What the Top Two Issues For Each Side Tell Us (Page 5): So very true, but the creeps have been pushing the same idea long before President Obama was a factor. they will never stop and...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

straightUp wrote:

Yeah, like how he was born in Kenya... Someone eve... (show quote)

So very true, but the creeps have been pushing the same idea long before President Obama was a factor. they will never stop and the have no intensions to even try..

Smedley_buzkill

straightUp wrote:

I haven't seen this claim before but it sounds lik... (show quote)

I won't dignify "NBC" poll with a rebuttal. As for kneecapping the fossil fuel industry, Biden has leased fewer acres of land than any president in US history.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-oil-leases-slow-to-a-trickle-under-biden-11662230816

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/climate/biden-drilling-federal-lands.html

As for "canceling" student debt... Not one dollar is canceled. Someone, namely the taxpayers, is going to pony up. There ain't no free lunch. The debt is not canceled, just shifted to people who didn't incur it in the first place.

Let us not forget that real wages have fallen under Biden. They have not kept up with price increases to the point where the average family of four makes less money, adjusted for inflation than under Trump. It reminds me of Obama's touting of 2013 employment numbers. He forgot to mention that over 70% of those jobs were part time.

https://www.investopedia.com/inflation-rate-by-year-7253832

okie don

Jim0001 wrote:

We are still experiencing Obama's presidency. This is his third term! Joebama is just the front man.

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Jim,
You probably know this but Saul Alinsky called himself a " Community Organizer" like Obama. Alinsky died in 1972 in California. He grew up in Chicago and reportedly hung out around Mafia type characters.
I just read a 51 page pamphlet written by David Horowitz in 2009. Obama was president in 2008.
A really interesting booklet on Alinsky and Obama.

straightUp Loc: California

Radiance3 wrote:

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1. Your Concern About Abortion

Your solution is overriding the Supreme Court through Congressional legislation to make it permanent abortion for democrat women.

Not just for Democrats, for ANYONE. And it's not forced on anyone either, it's still a choice that can be made by the would-be parents and their doctors.

Radiance3 wrote:

No, abortion is not part of the Constitution. Congress could not legislate to make it into law so your democrat women could kill their babies any time they want.

Congress isn't trying to legislate abortion into law. They are trying to legislate a law that says the states can't legislate a law against it. YOU are the ones trying to force laws on the American family to ban abortion. Roe v Wade said it was unconstitutional to force these laws on us. And yes, Congress has the power to codify that decision and with a 2/3 majority it can even add that to the Constitution.

Radiance3 wrote:

It won’t work. Congress is not constitutionally authorized to prescribe a national abortion regimen.

That's fine, because like I already explained, no one is trying to prescribe a national abortion regimen. That's just your over dramatic exaggeration. Once again... YOU are the tyrants trying to FORCE LAWS on us. We are not the one's doing that. We were fine with a court decision that said it was unconstitutional for YOU to FORCE these LAWS on us and now that's it's been overturned, there are all these LAWS being FORCED on us... by YOU! Not us! YOU!

So, get yer shit straight.

Radiance3 wrote:

First, there is the Tenth Put Amendment, which mandates that all powers not enumerated and delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states.

Is the right for the government to ban abortions on that enumerated list? No? Then why are you trying to FORCE LAWS to ban abortion on the American people if it's not an enumerated power? And how are you so confused that you think our attempts to STOP the government from FORCING these LAWS is a violation of a constitutional provision that actually limits the laws the government can make?

It's very simple... pro-choice is NOT asking for laws, they are asking for the FREEDOM to choice. It's YOUR side that is demanding laws to ban abortions in the state, laws to ban travel for pregnant women seeking abortions in other states. laws to punish doctors for having any affiliation with abortion providers. Again, we were fine with a court decision saying the government can't FORCE all these LAWS on us. But now that it's overturned, we are asking for ONE simple law. Here's how I would like that law to read...

The government shall not impose any laws on the American family to limit reproductive healthcare because that is NOT an enumerated power.

Radiance3 wrote:

And the Supreme Court did the right decision moving the abortion decision to state government.

