LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

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Justice101

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2021/02/10/trump-campaign-paid-35-million-to-stop-the-steal-organizers-report-finds/?sh=4f0d6adb37ae
People involved in organizing the January 6 “Stop the Steal” protests that led to a deadly riot at the Capitol building received more than $3.5 million from the Trump campaign and its associated fundraising committees, a Wednesday report from the Center for Responsive Politics found.
KEY FACTS
The new revelation stemmed from a review of recent Federal Election Commission filings by OpenSecrets (an arm of the Center for Responsive Politics).

OpenSecrets also found that at least three people listed on permit records for the Stop the Steal rally were employed by the Trump campaign through the end of November 2020.

The filing also showed payment from the Trump campaign to a company called Event Strategies, Inc., which was named on a permit for the rally and employed two people involved in the events on January 6, OpenSecrets said.


Funding behind 'Stop the Steal' movement shrouded in mystery
Multiple legal entities dubbed "Stop the Steal" popped up around Election Day.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/funding-stop-steal-movement-shrouded-mystery-due-lack/story?id=76052632

EmilyD

Because there was no National Guard present. Trump requested it on January 3...several people were in the room when he did. His request went to the Pentagon (Dept. of Defense) to the Capitol Police to the Capitol Police Board to the Sergeants at Arms of both the House and the Senate whose ultimate boss - i.e., the one they reported to - the one where the buck stops - was Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi was the one who signed off (by being the one in charge) on refusing the National Guard that day, at the time of Trump's speech. And the reason why the National Guard was refused was because the former Chief of the Capitol Police (Steven A. Sund) stated in his letter to Pelosi dated February 1, 2021, that the refusal was due to bad "optics" - that it wouldn't look good. The reason why they thought that was not stated in the letter.

There is a theory that this was a staged event. Pelosi's refusal to have the Guard present that day throws a lot of weight behind that theory, in my opinion.

The third question...How did Ashli Babbitt get put in the situation she found herself in? Who knows what made her decide to go there that day. The answer is probably she put herself there by making that decision, I would guess. It was proven that she did not have a firearm in her possession at the Capitol that day.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Thankyou . I appreciate your honesty and effort in supplying links .

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I appreciate you answer but I fact checked it--https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

EmilyD

Your article starts out with the notation that it is an "AP Assessment", which means it is their opinion.

And it starts out with the statement that "As Speaker of the House, Pelosi does not direct the National Guard."

That is true. Pelosi did not direct the National Guard.

What is misleading about that statement is that it completely misses the mark.

On January 3, 2021, President Trump made the request to have the National Guard present (there were several people present in the room as witnesses to his request) to the Pentagon (Dept of Defense). So therefore, no one asked Nancy Pelosi to direct the National Guard to do anything. They requested that APPROVAL BE GIVEN to have the Guard present that day.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

This is a very sneaky way of the AP to try to twist the meaning of what happened hierarchically when President Trump made his request on January 3.

Trump's request was MADE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE at the Pentagon. The Department of Defense passed this request directly on to the Capitol Police, who passed it on to their managers,The Capitol Police Board. The Capitol Police Board is managed by the Seargeant at Arms of the House of Representatives (Nancy Pelosi) and the Seargeant at Arms of the Senate (Chuck Schumer).

IF Pelosi and Schumer never received the requests to approve having the National Guard there on January 6, that doesn't mean that they were exempt from blame that the request was denied. A Supervisor or Manager is responsible for the person or persons under them at ALL times. If the Seargeants made the decision not to have the Guard there unbeknown to Pelosi or Schumer then they were at fault for not reporting their actions to their bosses, but the ultimate responsibility for that fateful decision lies with the top manager of the "team".

Just to be very clear, here is the truth, again: Pelosi and Schumer are in charge of the Seargeants at Arms of the House and Senate, who are in charge of the Capitol Police Board who are in Charge of the Capitol Police. Whoever is in charge of the National Guard was not notified of anything at all, because the request to have them there was denied.

If President Trump's request stopped in the middle of that hierarchy and never reached the top, that is immaterial to the FACT that Trump made a request that was denied.

And it was later discovered when former Chief of the Capitol Police (Steven A. Sund) wrote a detailed letter to Pelosi on February 1, 2021 stating that the request was denied because "they were concerned about the 'optics'", according to Sund's letter.

The issue is that Trump made the request with witnesses present, and the request was denied. NOT who is in charge of the National Guard. The statement that "Pelosi blocked the National Guard from coming to lawmakers’ defense" is a bogus statement because it was not the National Guard that she "blocked" it was the REQUEST to have the Guard there on January 6 that was blocked.

This kind of twisting of the words to make it seem like something different went on is typical when people try to get around how this request of President Trump's was denied.

I know my response is repetitive in places because I have outlined this hierarchy several times both in this topic and in another one. So I feel it needs to be emphasized with repetition of the facts because people seem to want to change these facts to mean something else. But....this is exactly how things happened that day (and how things work in DC with respect to who is in charge of whom when a request like this is made.)

Mikeyavelli

Deliberate misunderstanding is the basis of lefty policy.
Like when Trump said jokingly that you could grab them by the pssy, or that science find a way to inject a disinfectant, the media and the lefties still breathlessly repeat those statements as if Trump intended it. Yet, Biden gets away with biting little girls, saying things that make no sense, and dealing America away for his own profit.

EmilyD

Imagine how different things would have been if President Trump's request had NOT been denied and there were 10,000 of those troops he requested present at the Ellipse and the Capitol building and grounds!!

