Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

Ultra Liberals, & slow thinking Demo'rats: have *Patriotism, confused with *indoctrination!

IT'S SIMPLY A *State of mind...*Not an obligatory treasonist attitude, foisted upon decent Americans by

Communist inspired Liberals. I have traversed this continent, at home here, & abroad, in 15 countries....I have

inquired, & listened to many Europeans, Hispanics, Italians, Portugese, Spaniards, frenchmen, Canadians, & more...

It is a general consensus, that the Democrats, of America led by the Biden regime, of non-thinking, politically

blind, & The poorly educated followed this *Mistake", of American politics....They mostly all think *Biden is a

dangerous fool! They are incredulously stunned, by the elections here, re: Clinton, Obammy, & Biden...They ask

me "How could this ever happen in America?" My reply is: ~Criminalization of our Political system, is the culprit, &

it is all on the Democrats, & a hand full, of Republicans...called affectionately: "The swamp"!

They turn, shaking their heads, wander off, pondering the dilemma, of a failed democracy, from a nation, that has

"since its inception", The Greatest republic in the history of the world! ~It took only 3 men to destroy our

heritage....&, "3" ALL DEMOCRATS! **BLAME THE ELECTORATE, FOR POLITICAL SUICIDE, ALA Greed, &

ignorance! , ,

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

If you cannot stomach this truth, & direct confrontation...Get out of the Kitchen "Old wrinkled up Grammy"...{

Lover of Obammy]..In truth, your mind has been blocked for too long, already. *Have you tried a dose of reality*?

"Stop", with the Kool-aid, & "wrinkle cream"...None of that is working for you! You are indicative, of most

Communist influenced, & unpatriotic-thinking, Libretards that are continually trying to torpedo this Republic!

If you remain here, perhaps, some of the "obvious intelligence", from like-thinking Republicans, will rub off

on you, & remove the stench of Liberalism? [ One can only hope] Please get a life!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

No, I don't normally block people. If you're not willing or able to fight your fight, supportb your thesis, if you want to make your point and expect everyone to accede then you're the one needing to block those who do not agree with you. If you're unwilling as a liberal Progressive Catholic to state your position on abortion and the LGBTQ perversions, you're a coward.

One of the indicators a society is collapsing is when the elderly, those who traditionally pass on their wisdom to youth, become liberal, become Progressive. Both our parents, who when my brother and I were growing up were a little bit right of Attila the Hun, became extremely liberal. My Mother, a clinical psychologist, became a High School counselor and bragged about telling a young High School girl to "jump off the porch" to abort her child. She never told my brother and me if it worked.

Maybe, just maybe, I know you better than you know me.

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

Ultra, mind-numbed...Liberals: When they lose an argument, resort to stone-throwing, & have lost their fight!

Cowards?..[ Absolutely....un-educated?..Yes], blank minded, & easy to manipulate, for Greed?...[ again "YES"]

There is no cure, for their stupidity, & they are cursed, with this until their death! [ No ability to think for themselves...unfortunately]...terminally retarded, politically! So sad...what to do?....forget them!
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American Scene

Well stated

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

American scene: "Likes the status Quo!" Demo'rats, are NOT, your friends....Look to the facts!

Demo'rats, & their followers, are still on the Titanic! Happily, consuming baloney sandwiches, & "Kool-aid"!

straightUp Loc: California

Any attempt to distance yourself from some of the regulars here is a good decision. We should be able to come here to share ideas without being assaulted with the forced feedings that are so essential to the dogmatic narratives of religious extremism.

That being said, I'm curious about your attempt to draw a difference between liberal and leftists. I also feel there is a difference but it gets blurred by the rabid attacks on both.

Personally, I see liberalism as a move to liberate something from the status quo, in opposition to conservatism that seeks to conserve it. Oversimplified? Absolutely but I still think it serves as a root meaning. U.S. history is a chronology of snapshots that often preserve these social labels in antiquated context. Hillary Clinton a few years ago had suggested that Democrats are actually more conservative today than Republicans are and with the alt-right taking over the GOP, I tend to agree with her. It seems that today it's the Republicans that are liberating themselves from the status quo of a republic that has essentially been progressive for about a century now.

Leftist is another ambiguous term, but there is an evident pattern world-wide and historically deep, in which all movements bearing the "leftist" label are driven by inclusion... Including women and black people in our democracy is leftist, including LGBT in our civil rights is leftist, including immigrants in our society, including workers in the profit margins and labor negotiations. These are all leftist.

By contrast, the right side is almost always driven by exclusion, such as the exclusion of nonbelievers from salvation, the exclusion of immigrants at out border, the exclusion of Jews by the Nazis in Germany, the exclusion of Palestinians by the Zionists in Israel, The exclusion of Israel by the Islamic Resistance. These are all referenced by historians and analysts as "right-wing".

How are you seeing the difference?

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

yOURS: THE RANTINGS OF A SORELY DISPLACED FOOL, & 101%, WRONG IN WHAT YOU POST!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Exactly. It's called "supine ignorance" a term not usually found in the lexicon of most of us and only added to my own when I was 48 years old in seminary.

