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Apr 10, 2024 21:42:01   #
dwp66
 
straightUp wrote:
OK... FINALLY an example of what Trump actually did. Too bad it's wrong. So I guess I'll have to explain this one too.

Trump didn't actually "secure the border" until the pandemic hit. That's when we did what most other countries were doing at the time. We closed the border BECAUSE of the pandemic. That's what the provision in Title 42 was... a TEMPORARY shut down that was NEVER meant to be permanent. It was one of the two gifts that the pandemic gave Trump... an inevitable recovery and inflation that he could try to blame on Biden and an automatic shutdown of the border that he could pretend was his solution to "securing" it.

So it's not really anything Trump actually did. Congress had already created Title 42 and it was automatically enacted in response to the pandemic. All Trump did was pretend it was all him and of course no one believed him except for those who were ignorant about the details, which of course includes his base.

After the pandemic Title 42 was lifted (as it was always planned) and we were back to business as usual, with one small difference. There were a LOT more immigrants at the border. Part of that was the backlog of immigrants that piled up when Title 42 was enacted but by far the biggest reason is that people were (and still are) migrating out of Venezuela and the reason for that is pretty obvious to anyone who looks... Trump. Venezuela was already hurting economically because of some bad management but when Trump slapped sanctions on the country it collapsed entirely and now the people can't even find food.

So while Trump didn't do shit for us, he certainly did something for the Venezuelans... He destroyed their county and now the people of that country are knocking on our door. Most immigrants at the border are in fact from Venezuela and the numbers are breaking records.

The other thing I have to ask is this... What makes you think that shutting out the immigrants actually helps middle-class Americans? That was actually part of my question... to explain HOW the action taken actually helped the middle-class.

So... I still have yet to see ANYONE provide just ONE example of what Trump actually DID to help us.
OK... FINALLY an example of what Trump actually di... (show quote)


Excellent piece with accurate facts. Unfortunately, most folks here at OPP will simply stop reading after a short while, because empirical data is something they a) know nothing about and, b) don't want to know anything about.

Most here thrive on cognitive dissonance and Dunning Kruger.

Most of them can't provide accurate facts on Trump's accomplishments because there were so few of them, and the ones they list are mostly bullshit - like how Trump "closed" the border.

And now those same individuals will mock you, and call you names of every sort. At least there a few of us here that try to offer a different perspective, but we are most assuredly in the minority. Anyway - Kudos!

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Apr 10, 2024 22:00:33   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
straightUp wrote:
Why do you people do that? All these false accusations and baseless assumptions about people just because you don't like their view. Mattoid has not actually stated that he supports the killing of Trump. Not once. I wrote a program to scan ALL the pages of a topic in about 6 seconds and I use it to scan for things people say and not ONE person stated they want to see Trump killed.

You're original post implies that Trump's critics want him killed. It would appear that is all your own fantasy. Is this your attempt to demonize them or maybe a feeble attempt to make Trump out to be some great threat to our culture?

Let me help you out here, Lily... None of us are all that worried about Trump. Trump is a moron. What we are worried about is the rise in bigotry and ignorance that Trump is tapping into because it leaves us open to future politicians that might actually be smart enough to leverage that and turn our country into the kind of fascist tyranny that no one really wants.

So if you can drop your idolization of Trump for just one moment you MIGHT give yourself a chance to put credit where credit is due. Trump doesn't scare us. YOU people do. Because if there is one lesson that Trump has taught us, it's that if Adolph Hitler ran for president in 2024, you would very likely vote for him.
Why do you people do that? All these false accusat... (show quote)

You're watching way too much propaganda.

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Apr 10, 2024 22:37:19   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
EmilyD wrote:
The Summer of 2020 is a good start...and it was BEFORE an election...when OBAMA was president.....hmmmmm.....

Seattle, May - August 2020

Minneapolis - May 28

Houston - May 30

Detroit - May 30

Dallas - May 30

Washington DC - June 1

St. Louis - June 1

Phoenix - June 1

Los Angeles - June 1

New York City - June 3-10

Richmond - June 4

Boston - June 8

Atlanta - June 19

Portland - July 20-August 29

Chicago - August 10

Denver - august 24

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The Summer of 2020 is a good start...and it was BE... (show quote)


Pres Obama was NOT in office the Summer of 2020, Mr Trump was POTUS

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Apr 10, 2024 22:37:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
EmilyD wrote:
The Summer of 2020 is a good start...and it was BEFORE an election...when OBAMA was president.....hmmmmm.....

Seattle, May - August 2020

Minneapolis - May 28

Houston - May 30

Detroit - May 30

Dallas - May 30

Washington DC - June 1

St. Louis - June 1

Phoenix - June 1

Los Angeles - June 1

New York City - June 3-10

Richmond - June 4

Boston - June 8

Atlanta - June 19

Portland - July 20-August 29

Chicago - August 10

Denver - august 24

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The Summer of 2020 is a good start...and it was BE... (show quote)

Emily, Obama wasn't president before or during the summer of 2020.....and, dwp66 asked for riots by democrats AFTER losing an election.