Whether you think they made the right decision or not doesn't change the fact that YOU are side FORCING all these LAWS on the American family. Personally, I'm OK with the state making this decision, but Texas is going too far with their new travel bans on women trying to leave the state to get an abortion elsewhere.

Radiance3 wrote:

Congress has an expansive power to regulate interstate commerce. But the court has held that the Commerce Clause covers only those activities that are economic in nature and have a substantial effect on interstate markets. Abortion is not economic in nature!

Then STOP trying to regulate it!

Radiance3 wrote:

2. Uniting the Country.
Since Joe Biden came to office 3 years and almost 4 months ago, our country has turned to tyrannic system. The 3 Founding principles do not apply anymore.
The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.

If the Constitution doesn't apply anymore, why are you using it to support your arguments? Seriously, why do you people say such idiot things?

And why would the Declaration of Independence "apply" anymore? We're already independent, we don't need to declare it anymore. The only thing that document applies to now is our history.

Radiance3 wrote:

The two-tiered Justice system.
Joe Biden has violated so many parts of the Constitution usurping the power that do not belong to him.
He violated and by-passed decisions made by the Supreme Court.

Such as?

Radiance3 wrote:

Biden does not enforce the laws that are instituted and provided in the Constitution. Example of this is the Immigration laws. He violated that provision by opening wide the border allowing all enemies of the world to come in invade and kill us. Muslim terrorists are now inside.

The Constitution doesn't say anything about immigration. There are NO immigration laws in the Constitution. You morons keep bringing this up where you just flap you hand around and say "yeah, some law, somewhere"... You don't even know.

Biden didn't violate anything at the border. He is dealing with a massive influx of immigrants that our system can't handle, that's what the problem is. He didn't "open" the border either, Trump closed the border because he was told too. Title 42 says the border needs to be closed during a pandemic. When the pandemic was over the imposition was lifted automatically and Biden just happened to be in office by then.

If anything, we should be blaming Trump for slapping those sanctions on Venezuela which forced all those people to look for greener pastures. It's mostly his fault for creating the influx.

Radiance3 wrote:

He does not enforce the duties assigned for the Executive branch. Number one is to protect and defend the Constitution and the people. But he allowed millions of people from enemy countries to come in and now causing harms killing our people and havoc to our country.

First of all, why do you racists keep referring to them as illegal immigrants of you're saying Biden is "letting them in" Immigration isn't illegal if the president allows it. So at least get your cruddy story straight.

Secondly, on a per-capita basis, immigrants are far less prone to crime than U.S. citizens are, so don't even give me that crap about how this is an invasion of people trying to kill us.

Radiance3 wrote:

3. Inflation
Biden is the worst president of the United States that brought the US economy to the bottom and made people suffer the highest inflation in history.

The massive spending and using money to buy votes of the people has brought our National Debts to the highest now at $34.97 trillion. IMF has warned that this could not sustain US economy, further, otherwise the US dollar could be finally replaced by other currencies like the BRICS.

Biden did not cause the inflation to happen and I've explained this too many times on this site to people who have no clue what inflation is other than it's effect on our budgets and that you want to blame Biden for it.

The national debt has been increasing since the great recession... so every president since then has seen the "highest levels". As it is, Trump did more to push the debt to $34.97 than Biden did. Trump spent just as much AND he cut revenue with his idiot 2017 tax cut.

Radiance3 wrote:

4. Competency:
Biden is the most incompetent, stupid, and dumb president that ever occupied the White House. It is tragic how this old, demented man was able to sit at the WH when Biden's County win during the 2020 election was only 477, while Donald Trump was 2,497 Counties. Biden could not even speak at his own mouth, unless reading from the paper written by his writer. Biden stumbling all over the place where he climbs upstairs and where he walks, a shameful scene to the world.

As proven by records and witnesses, Biden is the most corrupt president who ever sit at the White House. Re: Congressional Records and witnesses, e.g. Bobulinske.

In addition, Biden has the dumbest VP, ever elected to office. Her expertise is giggling and a shame to the whole world how America got these two idiots at the White House. For almost 3 years and 4 months, she has done nothing to the country but giggle.

