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Apr 7, 2024 13:13:48   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Gatsby wrote:
Your so called "facts" are nothing but propaganda, put out by Hamas, and their supporters.

Oh, is that a "fact"? OK, then pick any one of my so-called facts and show me where it was put out by Hamas. Since you are stating this as a fact, you must have the proof right? Let's see it.

Let's see if you can do any better than Sparky over there who insists there is video footage that proves Hamas raped and mutilated people but still can't find it.

Gatsby wrote:

If You support Hamas, then You too are a BARBARIAN!

I never said I support Hamas. I only said I understand their frustration.

It's also my opinion that anyone who is willing to turn a blind eye to Israel's slaughter of an entire population and is willing to subscribe to ANY BS story that demonizes the victims so as to justify the slaughter is the real barbarian.

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Apr 7, 2024 13:18:12   #
Justice101
 
straightUp wrote:
Maybe you're just too stupid to understand.

YOU are the one posting the opinion that Hamas was raping and mutilating people and insisting it's a fact.
What I am doing is asking you to prove it.
Asking someone to prove something is not "unproven BS".

You sent me some links, I assume because you're too lazy or incapable to actually make a case.
I read the links and simply pointed out why they don't actually prove anything... and I even explained why.
Pointing to a lack of evidence is not "unproven BS" either.

I asked you to show me ONE video that proves your claim
You haven't done that and I'm betting you can't.
And in case you didn't know... asking for evidence is not "unproven BS" either.

Look Sparky,

Anyone can tell a fake story.
Anyone can post pictures of carnage and lie about what caused it.
I'm sorry if that's all you have. But without any testimonies from eye-witnesses, or actual videos of the events themselves or even official records related to the events, it's just not conclusive.

That's not an opinion. That's a standard practice in journalism AND law. So don't get all angry with me just because I asked you for proof that you can't find.
Maybe you're just too stupid to understand. br b... (show quote)


https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/

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Apr 7, 2024 13:18:59   #
martsiva
 
straightUp wrote:
Ah, yes... Canned response #214... "Don't like immigrants? Tired of liberals saying we should help them? Try asking a liberal if he's helping any of them personally. That'll shut them up."

Seriously, the lamest response possible... That's like telling someone he has no right to support the war on terrorism unless he's personally killing terrorists with own gun.

As an individual, I don't have the capacity to save all the refugees anymore than I have the capacity to wage war on international terrorism with just me, my dog and my shotgun. As an individual, I don't have the power to give immigrants the official documents they need to get legitimate jobs and start paying taxes either.

Don't be stupid. The crisis at the border is a big problem that requires the action of a big government, especially since the big government is creating the problem to start with.

I will be more than happy to see my tax dollars being spent on upgrading our immigration system to increase its capacity, save these refugees from danger and despair and help them assimilate into our society.
Ah, yes... Canned response #214... "Don't lik... (show quote)


You are a disgusting anti-American who doesn`t give a damn about the sovereignty of this nation and thinks we should just open our borders to illegals!! They are NOT refugees and that has been proven by Judicial Watch who actually sent their people into these caravans and found out these people weren't running from anything - they just want a 'better life'!! It has already cost this country $150 BILLION EVERY YEAR since Biden took office to take care of these people!! Don`t even go there with how bad things are in their countries when they have the sheer volume of their numbers alone to clean up their own countries!! You are one of those traitors who puts illegals first before the needs of this country!!

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Apr 7, 2024 14:12:53   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
He’s exactly what’s wrong with this country. He’s an over educated dumba**, who thinks way too much of his own opinion. He ‘s a liar, atheist, anti-Semite and needs a good beat down.
martsiva wrote:
You are a disgusting anti-American who doesn`t give a damn about the sovereignty of this nation and thinks we should just open our borders to illegals!! They are NOT refugees and that has been proven by Judicial Watch who actually sent their people into these caravans and found out these people weren't running from anything - they just want a 'better life'!! It has already cost this country $150 BILLION EVERY YEAR since Biden took office to take care of these people!! Don`t even go there with how bad things are in their countries when they have the sheer volume of their numbers alone to clean up their own countries!! You are one of those traitors who puts illegals first before the needs of this country!!
You are a disgusting anti-American who doesn`t giv... (show quote)

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Apr 7, 2024 14:21:12   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
We already know what Trump's position on this is. When he took credit for the work his son-in-law, Jaret Kushner did to create "The Deal of the Century" aka., the Abraham Accords, it was the first so-called "peace deal" ever brokered by a U.S. president that didn't actually include any agreement between enemies.

Carter, Clinton and Obama were all involved in negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian people in order to promote peace between them. Kushner left the the Palestinians completely out of the deal and negotiated a deal instead between Israel and some Gulf states that were NEVER at war with them in the first place for the purpose of opening up trade for cell phones.

Trump also excluded the Palestinian people from any negotiation when he moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and declared that Jerusalem belongs to Israel 100%, thereby dismissing a Muslim claim that goes back more than a thousand years.

