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Apr 10, 2024 16:21:57   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Well, at one time they WERE legitimate agencies, until under Biden's administration, when they were released from following the Constitution.

Releasing an agency from it's obligation to the Constitution would require a paper trail of historic significance. Why don't you stop being such a drama-queen and just say what it is. You think the Biden Administration is violating the Constitution. This happens all the time, an administration will try something that might be constitutionally questionable and leave it up to the courts to decide. Sometimes, it's not even a question. Such as when Trump in 2017 tried to ban all Muslims from entering the country and the SCOTUS had to interfere stating very clearly that the ban violated the Constitution. And this was one of Trump's first actions.

RandyBrian wrote:

And whether or not they are directly under the DOJ is immaterial. The ARE directly under Biden, and they ALL are part and parcel of the unelected bureaucracy that is working in conjunction with the Democrats to keep a monstrous, unsupervised deep state in control of what happens, and NOT Congress under the appropriate Constitutional limits.

So the conspiracy theory goes. Still waiting for evidence. BTW, in case you forgot, we're talking about how these agencies have (and are still) interfering with our elections. I'm noticing that you're getting pretty vague about what the agencies are doing here.

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Apr 10, 2024 16:37:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
EmilyD wrote:
👍👍👍👍👍

I think it is amusing that they use the acronym "MAGA" as if it is an insult to us! I actually like it when they refer to us as "MAGA's"! It is a reminder that America is a great country and Trump wants to keep it that way! (And how much he will be doing it again starting next January 20!!)

I just might make the trip to DC for his inauguration this time!!

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LOL - MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again" which actually implies that it's not "great" at the moment, hence the need to MAKE it great again and yet here you are calling it a reminder that is *IS* a great country. This just further emphasizes the point I'm making about Trump supporters struggling with language.

Of course, it's not a new term. Reagan also used the term, Make American Great Again, although to his credit he actually worked on doing just that. With Trump, it's just a slogan.

If we go back a little further Hitler also used a similar term... Make Germany Great Again. So it's literally a well-worn bit of sloganeering popular with fascists who want to convince people that things are bad now, but if you elect me, I will bring us back to our glory days.

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Apr 10, 2024 16:42:15   #
EmilyD
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again" which actually implies that it's not "great" at the moment, hence the need to MAKE it great again and yet here you are calling it a reminder that is *IS* a great country. This just further emphasizes the point I'm making about Trump supporters struggling with language.

Of course, it's not a new term. Reagan also used the term, Make American Great Again, although to his credit he actually worked on doing just that. With Trump, it's just a slogan.

If we go back a little further Hitler also used a similar term... Make Germany Great Again. So it's literally a well-worn bit of sloganeering popular with fascists who want to convince people that things are bad now, but if you elect me, I will bring us back to our glory days.
LOL - MAGA stands for "Make America Great Aga... (show quote)


Nice try....but.....nope! 😄

The country is anything but great right now...and it's going down the drain more every day....."again" is a very appropriate word to be using about bringing our country back to the greatness it once was.

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Apr 10, 2024 16:42:54   #
TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven
 
RandyBrian wrote:
You don't think so, TJ? Well, I can only speak for myself, but as a 51 year committed and always active Christian, teacher, youth worker, Bible study leader, missions director, Deacon, camp leader, church bus driver, church security team member, sound board operator, and frequent jack of all trades, including substitute preacher, I have only one thing to say about Padremike's comment.......
some times you can only call a spade a spade or a puff of bad smelling writing a bad smelling writing. Anything else would be a lie, and I do not tell lies. Neither does, I suspect, Padremike.
You have been proven to do so regularly.
You don't think so, TJ? Well, I can only speak fo... (show quote)



Your misery is your own

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Apr 10, 2024 16:51:47   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
straightUp wrote:
Except for one problem... the liberal attitude is based on facts, as is continuously proven by investigations and court decisions. That is why "delusion" is far more applicable to the the Trump supporters who depend entirely on unproven conspiracy theories and the stomping of their feet.


Oh Horseshit! "The liberal attitude (code for Marxist) is based on facts." Facts like men can birth babies, men can pretend to be girls and compete in women sports. There is no invasion. Cow farts are killing us. White Supremacy is the greatest terrorist threat we face in America, Trump is a racist. Global warming is an existential threat to the world. Israel must be made to cease fire and ensue peace with terrorist. Abortion is health care. There is no two tier justice system. Crime is diminishing. The economy is great. The leftist BS is running thru my head so fast I think it'll explode if I don't stop. It is no mystery why athiest, nihlist and moral relativist are drawn like blow flies to the fresh, warm bovine scat of the cultural Marxist Democrat Party.

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Apr 10, 2024 16:51:51   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
There are people like that on both sides.
It is more important to them to be agreeing with their side than to be right. I have seen much the same from most of our liberal friends, especially on OPP.

