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Nov 21, 2023 15:51:02   #
whole2th
 
James Angleton has been a name associated with the JFK assassination "conspiracy theory" for many years.

Kennedy Assassination: "CIA-Did-It" Theorists Are Covering For Israel
It is inconceivable that Angleton directed the whole operation. But if he was not following orders from Richard Helms - and there is not a single piece of evidence that Helms knew of the assassination -, under whose direction or influence was he operating? That is an easy one: besides Counterintelligence, Angleton headed the "Israeli Desk", and he had more intimate contacts with the hierarchy of the Mossad than with his own. He loved Israelis as much as he hated Communists - apparently believing that one man could not be both. Meir Amit, head of Mossad from 1963 to 1968, called him "the biggest Zionist" in Washington, while Robert Amory, head of the CIA Directorate of Intelligence, called him a "co-opted Israeli agent."[8] While Angleton was disgraced in the U.S. after his forced resignation, he was honored in Israel. After his death in 1987, according to the Washington Post, five former heads of Mossad and Shin Bet and three former Israeli military intelligence chiefs were present "to pay final tribute to a beloved member of their covert fraternity." Among the services he rendered Israel, "Angleton reportedly aided Israel in obtaining technical nuclear data."[9]
by Laurent Guyénot
https://www.unz.com/article/kennedy-assassination-cia-did-it-theorists-are-covering-for-israel

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Nov 21, 2023 15:53:05   #
whole2th
 
Justice101 wrote:
The Gazans aren't doing anything with those 'mineral rights' to help the Palestinians poor quality of life issues. They didn't create bomb shelters for their own people with the aid coming in from Qatar, the US and other countries.

Their political leaders Hamas have instead built 300 miles of tunnels under Gaza. The Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels are smuggling tunnels that had been dug under the Philadelphi Route along the Egypt–Gaza border. They were dug to subvert the blockade of the Gaza Strip to smuggle in fuel, food, weapons and other goods into the Gaza Strip.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/08/news/what-we-know-about-hamas-300-mile-tunnel-system-below-gaza/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-tunnels-piercing-a-battleground-beneath-gaza/
The Gazans aren't doing anything with those 'miner... (show quote)


Imagine that! Tunnels! Can you think of any other examples of concentration camp tunnels providing supplies--and possibly escape?

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Nov 21, 2023 15:53:56   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
whole2th wrote:
James Angleton has been a name associated with the JFK assassination "conspiracy theory" for many years.

Kennedy Assassination: "CIA-Did-It" Theorists Are Covering For Israel
It is inconceivable that Angleton directed the whole operation. But if he was not following orders from Richard Helms - and there is not a single piece of evidence that Helms knew of the assassination -, under whose direction or influence was he operating? That is an easy one: besides Counterintelligence, Angleton headed the "Israeli Desk", and he had more intimate contacts with the hierarchy of the Mossad than with his own. He loved Israelis as much as he hated Communists - apparently believing that one man could not be both. Meir Amit, head of Mossad from 1963 to 1968, called him "the biggest Zionist" in Washington, while Robert Amory, head of the CIA Directorate of Intelligence, called him a "co-opted Israeli agent."[8] While Angleton was disgraced in the U.S. after his forced resignation, he was honored in Israel. After his death in 1987, according to the Washington Post, five former heads of Mossad and Shin Bet and three former Israeli military intelligence chiefs were present "to pay final tribute to a beloved member of their covert fraternity." Among the services he rendered Israel, "Angleton reportedly aided Israel in obtaining technical nuclear data."[9]
by Laurent Guyénot
https://www.unz.com/article/kennedy-assassination-cia-did-it-theorists-are-covering-for-israel
James Angleton has been a name associated with the... (show quote)


You sound like good little Hitler lover who also blamed Jews for everything bad!!..Just like typical brown shirter!!

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Nov 21, 2023 15:55:58   #
whole2th
 
proud republican wrote:
You sound like good little Hitler lover who also b L amed


A tiny mind like yours would like to make this comparison--as you lack any capability to actually rebut the information I'm posting.

How about some emoticons--more your speed?

Just to strain your brain cells: notice how the concentration camp and genocide resemble what HITLER (TM) did to Jews--and ponder the contradictions you live with. Your bigotry keeps you from being a principled human being.



proud republican wrote:
You are full of 💩 There's no genocide by Israelis, but by Hamas and Iran


Ten or more references--even from some Jews--call what is happening a genocide.

You are full of hate and fear.



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Nov 21, 2023 16:00:48   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
whole2th wrote:
A tiny mind like yours would like to make this comparison--as you lack any capability to actually rebut the information I'm posting.

How about some emoticons--more your speed?

Just to strain your brain cells: notice how the concentration camp and genocide resemble what HITLER (TM) did to Jews--and ponder the contradictions you live with.

A tiny mind like yours would like to make this com... (show quote)


You are full of 💩 There's no genocide by Israelis, but by Hamas and Iran

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Nov 21, 2023 16:22:06   #
Justice101
 
whole2th wrote:
Imagine that! Tunnels! Can you think of any other examples of concentration camp tunnels providing supplies--and possibly escape?