Now United States is about to collapse, loaded with crimes from illegal and local people drugged by the illegal aliens' drugs brought to America.

The most bankrupt country with $34.97 trillion debts that exceed almost 30% of the revenue earned. US spends almost $650 billion for interest paid to the debts annually.

Massive spending buying votes, and printing money.
The highest inflation since WW2, and now most people suffer for lack of affordability to the essentials that they need most of all food.

Most people use CC to buy their essentials. And their debts now have surpassed $1. 5 trillion with interest rate of 21% to 29%.

Most people could not afford to buy food, homes, and rent apartments. Fact is many singles now rent a 4 by 4 Sq. ft. room and use common kitchen and bath with other renters.

Millions are marching on the streets, colleges and universities shouting "Death to America" as they BURN the US FLAGS. And these are Muslims who don't even belong here. But Biden allows them to trample our own and kill our people, and fight law enforcements.

Annually we will be spending almost $600 billion to feed the 15 million invaders. Unless they are deported back ASAP to their country. We are losing millions of our people, and the sovereign rights of this country under Joe Biden.[/i]

br 4. b Competency: /b br Biden is the most i... (show quote)

Yeah, I'm done. Obviously, you suffer from delusional anger. I don't know what it is in your personal life that makes you so bitter and so obsessed with blaming everything on Democrats, but I hope you figure it out.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

PeterS wrote:

Smedley. Inflation under Trump averaged 1.88% not ... (show quote)

The U.S. inflation rate jumped from 1.7% in 2017 under President Donald Trump to 14% in 2021 under President Joe Biden.
After a 30-year dormant period, inflation reemerged in 2021, becoming the biggest challenge of Joe Biden’s presidency.
Inflation has now dropped far below its 2022 peak, but many prices that went up have stayed up, and Americans are peeved about food, rent, and transportation costs that seem to be taking a permanently bigger bite out of their paychecks.

The scarring effects of inflation have fueled a kind of nostalgia regarding Donald Trump’s presidency, from 2017 to 2021.
In a recent NBC News poll, 40% of respondents said Trump’s presidency was better than expected, a higher portion saying so than when NBC asked the same question in 2018.
Voters consistently say they trust Trump more than Biden on the economy, a crucial deficit for Biden given that the two men are vying for the presidency once again this year.

straightUp Loc: California

jSmitty45 wrote:

quote=straightUp Yeah, like how he was born in Ke... (show quote)

I was in North Carolina when Obama was elected the first time and all I really noticed was how a lot of white folks lost their shit whenever they thought black people "lost their place". I was glad to get back to California... not that racism isn't an issue there too, but it doesn't seem as ingrained somehow.

straightUp Loc: California

permafrost wrote:

So very true, but the creeps have been pushing the same idea long before President Obama was a factor. they will never stop and the have no intensions to even try..

Yeah, it's too bad because they wind up supporting the politicians that cater to their hangups and those politicians are screwing them big time knowing that they can't get past their uncontrollable hatred to see it.

Justice101

straightUp wrote:

Dude... that is not even CLOSE to answering my question. This is how much you boneheads understand the inflation you keep blaming Biden for... I break it down to the most fundamental elements for you and ask how we can reverse inflation and you come back with suggestions on how to balance the budget.

You're obviously "Unaware" if you think that balancing the budget wouldn't have a positive effect on the rate of inflation.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what-are-pros-and-cons-operating-balancedbudget.asp

straightUp Loc: California

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

I won't dignify "NBC" poll with a rebuttal.

I'm sure NBC will be fine with that, although they might wonder WTF there is to argue about. It's just a poll.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

As for kneecapping the fossil fuel industry, Biden has leased fewer acres of land than any president in US history.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-oil-leases-slow-to-a-trickle-under-biden-11662230816

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/climate/biden-drilling-federal-lands.html

That still doesn't change the fact that it takes at least 10 years to develop a drill site. Biden has only been in office for a little over three years. Can you do the math from here? You folks are actually so retarded that you think Bidens refusal to lease federal land had such a quick impact that it actually caused the inflation that was already on the rise before Biden even stepped into office.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

As for "canceling" student debt... Not one dollar is canceled. Someone, namely the taxpayers, is going to pony up. There ain't no free lunch. The debt is not canceled, just shifted to people who didn't incur it in the first place.