I agree, it's a part of human nature. But the difference I am finding in the aggregate is that liberal and even the old school conservative positions tend to match up more with data and evidence. The alt-right from the Tea Party to MAGA appears to be void of ANY such matches.

RandyBrian wrote:

In your case, you are trying to use the anecdotal case of your friend and daughter and jumping to the illogical and false statement that this is a trend among conservatives. My personal experience is that it is liberals who choose a side, then look for ONLY validating evidence and ignore everything else.

At least they're looking for evidence. That's the part that I can't say the alt-right EVER does. Instead, they rely on conspiracy theories.

And just so you know, I am only referring to what we are calling the alt-right, which includes the MAGA folks. Not the folks you call RINOS.

I'm still trying to figure out why the alt-right is so unique in that respect.

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Apr 10, 2024 16:58:08   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Yes one thing: The price of Regular Gas went from $2.25 in 2016 to over $4.00 in 2020 and this caused the prices of everything else to increase. DO YOU UNERSTAN THIS???


Yes, I do. I asked you to explain ONE thing that Trump did to help the middle-class and you decided to point out that gas prices went up during the Trump administration causing the price of everything else to increase. So can you explain HOW that helps the middle-class?

Also, looking at the graph... I can see that you are correct in that gasoline was at $2.25/gallon at the end of Obama's term in 2016 and then went up under Trump until the pandemic hit then it dropped again. I'm going to say that had more to do with the pandemic than Trump policy. I would say the same for the sudden rise after the pandemic during Biden's first year when the economy was recovering. But what's interesting is how under Biden the prices started to fall again. Interesting because I can see the prices fall under Obama and I can see the prices fall under Biden, but under Trump the only time it fell was during the pandemic.

Maybe you need a different chart because this one is working far better for my argument than it is for yours.

As for my original challenge. I'm not going to ask anymore. I asked you to show me ONE thing that Trump actually did to help the middle-class, not what price of gas was. Presidents don't control the price of gas. Presidents do things like work with Congress to pass healthcare reforms, or invest in infrastructure projects, unless it's Trump the one president in my life time that didn't do sh.t.

So, I'll write this off as just one more example of how Trump supporters can't actually point to a single thing that Trump did for them.

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Apr 10, 2024 17:00:33   #
BIRDMAN
 
straightUp wrote:
Yes, I do. I asked you to explain ONE thing that Trump did to help the middle-class and you decided to point out that gas prices went up during the Trump administration causing the price of everything else to increase. So can you explain HOW that helps the middle-class?


🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪Brandon is helping the middle class of illegal aliens



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Apr 10, 2024 17:02:10   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
EmilyD wrote:
Nice try....but.....nope! 😄

The country is anything but great right now...and it's going down the drain more every day....."again" is a very appropriate word to be using about bringing our country back to the greatness it once was.

....


It has been going to hell every since the 2020 election was stolen by the lying crooked Democrats/Communist/Socialist party and puppet Joe was put into the White House.

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Apr 10, 2024 17:06:26   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
straightUp wrote:
Yes, I do. I asked you to explain ONE thing that Trump did to help the middle-class and you decided to point out that gas prices went up during the Trump administration causing the price of everything else to increase. So can you explain HOW that helps the middle-class?


Like all libs you are full of shit and can not tell the truth.

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Apr 10, 2024 17:09:41   #
EmilyD
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
It has been going to hell every since the 2020 election was stolen by the lying crooked Democrats/Communist/Socialist party and puppet Joe was put into the White House.

Yup! 👍👍👍
What's really of concern is that we still have seven more months of it! And the Marxist left is going to try to ramp it up so that there won't even BE an election this time!

This could well be the election that either saves or ruins our great country!

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Apr 10, 2024 17:23:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Horseshit is a poor excuse for reality. TDS was already evident when the clamor for Trump's impeachment was echoed by the WAPO before he took the oath of office and the persecution has never stopped. Blade perfectly expressed how the DNC State Controlled Marxist Media Propaganda Bureau's created your Trump TDS when he penned:

"The Donald Trump the left hates so viciously is a media construct, a caricature, a false image of a man anyone would hate. They paint their picture of him as the most evil man that ever existed. They hate him more than the Jews hated der Fuhrer. As I see it, they're doing the work of the devil. And, one day, there will be a Reckoning."

It's true! If one believes leftist Propaganda little choice is left except to hate Trump.

I expect you consider yourself too cerebral and balanced to presume that almost everything you believe about Trump you received directly or indirectly thru the MSM. "He's a grifter, a rapist, a con artist, doesn't pay his bills or his contractors, a Putin puppet, a wannabe dictator, an insurrectionist, a traitor, a racist, etc." You hear a lie often enough it magically becomes irrefutable truth. Of course you believe all these inuendoes because everyone says they're true. Every word Trump now utters (ie. bloodbath) the Left attacks to purposely influence simple minded people that Trump is the most evil creature imaginable; they cannot attack his success or tout their own so their only recourse is to attack the person. Then, of course, the most evil, cultural Marxist administration, led by one who has already caused America irreparable harm, a genuinely despicable man whose actual character is in the sludge at the bottom of the sewer goes unscathed, and TDS dictates your loyalty to Biden and your hatred of Trump.