When Trump was in office, he made no effort to stop Israel from cutting off the Palestinians from any and all negotiations. It was the first time in decades the Palestinians were completely shut out and it's logical to suspect that this is why Hamas went on a kidnapping spree on October 7th. To regain some leverage with which to negotiate.

We see it in the movies all the time... "Fine you don't want to negotiate? Well, maybe this will change your mind. We have your daughter."

In the short time, they were able to breech the security fence, Hamas collected hundreds of hostages. Meanwhile, all the stories of rape, mutilation and wanton murder are so far, unsubstantiated. It seems pretty clear to me that Hamas was trying to use hostages to force Israel back to the table.

So once again, dumbass Donny creates another fiasco without even realizing it.

As it turns out, it didn't work because Netanyahu doesn't care about the hostages... as proven by the fact that he is ordering airstrikes on the locations where they are suspected to be. There is also the fact that most of the hostages came from a part of southern Israel where people tend to lean left politically and have been opposing Netanyahu's hard-right political party, Likud for years.

It's hard to say what would happen if Trump were in office today. I would venture to guess he would support Netanyahu's genocide 100% WITHOUT any caution about the violations of human rights or international law. That would make the job a lot easier but it would also abandon the American and Christian values of humanity and justice that Biden is trying to defend.
We already know what Trump's position on this is. ... (show quote)


The journalists who have seen the videos disagree with you. Hamas, obviously, miscalculated the Isreali response. Now they are going to lose their lives. America should fully support the Isrealis. There is no genocide going on, Palestinians don't exist as a group. They are Arabs that nobody wants, nothing more. Nobody wants them because they are violent intolerant people and it would help isreal

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Apr 7, 2024 14:23:11   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
No one wants to tell the truth. The world would be a better place without Islamists and progressives.
WEBCO wrote:
The journalists who have seen the videos disagree with you. Hamas, obviously, miscalculated the Isreali response. Now they are going to lose their lives. America should fully support the Isrealis. There is no genocide going on, Palestinians don't exist as a group. They are Arabs that nobody wants, nothing more. Nobody wants them because they are violent intolerant people and it would help isreal

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Apr 7, 2024 14:27:39   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
Ah, yes... Canned response #214... "Don't like immigrants? Tired of liberals saying we should help them? Try asking a liberal if he's helping any of them personally. That'll shut them up."

Seriously, the lamest response possible... That's like telling someone he has no right to support the war on terrorism unless he's personally killing terrorists with own gun.

As an individual, I don't have the capacity to save all the refugees anymore than I have the capacity to wage war on international terrorism with just me, my dog and my shotgun. As an individual, I don't have the power to give immigrants the official documents they need to get legitimate jobs and start paying taxes either.

Don't be stupid. The crisis at the border is a big problem that requires the action of a big government, especially since the big government is creating the problem to start with.

I will be more than happy to see my tax dollars being spent on upgrading our immigration system to increase its capacity, save these refugees from danger and despair and help them assimilate into our society.
Ah, yes... Canned response #214... "Don't lik... (show quote)


Our border is being overrun by the population of the world. Don't forget Biden invited them here, hell he's even flying them into our country. The laws are not being enforced and bidens dumb ass revoked the EOs that worked at keeping them in Mexico.

If these people are all refugees how come we haven't heard about countries persecuting over 6 million people? If their countries are persecuting them how come we continue to give these governments, persecuting their citizens, money.

These people are coming for financial reasons...nothing more.

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Apr 7, 2024 14:33:55   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
Problem there is that there's no evidence that Hamas actually DID any of those things. But Israel does it to Palestinians all the time. There are thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israel that were never tried. Many of them are children. These prisoners ARE tortured routinely. They are often blindfolded and shackled to fences for days on end. Many of them have injuries caused by shackles that lead to amputations.

Basically, what you are doing here is packaging up all the inhumane actions of Israel and projecting it on the Palestinians. You're charging the victims with the crimes. And you have the gall to question the hearts of others?
Problem there is that there's no evidence that Ham... (show quote)


Please show ANY evidence that "palestinians" want, or would agree to a 2 state solution? They have rejected this numerous times. The Isrealis treat the "Palestinians" better than their own government of hamas...who's charter says that ALL jews must die, not just Isrealis. If I was an Isreali, I wouldn't stop until Palestine was free of Palestinians.

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Apr 7, 2024 14:41:01   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
Maybe you're just too stupid to understand.

YOU are the one posting the opinion that Hamas was raping and mutilating people and insisting it's a fact.
What I am doing is asking you to prove it.
Asking someone to prove something is not "unproven BS".

You sent me some links, I assume because you're too lazy or incapable to actually make a case.
I read the links and simply pointed out why they don't actually prove anything... and I even explained why.
Pointing to a lack of evidence is not "unproven BS" either.

I asked you to show me ONE video that proves your claim
You haven't done that and I'm betting you can't.
And in case you didn't know... asking for evidence is not "unproven BS" either.

Look Sparky,

Anyone can tell a fake story.
Anyone can post pictures of carnage and lie about what caused it.
I'm sorry if that's all you have. But without any testimonies from eye-witnesses, or actual videos of the events themselves or even official records related to the events, it's just not conclusive.

