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Mar 22, 2024 22:11:32   #
LindaK
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
That would make you part of the problem. Not the solution.


We do not need to explain to you why we still have the beliefs we do. We can choose to believe, or not, it’s totally up to a free people to make that decision for themselves. Protected by our first amendment rights.

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Mar 22, 2024 22:16:16   #
LindaK
 
Rose42 wrote:
They are.
. Agreed even while the radicals would love nothing more than to have those protected rights ended, censored by those who don’t agree with us. Once a USSC JUDGE stated even ‘the rights of our children do not stop at the school yard gates’.

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Mar 22, 2024 23:11:03   #
LindaK
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
It did no such thing. It did not outlaw abortion. It just followed the Constitution and left the decision on how to regulate abortion to each state.


Correct. They just can’t accept that not all agree with their personal ideologies.

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Mar 22, 2024 23:19:30   #
LindaK
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
It did no such thing. It did not outlaw abortion. It just followed the Constitution and left the decision on how to regulate abortion to each state.
. They dislike very much any free person who doesn’t hold their own beliefs or that we don’t support allowing them to kill off innocent human babies. There are other ways these unwanted human babies can live and be adopted by families where they’d be loved, wanted by families who really want to add another member to their families. Some who have such love for children they adopt babies with disabilities.

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Mar 22, 2024 23:26:43   #
LindaK
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Another person preferring to dictates her beliefs to the control of others. In actuality, taking human rights away from others based on religious beliefs. A violation of the constitution.


Much better than supporting killing these unborn babies up until the time they would naturally be born. Especially when these women have other choices.

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Mar 22, 2024 23:28:54   #
LindaK
 
Rose42 wrote:
Nope. You make many wrong assumptions and invariably presume to know more than you do.
. Agree.

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Mar 22, 2024 23:40:15   #
LindaK
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Nick, I am a Jewish American that is against any formal connection between government and religion. Thomas Jefferson wanted a wall between church and state, and I for one agree with him. People should be free to join any religion or no religion at all.
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Reading one of our Founders myself, Jefferson, and what I came aware of is Jefferson did not have the other Founders agreement on making our new nation/did not have the agreement on this specific issue. No mention of abortions that many decades ago. He was reported to have carried a Bible around with him, with the parts/pages he didn’t agree with torn out of his personal Bible. He didn’t have enough support from even our other Founders to make our newly formed nation into a secular nation. Our coinage even dates back to the mid 1800’s with ‘In God We Trust’ imprinted on our US coins.

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Mar 23, 2024 00:08:18   #
dbirch
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Historically, Christians murdered over 12 million people for refusing to convert. No surprise. That is still going on in Nigeria. Care to try again to make a valid point? Now that abortions are being banned in various states due to religions, more women are dying in childbirth. Proven fact. So, yes, religions are still causing the deaths of people who did not deserve to die.


Do you realize that Christians are being slaughter all over the world. Does this not matter because you don't believe?
Women died in child birth for century's but only because a made up right to killing children was overturned now it matters. You don't want to believe in a power higher than yourself don't none us cares. When you attack people who believe different than you we feel pity for you.

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Mar 23, 2024 00:45:02   #
biffisbuff
 
I am curious as to why anti abortion people keep saying that Democrats support abortion all the way up to birth.....that is not true and also roe v wade didn't do that either..roe tried to strike a balance with abortion legal up to a time that the fetus was viable outside of the womb.... medical advances over the past 4 decades have made that time frame shorter..But just like many other groups of people with an agenda who get what they want....then they don't know when to stop...There should be some kinda balance because cases of rape or incest or some medical problems should be a private choice with the mother and her Dr...the stuff going on with frozen embryos is way over the top ... saying an embryo is a child is an example of not knowing when to stop... forcing a rape victim to have a child is another example of not knowing when to stop...and claiming she can just put child up for adoption is not entirely possible for some people and many factors are possibly involved...I realize that abortion is a very touchy subject for many people and I am mostly neutral on it..I don't think abortion should be used as birth control but what if the mother can't provide a good home or she can be good mom but poverty is very possible or violence?...so many possibilities or scenarios....But definitely there needs to be some give and take that strikes a balance....