Mikeyavelli

Oh no! Then the lefties wouldn't have had another lever to persecute Trump. They wanted chaos. And they are setting Trump up for incarceration by finding him guilty of sedition and insurrection just like they set up and incarcerated the Proud Boys. Hey, what's fair for the Proud Boys is fair for Trump...setting off the brewing civil war.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

It would have been best that the 10000 national guardsmen were there with no doubt.-- I fact checked that too-----https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

EmilyD

Trump's claim is correct....as I outlined above. Nancy Pelosi AND Chuck Schumer were responsible for chain of command for safety protocol at the Capitol building. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are saying they did not approve anything because they apparently never saw Trump's request. However, that is NOT Trump's fault that her subordinates did not report something as important as calling 10,000 troops to the Capitol on January 6, the day of the count to ratify the (stolen) election!

By default, Pelosi and Schumer are responsible that people who were both directly under them (the Sergeants at Arms for the House and Senate) neglected to inform them of their action to deny Trump's request!

At the bottom of page three of former Capitol Police Chief Steven A. Sund's letter to Nancy Pelosi on February 1, 2021, there is this paragraph:

"On Monday, January 4, I approached the two Sergeants at Arms to request the assistance of the National Guard, as I had no authority to do so without an Emergency Declaration by the Capitol Police Board (CPB). My regular interactions with the CPB, outside of our monthly meetings regarding law enforcement matters, were conducted with the House and Senate Sergeant at Arms, the two members of the CPB who have law enforcement experience. I first spoke with the House Sergeant at Arms to request the National Guard. Mr. Irving stated that he was concerned about the “optics” and didn’t feel that the intelligence supported it. He referred me to the Senate Sergeant at Arms (who is currently the Chair of the CPB) to get his thoughts on the request. I then spoke to Mr. Stenger and again requested the National Guard. Instead of approving the use of the National Guard, however, Mr. Stenger suggested I ask them how quickly we could get support if needed and to “lean forward” in case we had to request assistance on January 6."

I copied and pasted the entire letter that former Chief of the Capitol Police, Steven A. Sund wrote to Nancy Pelosi on February 1, 2021 and posted it here under the topic "Insurrectionists Did Something In The Capital That Is Beyond Being Despicable And Disgusting":

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-277895-8.html#4507860

If you can't read it, here is the pdf link to the letter:

file:///C:/Users/star2/Downloads/Letter_to_Congressional_leaders_02012021-5.pdf

If you can't open that, here is an article from Fox News that has a link to the letter that you can open when you scroll down to the part that says "READ THE LETTER HERE" and it will take to you to the letter:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-chief-sund-letter-pelosi-record-straight-insurrection-national-guard

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I'll take the time to read your links later as it is time to leave for work . Your statement that there was a failure in communication has stayed with me .

EmilyD

Here is the information that Blade_Runner posted on May 8:

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-277895-12.html#4508167

"Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat’l Guard troops on Jan. 6th

Retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg said last week that former President Donald Trump did in fact request National Guard troops be deployed in Washington D.C. before the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Kellogg said he was present at the time of Trump’s request, and Congress should release his testimony to the public.

Trump has repeatedly claimed he requested National Guard troops be activated in D.C. to provide security as he called on supporters to gather in D.C. to protest the certification of the 2020 election results for Joe Biden. Trump’s claim has been substantiated by members of his administration, but rejected by some members of Congress.

Kellogg, who was serving as Vice President Mike Pence’s National Security Advisor at the time of the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol breach, tweeted last week, “To be clear on 6 Jan/NG. Pg 199 of my book, ‘On 3 Jan the President asked the Def Dept to deploy NG troops’ into DC for J6 contingencies. OK for J6 Cmte to publicly release my full sworn testimony. Release Army Guard and DC Mayor J6 testimonies as well. Would be illuminating.”

Keith Kellogg@generalkellogg
To be clear on 6 Jan/NG. Pg 199 of my book, "On 3 Jan the President asked the Def Dept to deploy NG troops" into DC for J6 contingencies. OK for J6 Cmte to publicly release my full sworn testimony. Release Army Guard and DC Mayor J6 testimonies as well. Would be illuminating.
10:17 AM · Jul 27, 2022
from Washington, DC

Kellogg now serves as the co-chairman of the America First Policy Institute’s (AFPI) Center for American Security.

According to an initial timeline published by the U.S. Capitol Police, a Pentagon employee named Carol Corbin reached out to Capitol Police Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher on Jan. 2, 2021 to determine whether Capitol Police were considering a request for National Guard soldiers in anticipation of planned election protest events on January 6. Gallagher replied on Jan. 3 that the Capitol Police were not planning to make such a request.

According to a Department of Defense Inspector General report from November, Trump asked acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley on Jan. 3 about preparations for election protests on Jan. 6.

“The President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021,” the DoD report states. “And Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, ‘We’ve got a plan and we’ve got it covered.'”

Miller testified to Congress in May of 2021 that Trump also asked him if D.C.’s mayor had requested any National Guard troops and instructed him to “fill” a request.

A recent Washington Times op-ed criticized the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol breach. The op-ed said the select committee does not have legitimate Republican representation. Reps. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) and Liz Cheney (R-WY) are the only two Republicans currently allowed on the committee.

David Bossie, who wrote the Washington Times op-ed noted Jan. 3 conversation between Trump and Miller and said the Jan. 6 select committee is “crafting a narrative that doesn’t quite add up and omits important facts that would not stand if there were proper Republican representation on the committee.”

Bossie was deputy campaign manager of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

Kellogg responded to Bossie’s op-ed in a tweet Friday, saying, “Great OpEd. Reinforces my earlier comment on 6 Jan Cmte. Has quote from DOD IG Report regarding 3 Jan 2021 meeting with Actg Def Secy Miller/CJCS Milley in the Oval on the 6 Jan NG request by POTUS on troops needed. I was in the room.”

EmilyD

Thank you. I appreciate that.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

I agree with everything you said.