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Apr 3, 2024 10:57:56   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Only a few other countries are being stupid like Biden. The rest are laughing at the dumb Americans and their woke, leftist, green idiotic nonsense.


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Apr 3, 2024 12:07:59   #
pegw
 
JFlorio wrote:
You have no idea what your talking about. Gas goes up in the summer of course, but that’s not why it’s way more expensive than it was under Trump.


Under Trump, there was low demand, and prices crashed.

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Apr 3, 2024 12:11:04   #
pegw
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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jimpack, don't fool me, and don't talk your nonsense to me again! You are talking of the opposite. Biden buys oils from countries that don't have fine processing/refining facilities. Then the oil is processed in the US, where all the CO2's are exploded/emitted into the US air atmosphere. Therefore our air is the one polluted by Joe.

Biden imports all those unprocessed dirty oils loaded with CO2's from other countries and process them into the US, where the C02's are exploded into the US atmosphere. But prevents us digging our own oil for climate change!

How dumb and stupid that is! I can't stand this anymore. Please get rid of Biden this Nov. 2024.
============= br I jimpack, don't fool me, and ... (show quote)

You obviously did not take chemistry in high school.

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Apr 3, 2024 12:14:03   #
pegw
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
Me either. I still can’t believe how they are going to make 18 wheelers electric. They said the truck could go 300 miles, then would take 12 hours to recharge. This is totally crazy, talk about getting products to the stores will be a big shortage, and that will cause chaos, like covid times trying to find toilet paper. These greenies to go go live in another country.


There already is 18 wheelers that are electric.

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Apr 3, 2024 12:23:54   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
pegw wrote:
There already is 18 wheelers that are electric.


That get towed around by F-150s. 🤣

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Apr 3, 2024 12:31:28   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JFlorio wrote:
Looks like the greenies backed by the Biden weenies might just get their wish of unaffordable oil products down the road. Be careful what you wish for.

On a side note one group gives Biden a positive approval rating. 82% approval. People earning over $400,000/yr or more. Ah the working man’s president indeed.



So many factors, why oil may hit $140-$160 a barrel.
America is fighting 7 wars (most proxy)
Cyber attacks on infrastructure (Baltimore bridge) will happen, far exceeding 9/11
Panama/Seuez/Red Sea shipping down over 35% since 2021
Refineries that can only Refine sweet crude oil being sold overseas and aging Refineries having long repair outages (plus expected cyber attacks)
Saudi preparing for further cuts of oil exports to America
China taking Taiwan (Watch, China move very soon....within 9 months
Policies from this administration

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Apr 3, 2024 12:43:09   #
pegw
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
So many factors, why oil may hit $140-$160 a barrel.
America is fighting 7 wars (most proxy)
Cyber attacks on infrastructure (Baltimore bridge) will happen, far exceeding 9/11
Panama/Seuez/Red Sea shipping down over 35% since 2021
Refineries that can only Refine sweet crude oil being sold overseas and aging Refineries having long repair outages (plus expected cyber attacks)
Saudi preparing for further cuts of oil exports to America
China taking Taiwan (Watch, China move very soon....within 9 months
Policies from this administration
So many factors, why oil may hit $140-$160 a barre... (show quote)


Most of the reasons you are giving is your point of view. t
The price of gas is tied to what the price per barrel is going internationally, and today it was $85.

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Apr 3, 2024 12:49:42   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
pegw wrote:
Most of the reasons you are giving is your point of view. t
The price of gas is tied to what the price per barrel is going internationally, and today it was $85.


Let's not let's facts get in your way.
Maybe you just need to look up what's happening on the Panama canal...not opinion or did you only read the last line "Biden policies " which was only one of many bullet points

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Apr 3, 2024 12:55:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
Looks like the greenies backed by the Biden weenies might just get their wish of unaffordable oil products down the road. Be careful what you wish for.

It's not a wish, it's a prediction and it looks like those "greenies" are right. There are several reasons for the current increase in oil prices, including...

1. Instability in the Middle-East.
2. A projected shortfall of oil from Mexico.
3. Continued commitment by OPEC nations to cut production.
4. Projected escalation of demand from China.

None of these factors have anything to do with the US and yet we still pay the price. In fact, we are producing more oil today than we have EVER produced in our entire history. The whole time Biden has been in office our production has been at full-throttle... and yet this is still happening.

What the "greenies" seem to understand that their opponents don't is that the influence of domestic oil production on the global market is limited.

I know Dumbass Donny keeps saying that HE made us "energy independent" during his term but that's actually BS... For ONE quarter, we actually did export more oil than we imported. But that did NOT make us energy independent because we were STILL importing oil!

One might ask… Why were we still importing oil when we had so much oil to export? The simple answer is that almost all of our refineries are designed for heavy crude and most of what we extract today is light sweet crude. So we export light crude to countries that can refine it and we import heavy crude for our own refineries to process. This arrangement makes good business sense for Big Oil but also guarantees our dependency on foreign oil, no matter how much we actually drill.