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Mar 23, 2024 02:57:50   #
Hydro
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Agreed

Carl Sagan sums up religion quite well.


One day federally IM - one day you will come face to face with the only person that has the power to forgive you - but at that point it will be too late - assuming you are a father - your sickness will transpose itself on them by osmosis - what you choose to do with your life is one thing but to take your seed with you is the highest act of selfishness

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Mar 23, 2024 07:18:31   #
DAV
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheism: Hopeless, Meaningless, Purposeless
by Avery Foley and Ken Ham

In our secular Western culture, the religion of atheism is on the rise, especially among the millennial generation. Young people are increasingly abandoning the religion they grew up with and turning to life without God. But all they’ve done is replace one religion with another one—the religion of atheism.

The Religion of Atheism

Now, when I call atheism a religion on social media, many atheists get very upset. They hate having atheism referred to as a religion or a belief system. But that’s exactly what it is. One of the definitions of religion is:

A cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

Atheism is a system of beliefs that atheists cling to with both ardor and faith. Below are some of the tenets of this belief system. Notice that none of them are scientifically proven (and even go against science!)—that’s where atheists’ faith comes in. They accept these assertions based on faith that they are true.

* There is no God or gods.
* There is no supernatural.
* Everything is the result of naturalistic processes over time.
* Life evolved from a single-celled organism.
* Death is the end—when you’re dead, that’s it.

Atheism—A Good Alternative?

Is atheism a good alternative religion? Does it provide its followers with hope, meaning, and purpose, something human experience shows we all crave? Or is it a religion devoid of hope, meaning, and purpose?

Hope?

Consider this: according to the atheistic religion, there is no God and death is the end. Because we are nothing more than animals, our fate is the same as the animals—we return to the dust. We have maybe 80 years on this planet—more if we are especially fortunate, less if we’re not so fortunate—and then we are gone. We won’t remember we ever lived, and eventually no one else will either.

Things are just as bleak in the cosmic view. According to evolutionary ideas, the universe will continue expanding forever, all the usable energy in the universe will be converted into a useless form, and life will be impossible. Not only is each individual human rushing headlong toward the grave, so is our very universe. Our species, just like every other species, is destined for extinction. None of our accomplishments, advancements, breakthroughs, triumphs, or heartbreaks will ultimately matter as we face extinction along with our universe. This is certainly a bleak and hopeless perspective.

Meaning?

“Why am I here?” is a question that every human wants answered. We innately know that our lives have some kind of meaning. But where does it come from and what is it? Does atheism give the answer?

Well, some atheists will say the meaning of life is found in helping others or making humankind better. Now this seems admirable—after all, who doesn’t want to end world hunger, cure cancer, or clothe the orphaned?—until one asks, “Why?”

You see, in an atheistic worldview, we are animals headed for the grave, and our universe is spinning each day toward the end. Why does it matter if we help anyone? Why does it matter if we make humankind better? We will die, and they will die.

Other atheists seem to have made it their personal meaning in life to attack religion (except their own)—particularly biblical Christianity. They claim religion (other than their own) is responsible for war, hatred, and ignorance. But again, why does this matter? If Christians—and everyone they come in contact with—just die, and that’s it, why does it matter what they believed? If it ultimately doesn’t matter, why do they fight so hard against Christianity? (The Bible tells us they fight so hard against Christianity because they are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness [Romans 1:18] because they love darkness and sin [John 3:19], as do all men before claiming Christ as their Savior [1 Corinthians 2:14; 6:11]).

In an atheistic view, our lives have no real meaning. We are just the result of random, chance processes over millions of years, and it’s just an accident of nature that we happen to be here. How’s that for meaning for your life?

Purpose?

Does atheism offer a sense of purpose for our short lives? To put it simply, no it doesn’t. You see, in an atheistic worldview it doesn’t matter how we live or what we do, because there is no ultimate standard for right and wrong and because everyone’s fate is the same—death.

In this view there can be no right and wrong. Since there is no God, there can be no ultimate foundation for morality. So who decides what is good and evil? Is it the individual, society, a specific government, whoever has the most power or the biggest guns?