That's not an opinion. That's a standard practice in journalism AND law. So don't get all angry with me just because I asked you for proof that you can't find.
Maybe you're just too stupid to understand. br b... (show quote)


Here I did a little research for you, because you're too lazy to search for the truth





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Apr 7, 2024 14:42:21   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
I never said I support Hamas. I only said I understand their frustration.

It's also my opinion that anyone who is willing to turn a blind eye to Israel's slaughter of an entire population and is willing to subscribe to ANY BS story that demonizes the victims so as to justify the slaughter is the real barbarian.


You don't know barbarism then

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Apr 7, 2024 15:10:55   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Justice101 wrote:
https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/

Interesting article... Not sure what your point is. It's basically a survey of opinions. And aren't you the one who said opinions are not facts?

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Apr 7, 2024 15:16:33   #
Justice101
 
straightUp wrote:
Interesting article... Not sure what your point is. It's basically a survey of opinions. And aren't you the one who said opinions are not facts?


I placed the article to show in the poll that more Americans support Israel than Hamas. That is the fact. You are the one stuck on opinions Slick.

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Apr 7, 2024 16:15:04   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
martsiva wrote:
You are a disgusting anti-American who doesn`t give a damn about the sovereignty of this nation and thinks we should just open our borders to illegals!!

You're delusional - lol

martsiva wrote:

They are NOT refugees and that has been proven by Judicial Watch who actually sent their people into these caravans and found out these people weren't running from anything - they just want a 'better life'!!

First of all, show me a refugee who isn't looking for a better life. Maybe you're getting confused... a refugee doesn't necessarily mean a fugitive.

Secondly, I don't know who "Judicial Watch" is... for all I know, it could be an organization of dimwits. Also there are thousands migrants... are you seriously going to tell me that Judicial Watch has enough people and money to interview every migrant out there?

Thirdly, I have a close friend who works for the RC church in New York and she is dealing with immigrants everyday. I have met some of them and yes, some of them ARE refugees. So forgive me for not bowing to the awesome authority of "Judicial Watch" but what they are saying on the Internet and what I am witnessing first hand do NOT match.

martsiva wrote:

It has already cost this country $150 BILLION EVERY YEAR since Biden took office to take care of these people!!

Well that's better than what Trump was claiming when he was still in office!



According to most Republicans there are WAY more undocumented immigrants now than there was when Trump was in charge, so if there is any truth to the blabber it means that Biden is far more efficient at dealing with the issue than Trump was. Or... maybe you right-wing dingbats should get your stories straight.

Also the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration Integrity, Security, and Enforcement that came up with the $150 billion figure is dominated by election deniers, so their credibility is in question and I already see one flaw... they included the cost of welfare. I know for a fact that undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare.

martsiva wrote:

Don`t even go there with how bad things are in their countries when they have the sheer volume of their numbers alone to clean up their own countries!!

That's incredibly short-sighted, verging on complete stupidity. The sheer number of people has nothing to do with their ability to clean up their own country. You people are the first to say that America is in such bad shape and yet we are the third most populous country on Earth.

martsiva wrote:

You are one of those traitors who puts illegals first before the needs of this country!!

I treat all humans with the same respect until they give me a reason not to. If you're going to get all pissed off because I give the same respect to an immigrant that I give to a citizen, that's YOUR problem.

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Apr 7, 2024 16:18:33   #
WEBCO
 
straightUp wrote:
I treat all humans with the same respect until they give me a reason not to. If you're going to get all pissed off because I give the same respect to an immigrant that I give to a citizen, that's YOUR problem.


You are wrong, illegal immigrants are eligible for welfare.

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Apr 7, 2024 16:46:10   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
He’s exactly what’s wrong with this country. He’s an over educated dumba**, who thinks way too much of his own opinion. He ‘s a liar, atheist, anti-Semite and needs a good beat down.

I haven't lied yet... You just don't like what I have to say. I never said I'm an atheist either, so it looks like YOU are the one who's lying.

I'm not anti-Semitic either. Technically, the term comes from archeology and is a reference to a language group, which is the best way to categorize ancient people and culture based on inscriptions found on artifacts. The Semitic people spread from Eastern Africa to the Middle-East. Now, here's the interesting thing... The original Hebrews (Sephardic Jews) were/are indeed Semites, but so are the Arabs... ALL of them, including Palestinians. By contrast, most of the Zionist Israeli's are Ashkenazi Jews who are NOT Semitic people at all. These people hail from the Indo-European language group.

To make it easier for the racists here to understand the difference. Semites have dark eyes and dark hair. A Jew with blonde hair and blue eyes is NOT Semitic. But in the throes of ignorance and hate, we have idiots calling those who are defending Semitic Arabs, anti-Semites.

So maybe stop trying to use fancy words that you don't understand. What kind of bigot are you actually accusing me of being? anti-Jewish? Is that what you mean? No, I am not anti-Jewish. Anti-Israeli? No, I'm not anti-Israeli either. Anti-Zionist? Bingo!

So if you're going to accuse me of something, at least get your sh.t straight.

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