Something else to consider when evaluating the magical minute when our exports exceeded our imports... The fact that while the rate of increased production remained consistent, it was the rate of demand that varied. Interestingly, Obama's push for conservation coincides with the decline in demand, that eventually dipped below our level of exports while Trump's reversal of such policies coincides with our return to increased demands, which once again pushed our imports back to above the level of our exports.

In any case, none of this makes any difference to the fact that we have been depending on foreign oil since 1974 and no, we can NOT just DRILL our way to energy independence. Either we have to wait for Big Oil to change their business model or we need to INNOVATE our way to energy-independence by finding alternative sources.

JFlorio wrote:

On a side note one group gives Biden a positive approval rating. 82% approval. People earning over $400,000/yr or more. Ah the working man’s president indeed.

It's more typical now for income to be reported per household, rather than per individual. A $400,000 income is described by analysts as "comfortable" for an upper-middle class family of four living in a city. My guess is that these families have members that are educated and smart enough to know that Biden is actually doing a good job.

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Apr 3, 2024 13:22:42   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
straightUp wrote:
It's more typical now for income to be reported per household, rather than per individual. A $400,000 income is described by analysts as "comfortable" for an upper-middle class family of four living in a city. My guess is that these families have members that are educated and smart enough to know that Biden is actually doing a good job.



America's oil production being high does not help, majority of our oil produced, America's Refineries cannot Refine, only the lessor oil "Sweet Crude".
EPA has hogtied America's Refineries with such stringent regulations of retooling and/or building Refineries to handle the "heavy crude", which is why America must sell "Heavy Crude" to other countries, then buy back the refined oil/gas.
This brings us back to shipping and supply chain issues, projected to become much much worse....ie; $140-$160 per barrel, from the approaching today price $90 per barrel.

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Apr 3, 2024 13:27:13   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
straightUp wrote:
It's more typical now for income to be reported per household, rather than per individual. A $400,000 income is described by analysts as "comfortable" for an upper-middle class family of four living in a city. My guess is that these families have members that are educated and smart enough to know that Biden is actually doing a good job.


You must not be one of the educated one!

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Apr 3, 2024 13:47:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
pegw wrote:
Under Trump, there was low demand, and prices crashed.


B.S.. You dumba** Biden cult members know nothing so you either repeat a lie or outright lie. Keep ruining the environment by promoting green energy industries. As long as the bureaucrats can convince you you’re doing good, you’ll give yourself a pat on the back. Democrats are the stupidest sheeple ever.

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Apr 3, 2024 13:48:57   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
microphor wrote:
You must not be one of the educated one!


He’s such a little punk. I am ignoring the pri**.

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Apr 3, 2024 13:49:46   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
JFlorio wrote:
B.S.. You dumba** Biden cult members know nothing so you either repeat a lie or outright lie. Keep ruining the environment by promoting green energy industries. As long as the bureaucrats can convince you you’re doing good, you’ll give yourself a pat on the back. Democrats are the stupidest sheeple ever.



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Apr 3, 2024 15:22:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
America's oil production being high does not help, majority of our oil produced, America's Refineries cannot Refine, only the lessor oil "Sweet Crude".

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. Most of America's refineries (or to be more exact, the private-sector refineries built on American spoil but often with foreign owners) can't process what comes out of American land. I think you have it backwards though... most of these refineries are designed to process heavy crude, which we import while most of what comes out of the land is light sweet crude which we export.

The reason for this is that oil companies were investing more in refineries during a period of time when we could no longer pull higher-grade oil from the ground and we were left with low-grade crap... Heavy and sour crude, desperately pulling it from sand tar and other last-resort sources. Then came fracking and that allowed companies to extract light crude again, but it made better business sense to just export the light crude to countries that already have the facilities to process it. Most of what we are importing is the heavy crude which we can still proces.

jack sequim wa wrote:

EPA has hogtied America's Refineries with such stringent regulations of retooling and/or building Refineries to handle the "heavy crude", which is why America must sell "Heavy Crude" to other countries, then buy back the refined oil/gas.

I don't buy that for a second. Yes, the EPA regulates the industry as well they should, especially when processing heavy crude which is a super dirty job. But the reason why companies don't build refineries to handle light crude has more to do with the fact that they can make a bigger profit by exporting it.

Chances are if you find a profit-motive you've found the smoking gun... if your blaming regulations all you really found is an excuse not to blame the business.

jack sequim wa wrote:

This brings us back to shipping and supply chain issues, projected to become much much worse....ie; $140-$160 per barrel, from the approaching today price $90 per barrel.

Yes, that can become a problem but again the blame goes to the industry not Biden or the EPA. It takes many, many years to build a refinery, many more years than Biden has been in office. So, put two and two together.

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