don't it personally, it's what I tell everyone that does that.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

In the words of one of my favorite authors, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be twice as smart as you really are.

Oh, is that Dr. Seuss?

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Apr 28, 2024 17:19:12   #
conniemariemays
 
Biden can't even finish a sentence without stumbling or find his way off the stage without help. He is pretty good for a laugh, tho!
If that's what you want for your president, we have a very different plan for America.

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Apr 28, 2024 17:22:07   #
tomhoff24
 
LindaK wrote:
“In jail”. That’s your assessment of a president who worked full time for the American citizens, worked hard to put America back on a track, more favorable to all American citizens, not just the 1/2 Obama, Clinton and now Biden has been willing to help, but ALL Americans.

President Trump who took a loss in his personal wealth for doing so, and those who hate him so much and imo are working hard to totally bankrupt him keeping him wrapped up in courts on non-law breaking issues. They’re doing the same along with anyone else who’s aware of all Trump did accomplish during his short four years in office who would choose all anti-Biden’s and his spending for all except the needs of our own countries citizens. Trump who donated his own salary for charities he/we supported. This is nothing more than their desperate attempt to keep Trump off the campaign trail, or to put it another way, election interference.
“In jail”. That’s your assessment of a president ... (show quote)


Trump’s 2020 tax return showed 0$ toward charities.

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Apr 28, 2024 17:24:27   #
Justice101
 
billlingle wrote:
Biden's difficulties have been primarily concocted, misanalysed, miscommunicated by the media or simply been forwarded through mass media lying. The amazing number of accomplishments that he has brought about are not known by the majority of the country because they intentionally do not get coverage. No one has done more than Biden since FDR and it took FDR over three terms and a World War to get them done.



You are quoting the accomplishments of FDR who wanted to pack the Supreme Court to get his "New Deal" through and he turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies.
In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

Aww. Climate change isn't a bigger threat to National Security than Biden's American Open Border policies and his kowtowing/enabling to Iran and Hamas because he needs the radical Jew hating Islamists' votes in Michigan and Minnesota. His far-left base.

He could have ended the war in Ukraine 2 years ago, but his war mongering donors would be angry.
Spending trillions giving away money in his American Plan (soon after Trump's pandemic relief bill) and after the supply chain had been shut down during the pandemic helped fuel the inflation we have been seeing.

Don't get me started on how badly Biden is doing with our gas prices and monkeying around with our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
When gas prices drop, Biden takes credit. When they increase, Biden never mentions gas prices.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/2976163/gas-prices-continue-to-soar-in-bidens-america/

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Apr 28, 2024 17:30:38   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL,,, that has never been done before.. are you complimenting Joe for finding a new scam???


No, just exposing the Left's continual propensity to lie, chest and steal.

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Apr 28, 2024 17:34:49   #
billlingle
 
LindaK wrote:
That’s after Biden ran it up to 9%. It was much lower during the Trump admin than you falsely claim.



Inflation spiked across the entire planet due to many factors having nothing to do with politics or political policy. Biden, though, was the leader who stood way out in front of the crowd of world leaders in bringing the US to the lowest inflation rate in the industrialized world and in record time. The fact that new immigrants are not being allowed to work and to fill the 9.3 million jobs that are currently unfilled is a hinderance keeping the inflation rate from falling even further. Currently in the US there are fewer unemployed people than there are open jobs. In the past 250 year in this country, immigrants have filled these jobs. This has been the primary reason that the US has grown at the rate that has put it on top of the stack in terms of productivity and growth. Other countries had to rely on their birth rate and kids growing up to fill open positions. The current problems that we are experiencing at the border, most of which are now put on the backs of the republicans in the House of Representatives who refuse to do anything about it, could be mitigated in large part by sending those arriving to locations where those with unfilled jobs that Americans don't want are clamoring for workers. Legality doesn't matter at that point. Immigrants that are working are stable and living in one place making them easy to locate and to monitor. The fact that they need to eat and have a roof means that they are spending the wages being earned, paying social security tax even though they are ineligible to receive the benefits and contributing significantly to the national economy. It's sort of like making lemonade from societies little lemons.
Your savior, Fat Donny the Rapist and his incompetent, disasterous mishandling of the COVID crisis, was one of the major reasons that the economic impact from the pandemic was as sever as it was. Had the Loser won reelection we most likely would be in a depression with Putin as the primary counselor to Fat Donny the Loser. Take a look at Fat Donny's last year. That was when Obama's coattails were eliminated by the pandemic and the Fat Boy was no longer able to keep up his free ride. It was the disaster that Joe Biden, with no help from those who caused the nightmare, who pulled the nation from the brink and brought it to the position of strength where we find it today.

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