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Apr 10, 2024 22:48:25   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
f**kUp wrote:
Hate to tell you this (not really) but you're flat wrong. Here's a chart showing us the Consumer Price Index over all the years in question...



As you can see, almost ALL of the increase in the CPI actually occurred during the years that Trump's budget was in operation... 2020 and 2021. It actually peaked at the end of that year. Biden's budget took over in 2022 and what do we see? A decline in the CPI.

So the FACT is... Under Trump's policies inflation went up. Under Biden's policies inflation started to come down. But this is how Trump leverages the ignorance of his base, by letting you remain ignorant about the federal budget while stirring up emotions about the hated "Brandon".
Hate to tell you this (not really) but you're flat... (show quote)


You’re not too bright are you. The CPI, which measures price inflation, does not measure as a trend as your bogus graph shows and you erroneously interpret. Price inflation is cumulative as in how much it goes up/down in total over a period of time. In this case, from Jan-2017 to Jan-2021 Trump’s CPI went up 7.7 percent for an average of 1.9 percent per year while from Jan-2021 to March-2024 Biden’s CPI went up 19.4 percent for an average of 6.1 percent per year.

So, the FACT is... Under Trump's policies inflation went up 7.7 percent while under Biden's policies inflation more than doubled at 19.4 percent. Therefore, your “method” illustrates how dummies like you and Biden leverage the ignorance of Biden’s base while stirring up emotions about the hated Trump.

Bottom line… you ain’t too bright.

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Apr 10, 2024 22:50:48   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
dwp66 wrote:
Excellent piece with accurate facts. Unfortunately, most folks here at OPP will simply stop reading after a short while, because empirical data is something they a) know nothing about and, b) don't want to know anything about.

Most here thrive on cognitive dissonance and Dunning Kruger.

Most of them can't provide accurate facts on Trump's accomplishments because there were so few of them, and the ones they list are mostly bullshit - like how Trump "closed" the border.

And now those same individuals will mock you, and call you names of every sort. At least there a few of us here that try to offer a different perspective, but we are most assuredly in the minority. Anyway - Kudos!
Excellent piece with accurate facts. Unfortunately... (show quote)

You wouldn't know accurate facts if they hit you in the ass.

The CPI, which measures price inflation, does not measure as a trend as fu**edUp's bogus graph shows and is erroneously misinterpreted. Price inflation is cumulative as in how much it goes up/down in total over a period of time. In this case, from Jan-2017 to Jan-2021 Trump’s CPI went up 7.7 percent for an average of 1.9 percent per year while from Jan-2021 to March-2024 Biden’s CPI went up 19.4 percent for an average of 6.1 percent per year.

So, the FACT is... Under Trump's policies inflation went up 7.7 percent while under Biden's policies inflation more than doubled at 19.4 percent. Therefore, your “method” illustrates how dummies like you and Biden leverage the ignorance of Biden’s base while stirring up emotions about the hated Trump.

Bottom line… you ain’t too bright either.

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Apr 10, 2024 22:52:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
EmilyD wrote:
Huh....I wonder how one would look up the most articulate comment someone has ever made?
....

Just do a search on straightUp ;) ('kidding) Most browsers support an AI "co-pilot" these days. You could use that to read the result page and ask the AI to grade the style. That's what I would try short of coding something.

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Apr 10, 2024 22:55:38   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
straightUp wrote:
Just do a search on straightUp ;) ('kidding) Most browsers support an AI "co-pilot" these days. You could use that to read the result page and ask the AI to grade the style. That's what I would try short of coding something.

You may be articulate but that doesn't equate to wise.

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Apr 10, 2024 23:15:56   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
dwp66 wrote:
Excellent piece with accurate facts. Unfortunately, most folks here at OPP will simply stop reading after a short while, because empirical data is something they a) know nothing about and, b) don't want to know anything about.

Most here thrive on cognitive dissonance and Dunning Kruger.

Most of them can't provide accurate facts on Trump's accomplishments because there were so few of them, and the ones they list are mostly bullshit - like how Trump "closed" the border.

And now those same individuals will mock you, and call you names of every sort. At least there a few of us here that try to offer a different perspective, but we are most assuredly in the minority. Anyway - Kudos!
Excellent piece with accurate facts. Unfortunately... (show quote)


Thank you '66... Of course I do realize that most people on the alt-right will tune-out pretty quick and depending on who is online, there could be a rash of insults. But I never take any of that personally and I don't write for them anyway so it really doesn't matter what they come back with. On occasion a few of them will make the attempt to actually have a decent discussion. In any case, its nice to get a compliment here and there, so much appreciated.

Dunning Kruger... that's funny. Very applicable though... I've always said democracy requires a certain level of competence... watching Trump supporters vote is a bit like watching monkeys operate a nuclear submarine.

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Apr 10, 2024 23:47:56   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
straightUp wrote:
Thank you '66... Of course I do realize that most people on the alt-right will tune-out pretty quick and depending on who is online, there could be a rash of insults...