In the atheistic view, we are simply animals doing what animals do. Animals kill, steal, abandon their offspring, practice promiscuity, and, generally speaking, just look out for themselves. If we’re just animals, then these things can’t possibly be wrong for us anymore than they are wrong for any other animal. So in this view, why does it matter what we do? Nothing is right or wrong. Why not just live however we please and do whatever we want?

If there’s no ultimate right and wrong and no ultimate justice, then it doesn’t matter how we live our lives. It makes no difference if we live as a Mother Theresa or a Hitler—indeed who is to say one is better than the other? The things Mother Theresa did might make us smile and feel good, and the things Hitler did might make us shudder, but, really, that’s just one person’s personal opinion on what is admirable and what is detestable. In the atheistic worldview, there is no ultimate authority by which to either praise or denounce these actions; since there is no ultimate justice, it doesn’t matter how either of these people lived. Indeed, if death is the end, then the best thing to do is to live however makes you feel good—if you only live once, live it up!

Atheism offers no purpose to life because no matter how you live or what you do, your fate is the same: death.
“All is Vanity”

Did you know the Bible agrees with this bleak view of life without God? The Old Testament book of Ecclesiastes, a philosophical look at the meaning of life, expresses the hopelessness of life void of God with the constant refrain “all is vanity” (Ecclesiastes 1:2, 14, 2:17). The author, King Solomon, writes about the seeming hopelessness and purposelessness of life when he says,

For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. (Ecclesiastes 3:19–20)

Solomon tries all the typical ways to find meaning and purpose—money, relationships, pleasure, power—yet again concludes, “All is vanity” (Ecclesiastes 12:8). Without God, life is simply vanity—meaningless. The Apostle James puts it this way: “For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away” (James 4:14). The psalmist writes, “Man is like a breath; his days are like a passing shadow” (Psalm 144:4). Man lives, dies, and is gone—where is the hope, meaning, or purpose we all yearn for?

“The Conclusion of the Whole Matter”

If we only look to this world and start our thinking with man’s ideas about the past, the only logical and consistent conclusion is to echo the words of Solomon, “All is vanity.” If we’re simply animals and when we die, that’s it, we’re dead, what is the point of our existence? Should we just throw up our hands and cry “vanity” and then go about pretending our short lives have meaning? No!

At the very end of his search Solomon declares,

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13–14)


Life has no meaning without God. But there is a God. We are not animals who happened to evolve through millions of years of random chance processes. The Bible describes us much differently:

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them (Genesis 1:27).

For you formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
I will praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. (Psalm 139:13–14)

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you (Jeremiah 1:5).


We have been uniquely created and formed by the Creator of the universe. We are not accidents.

As Solomon writes, the things we do in this life, indeed our very lives, have a purpose: “fear God and keep His commandments.” We don’t obey the Lord simply as a “get-out-of-jail-free card” from some cosmic prison, as many atheists contest. We also don’t obey Him to try to somehow give meaning to our actions and lives. No, we obey the Lord because it is the mark of those who love Him: “If you love Me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). But in obeying, we get the purpose and meaning that we so desperately crave. God has created humans to desire meaning and purpose of their life because it is only found in Him!

Our Creator also gives us hope: “For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil” (Ecclesiastes 12:14). Both the good and evil things done in the world, even those things done in secret, will eventually be judged by the perfect Judge. There is ultimate justice for everyone. So we can’t simply live any way that we please with no regard for right and wrong. Right and wrong are given to us in God’s Word, and our choices have weight and significance for more than just today. Even in the midst of evil and chaos, we can have hope that justice will indeed be served.

“A Living Hope”

We can also have hope because of Someone who came from the lineage of Solomon’s father, King David. Jesus Christ, the God-man, stepped into history when He was born of a virgin and was laid in a humble manger. He lived a sinless life, perfectly obeyed His Heavenly Father, and chose to die on the Cross. Through His sacrificial death He took the penalty that we deserve—death—upon Himself (1 Corinthians 5:21). But He didn’t stay dead. He rose from the grave, conquering death. He now freely offers eternal life to all who will put their faith and trust in Him (Romans 10:9).

