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Apr 24, 2024 14:43:32   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Depends on how it's paid, apparently.


No it's not. The fact that it took 7 years to bring this on is enough. Trump should charge Bragg with election interference.

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Apr 24, 2024 14:45:06   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
XXX wrote:
No it's not. The fact that it took 7 years to bring this on is enough. Trump should charge Bragg with election interference.


DJ can't 'charge' anyone with anything. Not even if he was president. He is nothing but a candidate right now

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Apr 24, 2024 14:48:36   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
NotMAGA wrote:
DJ can't 'charge' anyone with anything. Not even if he was president. He is nothing but a candidate right now


Yea it was the wrong word

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Apr 24, 2024 16:06:23   #
Justice101
 
NotMAGA wrote:
If DJ hadn't been so cheap about it, he'd have been fine. It wasnt the act but the way he tried to cover it up that nailed him. He could have paid her himself from his billions but no, he wanted to use campaign funds.


It's not illegal to pay hush money to a prostitute or to try and cover it up. If he or his bookkeeper filed it under legal expense, he was paying back his lawyer Michael Cohen. Trump or his bookkeeper issued checks totaling $385,000. You think that's Trump being cheap?

President Trump’s checks repaying Michael Cohen for hush money, explained
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/6/18253467/trump-michael-cohen-checks-legal-stormy-daniels


Cohen had already testified that he, himself paid the porn star the $130,000 for the NDA and was charged for shameless violations of the election law. He is obviously angry that Trump wasn't charged, but it would have been a misdemeanor fine for him.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-michael-cohen-broke-campaign-finance-law

Michael Cohen the liar.
Judge says Michael Cohen may have committed perjury, refuses to end his probation early
https://apnews.com/article/michael-cohen-donald-trump-artificial-intelligence-82a86dc58a78e43894484b1a12fb850f


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cohen-face-sentencing-campaign-finance-violations-lying-congress/story?id=59738100
Excerpt:
Special counsel Robert Mueller, tasked with investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, tacked on an additional count of lying to Congress.

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Apr 24, 2024 16:11:58   #
WEBCO
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Depends on how it's paid, apparently.


So Trump used his money to pay an NDA. How is that possibly illegal? Especially in light that he had been doing it for at least a year before Stormy.

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Apr 24, 2024 16:12:25   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
Justice101 wrote:
It's not illegal to pay hush money to a prostitute or to try and cover it up. If he or his bookkeeper filed it under legal expense, he was paying back his lawyer Michael Cohen. Trump or his bookkeeper issued checks totaling $385,000. You think that's Trump being cheap?

President Trump’s checks repaying Michael Cohen for hush money, explained
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/6/18253467/trump-michael-cohen-checks-legal-stormy-daniels


Cohen had already testified that he, himself paid the porn star the $130,000 for the NDA and was charged for shameless violations of the election law. He is obviously angry that Trump wasn't charged, but it would have been a misdemeanor fine for him.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-michael-cohen-broke-campaign-finance-law

Michael Cohen the liar.
Judge says Michael Cohen may have committed perjury, refuses to end his probation early
https://apnews.com/article/michael-cohen-donald-trump-artificial-intelligence-82a86dc58a78e43894484b1a12fb850f


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cohen-face-sentencing-campaign-finance-violations-lying-congress/story?id=59738100
Excerpt:
Special counsel Robert Mueller, tasked with investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, tacked on an additional count of lying to Congress.
It's not illegal to pay hush money to a prostitute... (show quote)


A misdemeanor needs to be brought within 2 years

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Apr 24, 2024 16:14:44   #
WEBCO
 
NotMAGA wrote:
If DJ hadn't been so cheap about it, he'd have been fine. It wasnt the act but the way he tried to cover it up that nailed him. He could have paid her himself from his billions but no, he wanted to use campaign funds.


He did use his own money. They are saying that was illegal because it was to help his election. He also paid money to kill stories before he was running. This case, as well as the "fraud" case are a total joke. Neither has EVER been used in the way they are to get Trump.

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Apr 24, 2024 16:33:53   #
Justice101
 
XXX wrote:
A misdemeanor needs to be brought within 2 years


Yes, but Fat Alvin bumped it up to a federal charge so it would become a criminal offense. He finally named the crime as "election interference". LOL

Even "Politico" has its doubts.

Prosecutors say Trump’s hush money was ‘election interference.’ Will jurors — and voters — believe it?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/22/trump-hush-money-trial-election-interference-00153561

Excerpt
Some skeptics say the recharacterization is a transparent effort to dress up fairly obscure criminal charges into something that sounds more ominous.

“It’s a little bit of a jujitsu move to characterize the whole case as about election interference. … Hush money itself, the catch-and-kill scheme, is not illegal,” former federal prosecutor Randall Eliason said. “The question in my mind is how do these charges amount to election interference? The hush money itself did, but that’s not the crime.”

UCLA law professor and voting rights advocate Rick Hasen noted that the charges amount to felonies only if prosecutors can prove the mislabeling of the payments was intended to cover-up another crime — in this instance, a violation of either campaign finance laws or tax laws.

“Any voters who look beneath the surface are sure to be underwhelmed,” Hasen wrote in the Los Angeles Times on the eve of Trump’s trial. “Calling it election interference actually cheapens the term and undermines the deadly serious charges in the real election interference cases.”

“If they don’t get to the felony … then they’re basically left with a misdemeanor. And everyone will just yawn and move on,” veteran GOP campaign finance attorney Jan Baran said.

Bragg and his supporters must also grapple with a separate PR challenge: Trump, too, has branded the case as an “election interference” case — but by that, he means a bid by an elected Democratic prosecutor to hamper his 2024 campaign.

