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Aug 10, 2014 00:38:51   #
Sicilianthing
 
karpenter wrote:
No, They Don't.
They Have No Legitimate Grief Against Anyone. At Anytime In It's History.
What You See In ISIS And Boko Haram Is Islam By The Koran, The Hadith And The Sunna (Sira)
As By The Word And Example Of Mohammad (Pigs Be Upon Him)
The 'Golden Age Of Islam' Is A Lie.
The Crusades As An Act Of Aggression In The Holy Land Is A Lie.
Let Alone As A War On Islam. It Wasn't, But It Should Have Been.

The Global War Of Islamic Aggression In The West Wasn't Turned Back Until The Moors By Spanish Isabella 1492, And At Vienna 9/11/1683.
Northern Africa Still Remains Enslaved To Mohammad (Pigs Be Upon Him), If You Haven't Ignored Headlines.
So They Turned Their Bloodlust Back To The East.
Pakistan Was Stripped From India As Recent As 1947. Bangladesh in 1973.
And There Has Been No Jump In The Time-Line.

This Thread At This Forum Is No Way Enough To Teach You All You Don't Know About Islam, It's Founder (Pigs Be Upon Him), And It's Unbroken 1,400 Year Rampage Against Civil Civilization.

You Are Going To Have To Crack Open The Books And Resources For Yourself.

Islam Stands In A Class Of It's Own At All It's Levels Of Lies, Deceit And Depravity.
....And IDOLATRY.
Look Into The Meteorite They Pray Towards Five Times A Day In The Kaaba At Mecca. That Piece Of Space Rock Has Been There In Continual Worship Since Before Mohammed (Pigs Be Upon Him) Was Even Born.

There Are NO Equivalents To Islam, Or Room For Equivalence Concerning Islam.

Islam Is EVIL Incarnate Masquerading As A Religion.
No, They Don't. br They Have No Legitimate Grief ... (show quote)


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Thank You Karpenter...
Very well put.... it's been a while since I passed by all this...
True and Correct...I've actually almost forgotten I've been so busy trying to wake all the ignorant lazy ones up...

Thank You for your contribution.
I am very grateful for this post.
Very grateful.

We have so much still to teach.

They have so much yet to read.

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Aug 10, 2014 01:01:43   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
And I Didn't Cuss Once

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Aug 10, 2014 01:36:34   #
MT Patriot Loc: originally Florida
 
rumatoid, I would to present a sinerio to you. You are in a sealed room it has a sky light for light but no windows and it is quite small. You find that there are 10 rattle snakes in the room with you. There is a message on the wall that says, 3 of these rattle snakes have been defanged.

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Aug 10, 2014 06:39:03   #
barry vann
 
sounds like rumitoid has authoritis of the brain !

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Aug 10, 2014 08:24:09   #
grumbledog
 
where do you come up with this trash. there is more citizen on citizen crime then non-citizens. Muslin crimes against our citizens ever even less. I know you want to point to 9/11 and say that it represents all Muslins.

Do you feel the same about Japanese who attacked us at Pearl Harbor. should permanately

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Aug 10, 2014 08:36:43   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
grumbledog wrote:
I know you want to point to 9/11 and say that it represents all Muslins.
According To All Islamic Texts, Clerics, Practices, And Global Events Headlines
They Are As They Become Able. Or Emboldened.
History Of Islamic Doctrinal Aggression Didn't Start In 2001, It Started About 620.
History Didn't Start When You Want It To, Even Though You Have Convinced Yourself It Can.
Are You Really Ignorant Of History ??
Or Are You Just Hoping Everyone Else IS ??

Btw....'Japanese' Isn't A Cult.
You Do Know That Right ??

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Aug 10, 2014 09:39:56   #
Steve700
 
rumitoid wrote:
1) Recognize that the nation of Islam has very real and legitimate grievances against our nation.
There is no nation called the Nation of Islam. The Nation of Islam to is a sect of black Muslims (Malcolm X & Louis Farrakhan) They are the ones on the street corners dressed in suits passing out their literature. They are may be the most hateful of Whitey and Western culture and believe in the last days there will be a race war where the blacks completely exterminate every last white person. They say the white man is the devil. All your feel-good love them, Kum bia stuff is very naïve and that kind of Christianity is a perversion. People like you seem to think that Jesus would not recognize evil, call it what it is and stand up against it. That along with becoming righteous honorable people will abide by all God's 10 Commandments is what is needed. Your liberal bull shit of thinking that they can be won over is seen correctly by them as weakness and confirms what the Koran tells them that your attitude is a product of godless degeneracy. Unfortunately they are more correct than not about that. The fact of the matter is called branches of Islam are supremacist who intend to take over the world and eliminate and obliterate every other culture, political system and religion until there is only Islam and Allah alone is worshiped. That as a matter of fact is why Islam is called a religion of peace; because that is how world peace is to be obtained in Islamic theology. Wake up to reality. The trouble with you liberals is that you think people are basically good. They are not -- they need to be cultured into civilized behavior. The real Christianity realizes that we all are by nature rebellious degenerate retrobates. That is why we need to truly recognize that asked for forgiveness and repent and take Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

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Aug 10, 2014 09:43:58   #
Steve700
 
Also keep in mind Obama was brought up in Indonesia as a Muslim and understand where his loyalty lies.