76 male prisoners got away via tunnels they secretly built under a Nazi concentration camp.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/nazi-prison-escape-tunnel.html

Why aren't the Palestinians using the tunnels under the Gaza strip to "escape their open-air Gaza prison" into Egypt and beyond? It must be that Hamas are the ones holding them prisoner.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-13-23/h_ad9fb74f40837ae2aca06c68bc57cd92
Hamas tells Gaza residents not to leave their homes after IDF warns civilians to evacuate
From CNN's Abeer Salman and Lucas Lilieholm

Hamas on Friday told Palestinians living in Gaza not to leave their homes, according to a statement sent to media organizations.

The armed group, which governs the territory, accused Israel of engaging in “psychological warfare” by sending messages that told Palestinian civilians and employees of international organizations to evacuate to the south.

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Nov 21, 2023 17:11:03   #
whole2th
 
proud republican wrote:
You are full of 💩 There's no genocide by Israelis, but by Hamas and Iran


"Israel’s packaging of Hamas as barbaric butchers is losing momentum. An honest look at eyewitness reports, photos, and videos makes it clear that Israeli soldiers did some of the killing that day – and Netanyahu has been trying to keep that fact under wraps. Similarly, claims peddled by Israel and repeated by US media of Hamas committing horrific atrocities have turned out to be nonfactual war propaganda…"

Israel has now killed more Palestinians in a little over a month than in all the previous 22 years combined.

PR--our resident genius--calls this a 'genocide' of Israelis.



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Nov 21, 2023 17:33:52   #
Justice101
 
whole2th wrote:
"Israel’s packaging of Hamas as barbaric butchers is losing momentum. An honest look at eyewitness reports, photos, and videos makes it clear that Israeli soldiers did some of the killing that day – and Netanyahu has been trying to keep that fact under wraps. Similarly, claims peddled by Israel and repeated by US media of Hamas committing horrific atrocities have turned out to be nonfactual war propaganda…"

Israel has now killed more Palestinians in a little over a month than in all the previous 22 years combined.

PR--our resident genius--calls this a 'genocide' of Israelis.
"Israel’s packaging of Hamas as barbaric butc... (show quote)


https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/11/21/washington-post-continues-to-get-it-wrong-in-the-israel-hamas-conflict-quiet-revisions-ensue-n2166648

The paper was among the many who incorrectly reported on the infamous bombing of a hospital that was not, in fact, bombed. It struggled with the story of the Greek Orthodox church collapse, which is still standing. Then there is the Washington Post struggle over the IDF claims that Hamas is headquartered beneath the al-Shifa hospital. It is rather evident that the outlet is intent on casting Israel as the inappropriate aggressor at the location. Despite alluding to evidence such as a shaft opening at the location, as well as the body of an Israeli hostage found on site, the report refused to allow that Hamas was staged at the hospital.

Israel has yet to produce findings that corroborate its claims that al-Shifa sits atop a Hamas headquarters and was central to the militant group’s operations in northern Gaza.

It reports this despite the photographic evidence of weapons found in a bunker. Also, the US State Department, as well as the Pentagon, have affirmed that Hamas uses the hospital as a headquarters. This also is in conflict with years of media reports that have declared definitively that Hamas is staged there. One such media report was by…(get ready now)...The Washington Post.

The minister was turned away before he reached the hospital, which has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.

To have a basic fact such as this confirmed by numerous sources for years and yet debated today is already a serious problem. To have a news outlet defying its own previous reports on the very issue is rather astounding to see. But this is the nature of the press currently. There is this need to deny certain realities because of their desire to have Israel cast as the villain — even if this means denying realities that have been reported by the very same outlets.

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Nov 21, 2023 18:28:07   #
BIRDMAN
 
whole2th wrote:
"Israel’s packaging of Hamas as barbaric butchers is losing momentum. An honest look at eyewitness reports, photos, and videos makes it clear that Israeli soldiers did some of the killing that day – and Netanyahu has been trying to keep that fact under wraps. Similarly, claims peddled by Israel and repeated by US media of Hamas committing horrific atrocities have turned out to be nonfactual war propaganda…"

Israel has now killed more Palestinians in a little over a month than in all the previous 22 years combined.

PR--our resident genius--calls this a 'genocide' of Israelis.
"Israel’s packaging of Hamas as barbaric butc... (show quote)


They need to kill more

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Nov 21, 2023 20:07:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
proud republican wrote:
You are full of 💩 There's no genocide by Israelis, but by Hamas and Iran
Justice101 wrote:
Why aren't the Palestinians using the tunnels under the Gaza strip to "escape their open-air Gaza prison" into Egypt and beyond? It must be that Hamas are the ones holding them prisoner.
Are you guys not aware you are wasting your time?
Nothing we can say is gonna make one whit of difference to that Jew hating fool,
he's a snake oil salesman from hell, and he's gonna hawk his wares til hell freezes,
and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

One thing is absolutely certain, Hitler2th ain't buying anything from us.