In court, the judge has resoundingly rejected Trump’s arguments that the charges are impermissibly tainted by politics. But Trump has made it a refrain in his public remarks about the case.

Could talk of sex and infidelity sink the case?
One risk for Bragg is that the tawdry aspects of the case will eclipse arguments about both the alleged criminality itself and the broader right of voters to evaluate presidential candidates without unlawful scheming to obscure their history.

Similar battles in recent decades raise doubts about whether a story that enters the public consciousness as a politically charged sex scandal can ever be transformed into something graver.

When President Bill Clinton’s sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky burst into the headlines in 1998, it appeared for a time that the allegations could paralyze his presidency and perhaps even force his resignation. However, as the investigation dragged on, that sentiment eventually gave way to a perception that Clinton was being hounded by prosecutors and political enemies over what amounted to a sexual peccadillo.

Instead, the alleged crimes Trump has been charged with are nearly three dozen instances of false entries in his company’s records to disguise reimbursements linked to the hush money. Prosecutors say he falsely recorded them as legal expenses.

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Apr 24, 2024 16:38:30   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
Justice101 wrote:
Yes, but Fat Alvin bumped it up to a federal charge so it would become a criminal offense. He finally named the crime as "election interference". LOL

Even "Politico" has its doubts.

Prosecutors say Trump’s hush money was ‘election interference.’ Will jurors — and voters — believe it?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/22/trump-hush-money-trial-election-interference-00153561

Excerpt
Some skeptics say the recharacterization is a transparent effort to dress up fairly obscure criminal charges into something that sounds more ominous.

“It’s a little bit of a jujitsu move to characterize the whole case as about election interference. … Hush money itself, the catch-and-kill scheme, is not illegal,” former federal prosecutor Randall Eliason said. “The question in my mind is how do these charges amount to election interference? The hush money itself did, but that’s not the crime.”

UCLA law professor and voting rights advocate Rick Hasen noted that the charges amount to felonies only if prosecutors can prove the mislabeling of the payments was intended to cover-up another crime — in this instance, a violation of either campaign finance laws or tax laws.

“Any voters who look beneath the surface are sure to be underwhelmed,” Hasen wrote in the Los Angeles Times on the eve of Trump’s trial. “Calling it election interference actually cheapens the term and undermines the deadly serious charges in the real election interference cases.”

“If they don’t get to the felony … then they’re basically left with a misdemeanor. And everyone will just yawn and move on,” veteran GOP campaign finance attorney Jan Baran said.

Bragg and his supporters must also grapple with a separate PR challenge: Trump, too, has branded the case as an “election interference” case — but by that, he means a bid by an elected Democratic prosecutor to hamper his 2024 campaign.

In court, the judge has resoundingly rejected Trump’s arguments that the charges are impermissibly tainted by politics. But Trump has made it a refrain in his public remarks about the case.

Could talk of sex and infidelity sink the case?
One risk for Bragg is that the tawdry aspects of the case will eclipse arguments about both the alleged criminality itself and the broader right of voters to evaluate presidential candidates without unlawful scheming to obscure their history.

Similar battles in recent decades raise doubts about whether a story that enters the public consciousness as a politically charged sex scandal can ever be transformed into something graver.

When President Bill Clinton’s sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky burst into the headlines in 1998, it appeared for a time that the allegations could paralyze his presidency and perhaps even force his resignation. However, as the investigation dragged on, that sentiment eventually gave way to a perception that Clinton was being hounded by prosecutors and political enemies over what amounted to a sexual peccadillo.

Instead, the alleged crimes Trump has been charged with are nearly three dozen instances of false entries in his company’s records to disguise reimbursements linked to the hush money. Prosecutors say he falsely recorded them as legal expenses.
Yes, but Fat Alvin bumped it up to a federal charg... (show quote)


No more election interference than the Biden laptop

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Apr 24, 2024 16:59:33   #
Justice101
 
XXX wrote:
No more election interference than the Biden laptop


True, but we don't have 51 lawyers writing Fat Alvin a letter telling him that.

This whole case is a sham.
The FEC fined Hillary and the DNC for lying about how they spent money to pay for the de-bunked Steele Dossier.
They charged the payments as "legal expenses". Sound familiar?
https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/clinton-campaign-dnc-fined-by-fec-for-lying-about-steele-dossier-payments/

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Apr 24, 2024 17:21:06   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
Justice101 wrote:
True, but we don't have 51 lawyers writing Fat Alvin a letter telling him that.

This whole case is a sham.
The FEC fined Hillary and the DNC for lying about how they spent money to pay for the de-bunked Steele Dossier.
They charged the payments as "legal expenses". Sound familiar?
https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/clinton-campaign-dnc-fined-by-fec-for-lying-about-steele-dossier-payments/


Hmmm🤔

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Apr 24, 2024 17:31:40   #
BIRDMAN
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Which part of his 2020 run? Hunter? They'd started talking about him before the election if I remember correctly.
I've never quite understood the focus on the son who wasn't part of Joe's administration, and so far after months and months of investigating there have been no charges recommended against Joe. Only Hunter.


Sheep



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Apr 24, 2024 17:38:37   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
Sheep


Your meme is almost completely incorrect - except for DJs 91 indictments.

That one you got right.

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Apr 24, 2024 17:40:09   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Your meme is almost completely incorrect - except for DJs 91 indictments.

That one you got right.


That one isn't right either. It's 85

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Apr 24, 2024 17:49:40   #
BIRDMAN
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Your meme is almost completely incorrect - except for DJs 91 indictments.

That one you got right.


Is this one right



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