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Aug 10, 2014 09:47:28   #
JetJock Loc: Texas
 
Think it is too late, when the 100 malls in America are attacked at one time, like in Kenya, when a dirty bomb, be radioactive or ebola, maybe then some body will wake up.

Got a friend married to a retired FBI agent and she says there are so many terrorists already here, just waiting and hiding in plain sight, just a matter of time.

This should scare the crap out of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KVJFYkuZW4k

Sicilianthing wrote:
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I highly doubt that's going to work when they want us dead and not in peace!

Do you hear that ?
Do you get that ?
Got that ?

Now work and focus on Closing our Borders and Airports !
MexiBola and psycho religious people called Muslims believe in taking everything you've got and your life too !

How's that sound ?
Any questions ?

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Aug 10, 2014 10:16:10   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Hey, We All Know That
'WE Are Out Of Touch'
'WE Just Don't Seem To Realise'
'WE Are Just A Bunch Of Supremacists'
Because Islam Really, Really Is The Religion Of Peace
Just Look At Islam In Europe

And We Would Totally Have Voted Obama/Biden If He Had Only Been Lilly White.

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Aug 10, 2014 10:28:16   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
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'We Need To Dialogue,
And Be More Understanding'
Of Why They're Mad At Us

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Aug 10, 2014 10:49:46   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
rumitoid wrote:
I mean the word "just" as a double entendre: "only and right (by our Bill of Rights)."

A little history: "On Oct. 27, 1838, Missouri Governor Lilburn W. Boggs issued an official order declaring, "The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace." On mayoral Election Day Aug. 6, 1855, the Know Nothing Party -- an anti-Catholic political organization -- sparked riots in Louisville, Kentucky against Catholic immigrants, leaving 22 dead. On Dec. 17, 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant issued Order 11, which read, "The Jews, as a class... are hereby expelled from Tennessee within twenty-four hours..." Expelled Jews, murdered Mormons and massacred Catholics -- and lest we think otherwise, the really gruesome stories involve African and Native Americans." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/americas-muslim-problem_b_1168709.html

"That is, unless the minority is American Muslims. In that case, the age-old rule applies. It is not bigotry nor discrimination that is being exercised, but American security that is being protected." As in the Patriot Act nearly every American has come to hate but felt necessary in their profound fear and need for safety.

The Declaration of Independence did not give liberty to slaves, native Americans, women, or non-property owning white folks. We steadily grew into a larger idea of equality, with much and costly resistance I might add. But we did--and to me that alone makes America great and unequaled in history. Liberty is a tough and expensive ideal to maintain, and very, very messy. But this was not fear-based when we became a nation but the thinking of the time about class. How we may come to treat the Muslims, in light of our disgrace as to how we treated Japanese Americans in WWII, Native Americans, and the oppression of the McCarthy era, will tell us if a republic such as ours deserves to survive.

Fear has a few disguises, one of those is "practical security." Another is patriotism. There are dozens more that, like the above, hide fear from ourselves and present it as something else more reasonable and respectable. Enough said and onto the solutions.

1) Recognize that the nation of Islam has very real and legitimate grievances against our nation.

2) Look to address those grievances as openly as possible, apologies, just recompense, and fair treaties included.

3) Clearly and freely remember how many countless times in our history that we "righteously" violated the 1st Amendment for "safety" or other rationalized concerns.

4) Become a dedicated peacemaker.

5) Put Constitutional and/or Religious principles before personal gain or desire, looking only for what is the best for the common good (true patriotism).

6) Love not only thy neighbor but thy enemy as yourself.

7) Turn the other cheek, go the extra mile to resolve this growing conflict, taking no thought for yourself.

8) Last but first, "Fear not!" Fear corrupts everything and looks suave doing it: the man to rely on and trust.
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pretty damn good roid, but the very crucial and most important issue that for some strange reason you did not mention iz the fact that all those groups of people you mentioned previously, did not in any way, shape or form, promote a religion (cult) that dictates 'take it or die.' tell me roid, can you tell a peace loving muslim from ali-baba-whack-job? of course you can't so get off of your fantasy horse and get real. clams have more sense than you.