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Nov 22, 2023 09:46:13   #
whole2th
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Are you guys not aware you are wasting your time?
Nothing we can say is gonna make one whit of difference to that Jew hating fool,
he's a snake oil salesman from hell, and he's gonna hawk his wares til hell freezes,
and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

One thing is absolutely certain, Hitler2th ain't buying anything from us.


Because Zionists lie and deceive ... mislead and project their own failings.

A friend writes: Although smugly jubilant in their self-righteousness and control of the media and other weak national governments, many Israelis, especially the government, do not understand the reality of their spiritual situation, and hence, the outcome of their actions. There are three spiritual problems.
Firstly, they neither know nor respect their God, the Creator of the universe and sustainer of life, and whose children they claim to be.
Secondly, they never read what their God says about them in their own scriptures, which thirdly, means that they cannot see the judgment that is coming.
Some 2700 years ago, the prophet Isaiah wrote a stinging rebuke of their behaviour, which resonates strongly today. (See Isaiah, chapter 59). The whole chapter is too long to copy, but the following three verses give an idea of God’s criticisms.
“But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear.
For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity: your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness.
None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief and bring forth iniquity”. (Isa. 59:2-4)
Their own God is a God of justice and not fooled by their psychopathic behaviour. They would be well advised to read their own history and scriptures, as it will tell those who take notice of what is coming.

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Nov 22, 2023 10:38:10   #
Radiance3
 
whole2th wrote:
Because Zionists lie and deceive ... mislead and project their own failings.

A friend writes: Although smugly jubilant in their self-righteousness and control of the media and other weak national governments, many Israelis, especially the government, do not understand the reality of their spiritual situation, and hence, the outcome of their actions. There are three spiritual problems.
Firstly, they neither know nor respect their God, the Creator of the universe and sustainer of life, and whose children they claim to be.
Secondly, they never read what their God says about them in their own scriptures, which thirdly, means that they cannot see the judgment that is coming.
Some 2700 years ago, the prophet Isaiah wrote a stinging rebuke of their behaviour, which resonates strongly today. (See Isaiah, chapter 59). The whole chapter is too long to copy, but the following three verses give an idea of God’s criticisms.
“But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear.
For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity: your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness.
None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief and bring forth iniquity”. (Isa. 59:2-4)
Their own God is a God of justice and not fooled by their psychopathic behaviour. They would be well advised to read their own history and scriptures, as it will tell those who take notice of what is coming.
color=red b Because Zionists lie and deceive ...... (show quote)

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Muslims under Islam are required to lie and kill the non-believers by their god.

According to sharia, in certain situations, deception – also known as 'taqiyya', based on Quranic terminology, – is not only permitted but sometimes obligatory to lie. For instance, contrary to early Christian history. Muslims who must choose between either recanting Islam or being put to death are not only permitted to lie by pretending to have apostatized, but many jurists have decreed that, according to Quran 4:29, Muslims are obligated to lie in such instances.

Surah 8:13-17.
"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies." " I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.

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Nov 22, 2023 10:50:59   #
whole2th
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Muslims under Islam are required to lie and kill by their god.

Surah 8:13-17.
"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies." " I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.


Radiance3 surely knows that Talmudic doctrine says much the same about how Jews may deceive, seal from and murder the goyim--with impunity.

Jews say a 'kol nidre' prayer annually which absolves them from keeping their word/contracts in the coming year. It's like making a deal with your fingers crossed behind your backs.

Imagine that. Israel going breaking their agreements.

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Nov 22, 2023 11:02:01   #
Radiance3
 
whole2th wrote:
Jews say a 'kol nidre' prayer annually which absolves them from keeping their word/contracts in the coming year. It's like making a deal with your fingers crossed behind your backs.

Imagine that. Israel going back on their agreements.

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Your Muslim friends are warmongers. Violence is their way of life. Their god ordered them to chop off heads, fingers of non-believers. Burn them alive from infants to grandmas and grandmas. Until they are all gone.

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Nov 22, 2023 11:04:51   #
whole2th
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Your Muslim friends are warmongers. Violence is their way of life. Their god ordered them to chop off heads, fingers of non-believers. Burn them alive from infants to grandmas and grandmas. Until they are all gone.


I have both Jewish and Muslim friends. Of my friends, violence seems furthest from their ways of being.

By their deeds, the Zionists' actions toward Palestinians more closely resemble what you accuse Muslims of being and doing.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/n72yiutzjgqqng0wc5ckz/Facebook-video-362312679663940.mp4?rlkey=t9lhlz3ry9xisqg8vn1w5fgdg&dl=0

This is PROJECTION of the failings/sins of you and your ilk. It is a pathology of the spirit.

Radiance3 wrote:
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Wholetooth is a lying German converted to Islam!
Absurd.

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