LiberalGrammyD

I will try to answer. My parents were JFK and then LBJ Liberals. I was 13 when my brother was killed in Viet Nam( Dec 69) 5yrs later when I turned 18 I decided to vote for Democrats because they favored peace. My first election was in 76 and voted for Carter. Ever since I saw the Democratic choice more interested in the people and not the millionaires. I also think you are right progressive issues are inclusive and that scares the Right and threatens their control. They are afraid of independent women, including all in our politics(ie LGBTQ members and often times Non Whites and workers who challenge management by organizing for fair pay,treatment and safe work environs). I saw Pres Clinton as a student of JFK and his ideas. After 8yrs of "W"s paranoia I also was glad to see Barak OBama elected and firmly believe that if SecClinton had won in 2016 we would not be in the situation we have now. I think Liberals deserve a voice and the Conservatives don't. They fear all deserving equal treatment and recognition. The current MAGApublicans see us as a threat to the American Dream. They want an authoritrian in charge despite the fact that their choice is an egomaniac and possibly a felon totally un worthy of being POTUS or any political office again....Well I gotta get ready for yet another round of ranting from the controlfreaks because I dared to call their "fearless leader" a possible felon and egomaniac.

LiberalGrammyD

Fine TheSTATE has NO Right to tell any female what she can do with her body. People should be allowed to choose who they want to marry regardless of gender and again the STATE has no right to legislate morals. I also don't need to be reminded with constant Bible references so LEAVE ME ALONE!

straightUp Loc: California

Well, speaking for myself, I never confuse the two meanings. If anything, I see patriotism as a form of chauvinism and arrogance. It's definitely a moral weakness in which people can't do anything good without expecting a medal for it.

Indoctrination is basic brain washing... a practice that has been developed for thousands of years by various religions and armies and perfected by the sales and marketing teams of modern capitalism. All Americans are indoctrinated to some extent, including yours truly. My parents were very brand-oriented and would irrationally pass a better deal to buy a product that reflects their brand loyalty... That's commercial indoctrination.

Indoctrination is also exceedingly important in the military where conscientious objection can't be tolerated.

All the political factions indulge in some degree of indoctrination. But it get's stronger as you make your way toward the extremes because indoctrination has that power to push an agenda beyond the realm of common sense, much like buying an inferior product out of loyalty or being able to slaughter women and children in a "human shield".

All that being said, I do think that Patriotism goes hand in hand with indoctrination. They feed off each other. Patriotism is a high octane emotion that seeks gratification in the doctrine which in turn spurs the desire to be a patriot. A fanatic cycle of idiocy.

I would argue that there is a extreme faction on the left, let's just call them communists, that are nevertheless outside the power structure. They don't even have the numbers to qualify for a seat in Congress. The mainstay of power in the Democratic Party, are much closer to the center and well within the realm of rational thought.

I would also argue that on the right, the picture is not the same. The rational moderates are actually being pushed out while the indoctrinated alt-right is moving in to power.

In fact, I would also argue that this irrational doctrine is the secret to Trump's success at becoming an idolized "il Duce" to his followers.

So, without a doubt Trump supporters almost as indoctrinated as the North Koreans, many of whom seriously believe their leader doesn't shit.


LOL - Biden has only been in office for 3 years. What are you using to get to 15 countries so you can have in depth conversations with all those people within the last three years? Santa's sleigh?

I've been around the world too... Only a few other countries but I've actually lived in them as a civilian and that makes a huge difference because people feel more relaxed about their opinions when you're wearing a t-shirt and jeans. If you go there in a military uniform, there's a greater chance they are telling you what they think you want to hear. Especially if your being all patriotic.

I've had conversations with Europeans that are nothing like what you've described. I haven't been outside the country since Biden took office , but from what I remember of my conversations in Europe, they really don't get all that opinionated about our partisan divisions. They tend to focus more on the U.S. as a singularity. Or at least they did when I was there.

Aside from a general view that Americans tend to be obnoxious, their opinions differ widely on our politics as they do on their own politics. They do however prefer their own systems to ours which would suggest a stronger alignment with Democrats.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - they do get defensive.

Thanks for sharing. I certainly agree that for decades Democrats have invested more in The People where Republicans did more for the billionaires. The alt-right is an interesting turn in that respect in which they very much see themselves as the champions for the little guy but they still can't seem to escape the conservative doctrine that repels them from the progressive approach the Democrats are more comfortable with. This leaves them in a state where they don't really know what to do, because for the last 150 years, progressive politics have been the ONLY salvation for the working class.

It seems, the vacuum is being filled with an open-ended attack on the establishment as an end to itself. It's a movement charged with anger but offering no solutions. I would say 90% of alt-right politics is obsessed with destroying anything liberal.... kinda like Trump's presidency... "Repeal and Replace"!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You had no damn right to legislate immorality yet you did. Christians have not legislated morality. What you and I grew up with was long established traditional American morals and values long before our birth. We were a balanced people and nation because we were a nation of Christians . People like you, easily groomed, changed this. Obviously reading your comment to Straight-up, you've been a damn consciously immoral fool all your life. Granted, It's a free will choice to be stupid and compromise your faith just like Biden. He's proof that any apostate willing to compromise his faith, as he has, is just as willing to compromise his country and her people as he has. What was your biggest compromise, your conscience, your soul?

son of witless

Indoctrination, can we talk ?? You support a man whose Uncle was eaten by cannibals. Or maybe he wasn't. Anyway, please weigh in on this issue. President Joe is the most interesting man in the World. He always has these wonderful stories. He rattles them off easily. I guess that is why you made him our President.

Uncle Joe would be the most boring uninteresting man in the Universe except for his wonderful and colorful stories. I know they are all true because Uncle Joe is the most truthful President since George Washington.

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/biden-uncle-cannibal-ambrose-finnegan-rcna148363

" Researchers have documented cannibalism practices in parts of the Melanesia region, but Biden's remarks raised eyebrows. As NBC News reported, the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency said that Finnegan's plane was "forced to ditch in the ocean" for unknown reasons, and that three men, including Finnegan, "failed to emerge from the sinking wreck and were lost in the crash." "