That's not debt cancellation. If the taxpayers are paying for the debt, it means the debt was never actually cancelled. It's not that complicated, buzzy. If the debt is cancelled it means the dollar is cancelled. Yes, someone takes a loss, the banks. Do you know what they are actually losing? Nothing, because fractional reserve banking gives the banks the right to loan 10 times more than they actually have by simply printing that money out of thin air. So if your printing money out of thin air and loaning to to someone, what are you actually losing if the debt is cancelled? Thin air!

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Let us not forget that real wages have fallen under Biden. They have not kept up with price increases to the point where the average family of four makes less money, adjusted for inflation than under Trump.

And the average family of four under Trump made less money, adjusted for inflation than under Obama. In case you haven't noticed, this is a long standing trend.

And WTF do you expect the government to do about it anyway? Is the government in charge of our wages? Are we communists? The Democrats have tried to help with proposals like minimum wage, but the Republicans scream bloody murder whenever that happens. So again... it's a problem that Democrats are trying to figure out while the Republicans just sit on their assess complaining about how nothing the Democrats are doing is working.

straightUp Loc: California

Justice101 wrote:

You're obviously "Unaware" if you think that balancing the budget wouldn't have a positive effect on the rate of inflation.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what-are-pros-and-cons-operating-balancedbudget.asp

I'm not not talking about the RATE of inflation... Look, you are responding to a conversation that started with me saying this...

Biden may have bragged about decreasing inflation but he was talking about the rate of inflation, not the amount of inflation. We could go to an inflation rate of 0% and we would not feel any better because the dollar is still devalued compared to a year ago... because there is still THAT many dollars in the economy. The ONLY way to bring the number of dollars back down and actually deflate, is to cancel debt.

What part of this confuses you? I'm not talking about the rate of inflation - I am talking about the amount of inflation... as in how much money is in the economy. A budget is NOT going to take dollars OUT of the economy.

okie don

straightUp wrote:

And the average family of four under Trump made le... (show quote)

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Bottom line, Obama the "Community Organizer" mentored by Saul Alinsky
continues to pull the puppet strings on China Joe.
Not difficult to understand although Permafrost and Straight up just can't figure it out.

Rose42

okie don wrote:

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Bottom line, Obama the "Community Organizer" mentored by Saul Alinsky
continues to pull the puppet strings on China Joe.
Not difficult to understand although Permafrost and Straight up just can't figure it out.

No, Obama was a puppet just as biden is

Radiance3

straightUp wrote:

Yeah, I'm done. Obviously, you suffer from delusional anger. I don't know what it is in your personal life that makes you so bitter and so obsessed with blaming everything on Democrats, but I hope you figure it out.

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Delusional anger? You are describing yourself and your groups of gangsters. Who are killing right now on the streets but your kind of people? Who do the actions of burning our national flags, but your kind and people.

Who do the violence, killing, looting, stealing, killing unborn babies, car napping, knocking down and kicking old folks on the streets, looting both in the markets and in the banks.

These are all your kind of people. You may be among them!

Here are the facts going on since 2016:
Life, Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5rqdQVH3o

The leftists-democrats always belong to the evil side.
The left hand symbolized the power to shame society, and was used as a metaphor for misfortune, natural evil, or punishment from the gods.

Matthew 25:41
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.

okie don

Rose42 wrote:

No, Obama was a puppet just as biden is

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Well Rose,
If ya wanna get down to nitty gritties,
I honestly feel the CIA, DOJ & FBI run our nation.
Might sound far fetched but any politicians don't seem to get to 1st base in stopping this illegal invasion of foreigners from around the world including all the Chinese military aged males with no wife's or kids.
Something smells fishy like some mystery secret power is running things.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Parky60 wrote:

<< Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. >>

You have got to be one of the most willfully blind people on the planet.

Yep‼️

Bidens' money trail to Russia, China, and Ukraine exposed
https://youtu.be/YGcKDTqhGM0