Kevyn

This is no longer true in a dozen states.

kemmer

So, were the Neanderthals a mistake or an experiment?

kemmer

Where in the Bible does it say women are forbidden to head congregations? The Southern Baptists say women belong at home with the babies and making sure dinner is ready when hubby gets home.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

God's plan... no queers...

JoyV

Better check your math. One trimester of a human pregnancy is 12 weeks.

You quoted me accurately. I was mistaken about the AZ exception for rape. But I believe no rape victim has been denied an abortion in AZ. Though not due to the letter of the law. I was not mistaken that the current AZ laws are more lenient than Roe v Wade.

But while one of my replies addressed the issue of rape victims, my main point overall was to address the false narrative that the loss of Roe v Wade meant women would no longer have the "rights" imparted by Roe. I responded to the claim that abortions are banned in most red states by referencing my own state, AZ and how it's abortion laws are more lenient than Roe v Wade.

I note that your info on abortion laws in different states are not links to the actual laws. The lists published by some left wing organizations or news media are rarely accurate. Even when the lists include the actual wording of the laws, often they are explained with a spin. Depending on the issue, the same can be said for many right wing sources. So instead of getting a third party take on the abortion laws of various states, why not look up the actual laws.

How was Roe v Wade decision more restrictive in AZ? I thought I already stated so. But I'll repeat the main points.

1. Under Roe a woman did not have the right to choose to get an abortion. Her doctor had the authority to choose for her.

2. The doctor did not have to show cause to be allowed to provide or prescribe an abortion. [This one is only more restrictive than the current AZ law because it is the doctor who doesn't need to show cause, i.e. "on demand ", rather than the pregnant woman. ]

3. Abortions were only allowed during the first trimester (first 12 weeks), unless the woman's health or life are at risk in the second trimester or her life in the third.

Where Roe and the current AZ law are equal are abortions could be protected after the first trimester in cases of the woman's health or life. But not in the case of rape.

The practice of abortions on demand during the entire pregnancy at the choice of the woman was not because Roe v Wade required it. Restrictions were gradually reduced after Roe v Wade until just before the overturn by SCOTUS, some places expanded abortions be legal through the perinatal period. (Perinatal period is 1 to 4 weeks after birth.) That abortion restrictions reduced over time does not mean that these reductions were in Roe v Wade.

JoyV

I said most. A dozen out of 50 is not most.

kemmer

Uh-huh. Then why are there untold millions of us, huh?
Sounds to me like part of the plan.

bylm1-Bernie

Women in office is a much different topic than the topic of this thread and the Biblical reasoning behind the answer cannot be compared to that of abortion. Your topic involves a matter of interpretation. Not too many sociologists would hold that society would not be better off today if we had adhered to the Biblical instructions on the family structure, whereas the stopping of life is pretty clear-cut to anyone with a functioning brain who is looking for the truth rather than a reason to justify his belief.

kemmer

Social structures were better in the 19th century, right? When everyone knew their place and stayed there.

bylm1-Bernie

The family structure certainly was. The disappearance of the father from the family, for one, was definitely a prime factor in the proliferation of crime we are experiencing today. There are other factors as well.

Big Kahuna

Why change the subject?

kemmer

You’re quite a simple soul, aren’t you.

bylm1-Bernie

Does that mean that you disagree with my conclusion as to one result of family structure breakup?

DASHY

And you read into the text what you want to. That is what we all do. We are told that about 40% of man/woman marriages today end in divorce. What is the biblical penalty for ending a marriage?

DASHY

Over 90% of abortions occur during the first trimester. Many women safely manage their own abortions with pills. So far, most abortion laws don't directly punish women for seeking or self-inducing abortions. A woman's privacy is protected in these cases. No peek...no murder.