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back liar.

Can't refute facts so you ignore them.

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Apr 11, 2024 00:57:44   #
EmilyD
 
LostAggie66 wrote:
Pres Obama was NOT in office the Summer of 2020, Mr Trump was POTUS

Oops, you’re right…I got my riots mixed up…was thinking of the Ferguson riots…thanks.

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Apr 11, 2024 01:20:37   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
You’re not too bright are you. The CPI, which measures price inflation, does not measure as a trend as your bogus graph shows and you erroneously interpret. Price inflation is cumulative as in how much it goes up/down in total over a period of time. In this case, from Jan-2017 to Jan-2021 Trump’s CPI went up 7.7 percent for an average of 1.9 percent per year while from Jan-2021 to March-2024 Biden’s CPI went up 19.4 percent for an average of 6.1 percent per year.

So, the FACT is... Under Trump's policies inflation went up 7.7 percent while under Biden's policies inflation more than doubled at 19.4 percent. Therefore, your “method” illustrates how dummies like you and Biden leverage the ignorance of Biden’s base while stirring up emotions about the hated Trump.

Bottom line… you ain’t too bright.
You’re not too bright are you. The CPI, which meas... (show quote)

Brighter than you Perky. You just used up all those fancy words to tell me what I already know. All you have to do is read the chart - it actually says "annual change in inflation". If you look at the chart you will notice that the point at each year matches the year end figures that add up to your totals. But you're averaging those totals over each term which flattens out the spikes that you see in the chart due to the higher frequency of data points. It's like I'm looking at a high resolution monitor and you're on a low-resolution gameboy screen and you're telling me that MY view is inaccurate.

I will admit to one mistake... I said after 2022 the CPI went down. I meant to say the rate of change in the CPI went down, which means that for that the last two years inflation has been slowing down. And that's Biden grabbing the reins and saying whoa!

The other thing that seems to have flown right over your head is the point I made about the first year of any presidency. You're giving Biden credit for the inflation in 2021 when the budget for 2021 was signed by Trump. The year end figure for 2021 (rate of change) is 4.7% so add that to your 7.7% figure and that comes to 12.4%, but to be fair we should take the figure for 2017 out since that was under Obama's influence, that year end figure is 2.1% so now we're at 10.3% not 7.7%. Then we minus that 4.7% from Biden's total leaving us with 14.7%, not 19.4% All of a sudden, the difference doesn't seem so drastic.

BTW, the budget doesn't actually have THAT much impact on inflation but I'm using it symbolically to make a point... NO economic policy is enacted the minute a president takes office. Almost anything involving money has to go through Congress. Typically, it takes a year at least for a president's economic policies to be implemented.

This leads to my final point. Presidents (in fact, the government as a whole) has VERY little control over inflation anyway. The current inflation is the result of an economy normalizing itself after a near complete shut down. This is when demand suddenly comes back and in this case, it came back faster than the goods could be delivered which prompted players in the private sector to gouge prices. My guess is that this price gouging accounts for at least 80% of the inflation we've experienced.

So it's a bit ridiculous to keep blaming Biden for the inflation. The economic shut down that made inflation inevitable happened under Trump and it was mostly driven by greed in the private sector.

AND... blaming Biden for the inflation STILL isn't an example of something Trump did to help the American middle-class which is STILL something no one here has been able to provide.

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Apr 11, 2024 01:34:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back liar.

Aw... what's the matter Karen? Are the bad people agreeing with each other?

Parky60 wrote:

Can't refute facts so you ignore them.

Looks like you ejaculated prematurely. I just addressed your misinterpreted "facts"

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Apr 11, 2024 01:58:25   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
You may be articulate but that doesn't equate to wise.

"wise" is an adjective, dumbass. If you didn't drop out of school, you would know to use the word "wisdom".

Funny as hell that you're so eager to tell people that they aren't too bright and yet you can't even get the one sentence in your post right.

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Apr 11, 2024 02:23:00   #
TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven
 
dwp66 wrote:
Really? How the heck do you know. I have never said on this forum that I am, so you are blowing smoke. So, naturally, I expect you to search my older posts to find one where I declared myself an Atheist! Good luck!

I grew up in Texas, in the Church of Christ, more conservative than the Southern Baptists, and you know nothing other than the fact that I rejected the teachings of that church. Doesn't mean I don't believe in a higher power - just not the one that I was taught as a kid. I no longer take the Bible literally. So what? That makes you superior?

Padre is, IMO, a sanctimonious, hateful, and bigoted individual who is nothing like the Christian ideal that Jesus preached. I know enough about Christianity to see that in a heartbeat, and IMO he gives Christianity a bad name. And you, Emily, are always here to defend him. No surprise whatsoever that you would chime in here.

And which of my words on this post express "hate"? I made an IMO observation, nothing hateful about it. The true "hater" here is the one you incessantly defend. He hates on others all the time. Jesus would surely be proud of him, don't you think? What say you, Emily?
Really? How the heck do you know. I have never sa... (show quote)


Amen

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