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Aug 10, 2014 10:56:25   #
Steve700
 
rumitoid wrote:

1) Recognize that the nation of Islam has very real and legitimate grievances against our nation.
What are you talking about legitimate grievance??? American lives have been given many times in protection of Muslims. Also our first war the United States had to fight was against the Muslim Barbary pirates who were attacking our trade routes. What the Muslims have is a huge debt of gratitude for us getting them off those camels and out of those tents and into cars and solid houses. Also for elevating their economic status to that of civilized humanity by discovering oil in their land getting it out of the ground for them and then paying for it. Why do you buy into the bull shit propaganda of the Marxists and Muslim ingrates ???

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Aug 10, 2014 12:13:14   #
New Texican
 
Do we learn nothing from hisrory? Chamberlain took very much the same posture in his approach to Nazi expansionism. The motivation for the Nazis back then mirrors that of radical Islam in our times. It is not religion, nor is it race. It is global domination for the benefit of a small group of individuals.

The radicals don't want treaties, pacts or payoffs. They want you dead. Period. YOU. That is the means they have chosen to achieve their goal.
Peaceful coexistence is not an option.

The notion that diplomacy will solve the problem is naive at best. We must understand that there are people who are not reasonable, not compassionate and not willing to share this Earth with those who don't adhere to their philosophy and support their cause. Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, the Khmer Rouge were such people and radical Islam is no different. Murder as a tool to gain influence and power has been around since man first picked up a rock.

The murderers must be stopped. There is only one means of accomplishing this that has ever been effective. Eliminate the murderers. If we don't, the consequences will be dire. Believe it.

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Aug 10, 2014 12:31:55   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
rumitoid wrote:
I mean the word "just" as a double entendre: "only and right (by our Bill of Rights)."

A little history: "On Oct. 27, 1838, Missouri Governor Lilburn W. Boggs issued an official order declaring, "The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace." On mayoral Election Day Aug. 6, 1855, the Know Nothing Party -- an anti-Catholic political organization -- sparked riots in Louisville, Kentucky against Catholic immigrants, leaving 22 dead. On Dec. 17, 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant issued Order 11, which read, "The Jews, as a class... are hereby expelled from Tennessee within twenty-four hours..." Expelled Jews, murdered Mormons and massacred Catholics -- and lest we think otherwise, the really gruesome stories involve African and Native Americans." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/americas-muslim-problem_b_1168709.html

"That is, unless the minority is American Muslims. In that case, the age-old rule applies. It is not bigotry nor discrimination that is being exercised, but American security that is being protected." As in the Patriot Act nearly every American has come to hate but felt necessary in their profound fear and need for safety.

The Declaration of Independence did not give liberty to slaves, native Americans, women, or non-property owning white folks. We steadily grew into a larger idea of equality, with much and costly resistance I might add. But we did--and to me that alone makes America great and unequaled in history. Liberty is a tough and expensive ideal to maintain, and very, very messy. But this was not fear-based when we became a nation but the thinking of the time about class. How we may come to treat the Muslims, in light of our disgrace as to how we treated Japanese Americans in WWII, Native Americans, and the oppression of the McCarthy era, will tell us if a republic such as ours deserves to survive.

Fear has a few disguises, one of those is "practical security." Another is patriotism. There are dozens more that, like the above, hide fear from ourselves and present it as something else more reasonable and respectable. Enough said and onto the solutions.

1) Recognize that the nation of Islam has very real and legitimate grievances against our nation.

2) Look to address those grievances as openly as possible, apologies, just recompense, and fair treaties included.

3) Clearly and freely remember how many countless times in our history that we "righteously" violated the 1st Amendment for "safety" or other rationalized concerns.

4) Become a dedicated peacemaker.

5) Put Constitutional and/or Religious principles before personal gain or desire, looking only for what is the best for the common good (true patriotism).

6) Love not only thy neighbor but thy enemy as yourself.

7) Turn the other cheek, go the extra mile to resolve this growing conflict, taking no thought for yourself.

8) Last but first, "Fear not!" Fear corrupts everything and looks suave doing it: the man to rely on and trust.
I mean the word "just" as a double enten... (show quote)


Once again Rumitoid, with a calm intelligent post that is genuinely engaging as a political topic, has kept me interested in One Political Plaza just as I was about to abandon it. Many thanks!

I always come hoping for intelligent discussion with thoughtful replies. Instead I usually find threads of vitriol that lead everywhere but to a better understanding of the topic at hand.
Let's raise the bar a little and leave the invectives outside!

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