An NPR editor just confessed that there are 87 Democrsts on their staff and zero Republicsns. That their programming was deliberately crafted to destroy Trump and their main source of information came from Adam Schiff. This is a tax supported organization where one would expect them to be balanced instead of a radical leftist mob. Yet they are probably the most balanced of all the DNC State Controlled Marxist Media Propaganda Bureau's.

Where do you get your "fair and balanced" information? I expect it's only from a source that supports your TDS. 😊
Horseshit is a poor excuse for reality. TDS was ... (show quote)


Did you even read my posting? The following excerpt is from the posting you responded to above. The quotes contained within are from an August 2015 op-ed in The American Spectator - not a stalwart of liberal thought - but instead, a revered American conservative publication since 1967.

...The first use of the term 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' may have been by Esther Goldberg in an August 2015 op-ed in The American Spectator; she applied the term to "Ruling Class Republicans" who were/are dismissive or contemptuous of Trump. Krauthammer, in an op-ed harshly criticizing Trump, commented that—in addition to general hysteria about Trump— "Trump Derangement Syndrome" was the "inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and ... signs of psychic pathology" in his behavior. The term has been described as something used by conservative groups whenever someone speaks out critically against Trump, regardless of political affiliation...

Unless I'm mistaken, August of 2015 was well before the campaign and election of 2016...thus, also well before Trump took the oath of office. Yet, according to your post, "TDS was already evident when the clamor for Trump's impeachment was echoed by the WAPO before he took the oath of office and the persecution has never stopped." However, the evidence of TDS came from respected conservative members of the GOP.

One can reasonably assume "fair and balanced" information means something different to you - right alongside 'alternative facts'. Sorry, Mike, but your TDS glows like a neon sign.

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Apr 10, 2024 17:24:41   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
TJKMO wrote:
You are highly conflicted.
You pose in your Sackcloth and Ashes and Behave otherwise.

The Pharisees did not use Jesus’ Words.
They used the OT and the Sanhedrin to CRUCIFY HIM.

Read the PASSION OF THE CHRIST in the NT.
You will be shocked what ACTUALLY occurred.

So tell me TJKMO... do you believe like Andy Stanley that the Old Testament Scriptures are basically obsolete and have no bearing on the lives of Christians in the new covenant?

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Apr 10, 2024 17:31:02   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪Brandon is helping the middle class of illegal aliens

So we're back to the MAGA tradition of shooting in the dark.

Where in that sign do you see the word "illegal"?

First of all, not ALL immigrants are "illegal". In fact, there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. They are either documented or undocumented. If they are undocumented it means they crossed the border illegally which is WHY they didn't get documented... OR because they let their temporary documentation (work visas) expire. Either way, without valid documentation they can't actually get legitimate jobs, which means they aren't included in that big number you got there.

So you are following the MAGA tradition here of making bold accusations based on data you don't understand. Well done.

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Apr 10, 2024 17:38:02   #
EmilyD
 
straightUp wrote:
Yes, I do. I asked you to explain ONE thing that Trump did to help the middle-class and you decided to point out that gas prices went up during the Trump administration causing the price of everything else to increase. So can you explain HOW that helps the middle-class?

Also, looking at the graph... I can see that you are correct in that gasoline was at $2.25/gallon at the end of Obama's term in 2016 and then went up under Trump until the pandemic hit then it dropped again. I'm going to say that had more to do with the pandemic than Trump policy. I would say the same for the sudden rise after the pandemic during Biden's first year when the economy was recovering. But what's interesting is how under Biden the prices started to fall again. Interesting because I can see the prices fall under Obama and I can see the prices fall under Biden, but under Trump the only time it fell was during the pandemic.

Maybe you need a different chart because this one is working far better for my argument than it is for yours.

As for my original challenge. I'm not going to ask anymore. I asked you to show me ONE thing that Trump actually did to help the middle-class, not what price of gas was. Presidents don't control the price of gas. Presidents do things like work with Congress to pass healthcare reforms, or invest in infrastructure projects, unless it's Trump the one president in my life time that didn't do sh.t.

So, I'll write this off as just one more example of how Trump supporters can't actually point to a single thing that Trump did for them.
Yes, I do. I asked you to explain ONE thing that T... (show quote)

Your very first sentence is a lie. Gas prices did not begin to go up until late in 2020....a few weeks before Biden took hold of the reins of our economy and ran it into a big ditch that we're trying to dig ourselves out of now before it buries us!

This is what prices of gas were when Trump was president - it's the chart that Oldsailor posted.....look again...the prices spiked up to $4 as soon as Biden put us into one of the worst economies in our country.
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