Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You really know how to talk some weird shit.

Do know anything at all about fire science?

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

https://thegoodcitizen.live/p/burning-the-last-man
This article got me thinking.
I didn’t post it originally because I didn’t want to taint the waters of responses.
Do you have a problem with other people’s opinions all the time or just some of the time?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I gave you my opinion, obviously you missed that, so let me elaborate.

I am a career firefighter, I do know a few things about fires, I've fought some hellacious fires and, up close and personal, I watched a lot of different things burn - liquid, solid, and gas, natural, chemical, and electric.
I've seen what fire can do to everything it gets its hot hands on, including human beings.

I know how uncontrolled fires behave, inside buildings and in the wilderness.

I've seen what fire does when its relatively just warm and tame and when it gets really hot and aggressive.
Fire can sneak up and cook your ass if you don't keep your cool.

And, wild fires, holy shit. When those babies rare up in a high wind, they are a force of nature.
They create their own weather which raises the danger exponentially.
They'll kill you quick if you ain't careful. And you gotta be quick.
Man, if those dragons are coming, you gotta haul ass.

Back in the day, me and three others guys got trapped fighting a wild fire,
the damned thing surrounded us. We didn't see it cuz of the smoke.
Next thing we know, we got fire coming at us from all directions.
We hauled ass to a large outcrop of rocks, broke out our blankets and canteens
and bandanas and we hunkered down in a depression in the rocks.
We threw a wet blanket over us and spent the night under there, it was hot and hard to breath,
we spelled each other on watch so we could get some sleep.
We breakfasted on soggy tuna sandwiches, a can of peaches, and what water was left in our canteens.

We got lucky. When morning came and we crawled from cover into a world of smoking ash,
we realized how different it would have been if the outcrop of rocks had been covered under a canopy of trees.
We'd have been crispy critters.

I have no reason to be suspicious about the Maui fires, OK.
The primary things that inform my opinion, are my fire fighting experience and
a hell of lot of research on what makes conspiracy theorists tick
and how they feed their theories to keep them alive.

Mikeyavelli

The Hawaiian lefties didn't want to waste water, or make noise with sirens, or save something that they can build back better.

okie don

I heard some of the boats caught fire moored out in the harbor.
Strange🤔

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

I have not yet come to a conclusion about this. There’s not enough information yet about it. There does seem to be a less than stellar explanation.

Mikeyavelli

Not enough minority kommiecrats in charge, that's the answer to any problem.

Knightlady

SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics

That is actually a very tough call to make without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Don't forget if you cut the power in the hope of preventing fires your also significantly cutting the supply of water needed to fight any fires that are already burning or might start up.

SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics

If you used water from the ocean to put out a fire, any vegetation that survived the fire would be killed by the salt, which would also prevent vegetation from growing back for several years. Also high salt concentration can be very hard on pumping equipment, metal objects, concrete, electrical circuits and many other things, like wildlife. On a small scale, say a city block or a few acres of grassland, it might be an effective strategy, but on a wide spread firestorm, no way.

Mikeyavelli

Yeah, best to lose 125 people and billions in property than to kill vegetation for a year.

okie don

Kinda like using cluster bombs.
Kill um all👍

pegw

According to my neighbor who worked for the EPA, Maui has a lot of invasive species grass. Apparently in the drought/dry season, this got dessicated and ignited. With the high winds, I could see a back yard barbecue starting the fire that burned down Lahaina.

Mikeyavelli

And don't waste water or use a siren to warn people. Too noisy.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Tell it to the dead people.