Opp poll: teachers carrying guns (Page 2): Really? You want to use the most cowardly police department as an example! If each candidate takes, and passes, both defensive and tactical...

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

NotMAGA wrote:

What does the training include?
I think of Uvalde, where police who do the job every day hesitated rather than enter the school to confront an active shooter. I hope the mental evaluation is extensive, and will include some sort of method of testing the person's reaction to extreme stress. No one who might not remain calm in an extreme emergency such as an active shooter should be considered.

Really? You want to use the most cowardly police department as an example!

If each candidate takes, and passes, both defensive and tactical gun protocols, they should be qualified.

As a side note, police officers only have to weapon qualify once a year. 90% of the time, they go the range a week in advance to practice. I have a dozen shooters I could put up against any cop. Why? Because they go the range weekly to keep their skills fresh.

It astonishes me no one ever asks why cops need so many rounds to hit their target. Because they never take the time to practice with their weapon!

NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county

AuntiE wrote:

Really? You want to use the most cowardly police d... (show quote)

What I'm talking about is the reaction to, really, any emergency. No one really knows for sure how they will react until it comes to it.
When he was still an enlisted guy, one of our son's Sergeants at his MOS school used to use live rounds in some of the training exercises. He had been deployed three times in war zones and knew it was important to make sure they knew how it felt to have real ammo whizzing overhead.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

NotMAGA wrote:

What I'm talking about is the reaction to, really, any emergency. No one really knows for sure how they will react until it comes to it.
When he was still an enlisted guy, one of our son's Sergeants at his MOS school used to use live rounds in some of the training exercises. He had been deployed three times in war zones and knew it was important to make sure they knew how it felt to have real ammo whizzing overhead.

Again, tactical training is that component.

More interesting is nobody but nobody does it better than a NRA Certified instructor. They have hours upon hours upon hours of training and practice before they are certified as an instructor.

NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county

AuntiE wrote:

Again, tactical training is that component.

More interesting is nobody but nobody does it better than a NRA Certified instructor. They have hours upon hours upon hours of training and practice before they are certified as an instructor.

Our Exec Dir does that now. He used to be a cop. Now does training sessions for people wanting a concealed weapon permit.

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

AuntiE wrote:

Agreed, on this Wednesday evening.

Thank you for reminding me, I have to take the garbage out tonight to the road.

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

NotMAGA wrote:

What does the training include?
I think of Uvalde, where police who do the job every day hesitated rather than enter the school to confront an active shooter. I hope the mental evaluation is extensive, and will include some sort of method of testing the person's reaction to extreme stress. No one who might not remain calm in an extreme emergency such as an active shooter should be considered.

You can look it up for more details. I didn't include a link because someone wouldn't like the site.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

NotMAGA wrote:

Our Exec Dir does that now. He used to be a cop. Now does training sessions for people wanting a concealed weapon permit.

I would rather have a soldier (active, inactive) than a cop. Having said that, for basic gun safety/handling, a good choice.

The NRA instructor I had made every single person tell him exactly where in their house they could point a gun that if it went off it would not leave the house. He spent 20 minutes making everybody repeatedly “clear a weapon”, hand it to the person next to them, and that person clear it.

Fun note, I do not have the strength to ‘rack’ an AR-15. My long gun should be a double barrel shotgun. I had never had one in my hand, cleared it, loaded it and racked it faster than anyone. **patting self on back**

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Peaver Bogart wrote:

Thank you for reminding me, I have to take the garbage out tonight to the road.

ProgenyE has to take ours out. ‘

Is MrsPB’s hand still improving well?

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

NotMAGA wrote:

What I'm talking about is the reaction to, really, any emergency. No one really knows for sure how they will react until it comes to it.
When he was still an enlisted guy, one of our son's Sergeants at his MOS school used to use live rounds in some of the training exercises. He had been deployed three times in war zones and knew it was important to make sure they knew how it felt to have real ammo whizzing overhead.

So why does an armed teacher need to be tought for emergency when an unarmed doesn't? How would the reaction be any different?

NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county

XXX wrote:

So why does an armed teacher need to be tought for emergency when an unarmed doesn't? How would the reaction be any different?

A teacher with a gun who panics might shoot a student instead of the shooter.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

NotMAGA wrote:

A teacher with a gun who panics might shoot a student instead of the shooter.

If the educational system was not so utterly stupid, they would practice real active shooter drills.

The very first thing a teacher should shout is, drop! Unless a school is fortunate enough to have a hobbist “shooter”, important training will never happen. File cabinets should be directly next to classroom doors to be moved to block the door.

On another note, maybe school systems could stop dumping money into administration and install some real safety. Per an ex-Navy Seal, kevlar doors for every school door, deadbolt locks on all doors, alarm every door so it can not be left propped open (think Ulvade), safety fire ladders in every classroom (to get students out windows), and there was another thing my memory card will not reveal.

NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county

AuntiE wrote:

If the educational system was not so utterly stupi... (show quote)

I just have a tough time with the fact that the only country in the world where this "active shooter" thing happens with disturbing regularity is the US.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

NotMAGA wrote:

I just have a tough time with the fact that the only country in the world where this "active shooter" thing happens with disturbing regularity is the US.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

I have a difficult time with the fact, in all but two cases, law enforcement had been aware and somewhat involved and did nothing.

I have a difficult time with the studies showing everyone of these shooters had been on psychotropic drugs, and it is being shown they have a severe impact on young males yet are doled out like candy.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

XXX wrote:

A law passed by Tennessee congress would allow teachers to carry. They would need a mental check and 40 hours of training and the approval of the school official. It will likely be signed by the governor. Do you think this is a good idea? Should we expand this to other states?

Here’s What Happened When Israel Armed Teachers
Australia has been the “go to” model for the gun-grabbers, who propose that we mimic what Australia did, and have a government buyback to reduce the nation’s supply of firearms. In Australia in 1996, just south of one million rifles and shotguns were forcibly sold back to the government and destroyed, or 20% of the guns in circulation. Of course, for a similar proportional buyback in the U.S., over 60 million firearms would have to be rounded up and destroyed. An expensive, and logistically impossible task in America, where the public has an overwhelmingly favorable view of firearms.

Besides, Australia at least has an advantage in that they’re an island. If they could get rid of all guns, it would be nearly impossible to smuggle new guns in. On the other hand, we in America couldn’t keep 15 million illegal immigrants out of our country, or prevent the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of drugs across the border. What makes us think we can keep guns out?

A number of the families of the Stoneman Douglas victims have proposed arming teachers, though their calls haven’t gotten nearly as much media attention as the band of students calling for more strict gun control. Specifically, those proposing arming teachers are only proposing to allow those who are already armed to carry in the classroom, such as someone with a military or law enforcement background. In Israel, where everyone is required to serve in the military, this is already the case.

And the results? Spectacular. When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, instead of declaring every school a gun-free zone, Israel passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers, and, even today, runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists.

One may argue that the the mandatory military service that every Israeli undergoes justifies the trust Israel has of its citizens, but the vast majority of the IDF are not in combat roles. The pistol course needed to obtain a license takes less than four hours, so it’s hardly a laborious process.

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

AuntiE wrote:

ProgenyE has to take ours out. ‘

Is MrsPB’s hand still improving well?

It is, but she tries to use it frequently and I have to stop her.