Because of what Christ did for us, death is not the end for those who believe. His death and resurrection removed the sting of death (1 Corinthians 15:56–57). Now “to live is Christ, and to die is gain” (Philippians 1:21). For Christians, death means entering the presence of the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8) and dwelling with Him for eternity in a place free from death, suffering, pain, and tears (Revelation 21:4). We can have hope for eternity because of the sacrifice of our Lord. Do you have this hope? If not, I encourage you to give your life to Christ today, believing in His death and resurrection so you can have “a living hope” (1 Peter 1:3) for all eternity.
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What the Lie-beral Demonocrats want is a separation of God out of their lives. Plain and simple but they can't say it.

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Mar 23, 2024 08:41:01   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
I have no reason to respect comments from any theist. Their comments are typically overly ignorant of facts and truth, and usually imply something stupid or wrong about atheists. My primary reason for being disrespectful to a theist is that they expend so much time and effort attempting to force their beliefs on me and other atheists. In my opinion, theists are almost constantly using their strength in numbers to force politicians to pass laws respecting their religious beliefs, and that is a definite violation of the Constitution of the United States. Typical example is their current attack on women’s rights regarding abortion. The majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal in most cases. Theists have been attacking the rights of American women to have an abortion, and are even now trying to stop the use of the “morning after” pill to stop conception. They succeeded in getting the SCOTUS to cancel Roe V. Wade, which ensured the right to abortion for American women. This was also a political issue, and would not have happened if the court had not been stacked by extremists including Trump. A woman’s right to an abortion is a human right to control her own body, and no law should prevent that right from being used. But theists fought long and hard to cancel that right. And so far as I am concerned, that is a direct violation of the clause in our constitution that says “… congress shall pass no law respecting a religion…..” No theist forcing their beliefs or will on non-theists deserved any respect what so ever.

I will respect theists when they respect my right to fight their efforts to subjugate us to their will and beliefs. When they make stupid comments, I will point them out. Frankly, those people who honestly believe the religious items they are fed by brainwashing from youth are ignorant and typically not given a decent education. Frankly, my opinion is that religious schools should be illegal. That would stop the dissemination of brainwashing to some degree and improve the average education level of all our students. Meanwhile, when a theists spouts more stupid drivel, I will reply with no semblance of respect. Stupidity tinged with avarice and a desire to force their belief on the rest of us does not deserve respect.

Yesterday’s news again showed why religions and the extreme right wing of politics need to be eliminated, politicians by voting them out and religion by walking out and never going back. Headlines as follows: “Half of Michigan GOP vote to retain a ban on cohabitation by unmarried couples”. “Transgender lawmaker silenced by Montana House Speaker”. “Unrepentant Bigot is GOP front runner in North Caroline Governor’s race.” All of this is the result of religious influence over the more extreme GOP politicians. The church uses the GOP to get laws passed supporting their beliefs, giving them control over people and forcing compliance with their beliefs. On the other side, the GOP sucks up to the church as a means of getting more votes to get reelected. This is a very unholy alliance that is in obvious violation of the constitution of the United States. Remember to vote against racists, bigots, anti-gays, and anti-transgender people. All of which is a religion based discrimination against anyone not complying with their beliefs. Such discrimination should be illegal. Actually, I thought it was. But few religious persons respect the rights of non-religious persons.

This world will be a far better place when the last religion has died of its own absurdity and people actually have freedom from the oppression of religions. Religions are just a scam, and exist solely for the purpose of controlling others and taking thier money.
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Sounds a lot like "Cancel Culture" to me. If you can't tolerate another opinion or handle their open beliefs, you simply denigrate them at every opportunity. Not quite the "free exercise" set forth in the Constitution.

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Mar 23, 2024 09:15:34   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Tell that to the relatives of the dead women. It released the religions to force their beliefs on state governments, causing pregnant women to die in increased numbers.


Death during childbirth is extremely rare. My son, who is and obstetrician, gets really upset with this argument. He's been observing this for over 20 years as a doc.

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Mar 23, 2024 09:16:45   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Various religions are already pushing laws to get rid of birth control. The obvious reason is to create more children to brainwash and create more slaves to control in the future.


You'll stop at no lie, will you.

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Mar 23, 2024 09:17:49   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
I do not care what you call the unborn fetuses. The fact remains that the loss of the protection of Roe V. Wade is causing more pregnant women to die. Multiple studies have confirmed this fact. Religions causing more women to die because they want more children to brainwash. That is their motivation.


That is complete BS.

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