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Apr 25, 2024 16:47:18   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
XXX wrote:
And younger


Best purchase that Lebanon bologna. You will need it.

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Apr 25, 2024 18:47:17   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
AuntiE wrote:
Best purchase that Lebanon bologna. You will need it.


I shall indeed. Sweetened or unsweetened? I forget

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Apr 25, 2024 20:56:32   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
XXX wrote:
I shall indeed. Sweetened or unsweetened? I forget


Unsweetened, please.

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Apr 25, 2024 21:01:49   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
AuntiE wrote:
Unsweetened, please.


Got it. If you see a UFO tomorroy don't report it

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Apr 25, 2024 22:23:41   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
AuntiE wrote:
You are a Marine and cannot figure this out?

The very first thing she should do is tell her students to drop flat on the floor and turn their desks onto the floor in front of their bodies.

If the teacher is tactically smart, her file cabinet is next to her door, thus as she locks her door she opening the cabinet to retrieve her gun. If she is even smarter, she has made sure the file cabinet is weighted so she can move it in front of her door.

Going even further, she has purchased a heavy duty home style fire ladder for her classroom to get her students out.

Known fact, every single class has at least one extremely mature responsible student. That student is responsible for getting the ladder while the teacher is guarding her, now file cabinet covered door.

Hopefully, said teacher’s gun is a 45 with hollow point ammunition.

All the above is now standard protocol in a private Yeshiva school since October 2023. It has been practice drilled several times. Gee, I wonder why.
You are a Marine and cannot figure this out? img ... (show quote)
The scenario in question falls under the heading of Self Defense.
Teachers trained and armed to protect their students and themselves should be just as prepared as a police officer, bank guard, body guard, security guard, or armed citizen to respond immediately to a threat. The only practical option, the one that counts when only seconds make the difference, is to have the firearm instantly accessible, in other words, on your person - in a holster or a pouch.

A self defense weapon in a desk drawer, file cabinet, or gun safe is useless if a shooter comes through the door and starts pulling the trigger.

I have successfully completed two CCW qualification courses taught by police officers and one tactical self defense course taught by veteran army Rangers and not once was the idea of keeping a defense weapon out of immediate reach ever mentioned.

The choice of a handgun for self-defense depends not on caliber but on the size and physical attributes and abilities of the person using it. A football coach would have no problem with the weight and recoil of a 45 cal handgun,
but for a teacher of small size with small hands, the 45 is a bit of a beast. A 9mm or a .380ACP would be a better choice.

That said, the firearms instructors who train teachers in self-defense will certainly guide and assist each individual trainee to the handgun that suits them best.

Ammunition manufacturers have developed SD ammo for handguns of numerous calibers, the most popular being the 9mm Luger, that have much improved terminal ballistic performance, including penetration of lighter weight body armor.

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Apr 25, 2024 22:37:41   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The scenario in question falls under the heading of Self Defense.

Teachers trained and armed to protect their students and themselves should be just as prepared as a police officer, bank guard, body guard, security guard, or armed citizen to respond immediately to a threat. The only practical option, the one that counts when only seconds make the difference, is to have the firearm instantly accessible, in other words, on your person - in a holster or a pouch.

A self defense weapon in a desk drawer, file cabinet, or gun safe is useless if a shooter comes through the door and starts pulling the trigger.

I have successfully completed two CCW qualification courses taught by police officers and one tactical self defense course taught by veteran army Rangers and not once was the idea of keeping a defense weapon out of immediate reach ever mentioned.

The choice of a handgun for self-defense depends not on caliber but on the size and physical attributes and abilities of the person using it. A football coach would have no problem with the weight and recoil of a 45 cal handgun,
but for a teacher of small size with small hands, the 45 is a bit of a beast. A 9mm or a .380ACP would be a better choice.

That said, the firearms instructors who train teachers in self-defense will certainly guide and assist each individual trainee to the handgun that suits them best.

Ammunition manufacturers have developed SD ammo for handguns of numerous calibers, the most popular being the 9mm Luger, that have much improved terminal ballistic performance, including penetration of lighter weight body armor.
The scenario in question falls under the heading o... (show quote)



Did you do drugs before writing the statement; ” should be just as prepared as a police officer, bank guard, body guard, security guard..? A vast majority of the groups you cited are not as proficient with a weapon as you are! They have once a year qualifying, if that for some, go the range the week before, practice and do not bother for another year! You are better qualified than they ever would be.

I truly understand your point. The examples are just laughable.

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Apr 25, 2024 22:52:40   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
AuntiE wrote:
Did you do drugs before writing the statement; ” should be just as prepared as a police officer, bank guard, body guard, security guard..? A vast majority of the groups you cited are not as proficient with a weapon as you are! They have once a year qualifying, if that for some, go the range the week before, practice and do not bother for another year! You are better qualified than they ever would be.

I truly understand your point. The examples are just laughable.
I was not referring to a police officer's or a bank guard's, or a body guard's, or a security guard's training or capability with a firearm, I am referring to an armed teacher having a defense weapon as readily available as do the cops and guards, i.e., holstered on their person. If you encounter an active shooter, you don't have time to open drawers or file cabinets, or unlock a safe.



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Apr 25, 2024 22:59:23   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I was not referring to a police officer's or a bank guard's, or a body guard's, or a security guard's training or capability with a firearm, I am referring to an armed teacher having a defense weapon as readily available as do the cops and guards, i.e., holstered on their person. If you encounter an active shooter, you don't have time to open drawers or file cabinets, or unlock a safe.


My apologies. I misinterpreted the sentence.

The protocols I posted are based on the classroom not being at the front of the school. In fact, 90% of classrooms are not at the front entrance but some distance away.

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Apr 25, 2024 23:08:32   #
dbirch
 
Can't relate. Isn't today Friday?

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Apr 25, 2024 23:18:14   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
dbirch wrote:
Can't relate. Isn't today Friday?


Tomorrow. 42 minutes away EDT

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Apr 26, 2024 13:29:46   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
AuntiE wrote:
See, I cannot even remember what I told you.

Poor ProgenyE took all the trash out for it not to be picked up. He is not pleased.

Until just a while ago, I thought it was Friday. I am not to be trusted anymore!
See, I cannot even remember what I told you. img... (show quote)


LOL, I still trust you AuntiE. We all get CRS from time to time.

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Apr 26, 2024 14:59:37   #
elledee
 
[quote=Liberty Tree]Yes, knowing the school is protected should deter possible shooters. Gun free zones sure do not
The thing that bad guys hate the most is good guys shooting back

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Apr 26, 2024 17:05:46   #
martsiva
 
AuntiE wrote:
See, I cannot even remember what I told you.

Poor ProgenyE took all the trash out for it not to be picked up. He is not pleased.

Until just a while ago, I thought it was Friday. I am not to be trusted anymore!
See, I cannot even remember what I told you. img... (show quote)


Oh yes you are so don`t even go there!! We all lose track of days so you are not alone!

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Apr 26, 2024 17:09:25   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Peaver Bogart wrote:
LOL, I still trust you AuntiE. We all get CRS from time to time.


Today is Friday. I know this for a fact, because I looked in three places to make sure.

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Apr 26, 2024 17:15:21   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
AuntiE wrote:
Today is Friday. I know this for a fact, because I looked in three places to make sure.


Yep, I remembered today is Friday. I see Martsiva confused about the days too.

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