justkillingtime

The ascent of Constantine to the throne of Rome is the earliest date at which I would even consider accepting as the origin of the Roman Catholic Church.

justkillingtime

Communists and libertarians hold a common position on the left for at least 5 separate issues:

Traditional social institutions: marriage, family, church etcetera
Libertarian: Absolutely no importance; must not exist because they serve to restrict the personal freedom of the individual by imposing societal norms on them.
Communism: Absolutely no importance; must not exist because they serve as tools of oppression.

Economic markets:
Libertarian: No regulation apart from market forces, i.e., supply and demand even though such markets may collapse since the profit motive in unregulated markets may lead to fraud and exploitation of labor, consumers and natural resources.
Communist: No regulation of any kind since markets do not exist

Economic planning:
Libertarian: Greatest possible centralization due to market forces to maximize profits.
Communist: Greatest possible centralization due to the efforts of the proletariat to maximize equality.

Human nature:
Libertarian: Least understanding of human nature; naïve ignorance of human nature in that libertarians believe humans will fairly complete with each other to maximize their individual self-interests.
Communist: Least understanding of human nature; naïve ignorance of human nature in that communists believe that humans will freely cooperate with each other in order to maximize their collective self-interests.

Nation state:
Libertarian: Unnecessary; does not exist in ideal libertarian society.
Communist: Unnecessary; does not exist in ideal communist society.

Libertarians and communists share a common position on the right for 1 issue:

Government:
Libertarian: Government is merely a source of oppression. Government officially does not exist in a libertarian setting, i.e., a state of nature, but it is actually embodied in the “free market”.
Communist: Government is merely a tool whereby the bourgeoisie oppresses the proletariat. Government officially does not exist in a communist setting, but it is actually embodied in the proletariat, i.e., mob rule.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I don't remember ever opining that it IS salvageable. As a matter of fact, I quit it in total disgust. I believe I can still talk about it though as it took me 50 years to see what it has become.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

And what is to say he won't take sanctimonious elitist assholes like yourself out?

Yes, preach it to us 'wasting-our-time'! Let the one without sin cast the first stone. A self-righteous judgmental sod such as you is so pure right? Have you actually stopped to read what arrogant prattle you've been polluting our screens with? Shame on you.

At least you're not as obnoxious as the useful idiot Tools of the left here, but your priggish pomposity is exceedingly taxing on my and everyone else’s patience and pretentious to the extreme. Better stop while you're ahead.

The right could get so much more done if it wasn't for fire and brimestone ultra-right self-centered social cons like yourself alienating the rest of us.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

:thumbup: :thumbup:

rumitoid

Lol, which is exactly what I said.

Terbreugghen

JKT": I wish I was less drunk than I am I now. .Clearly Jesus is NOT a Roman Catholic. Are you? by your critique, it suggests you are.

As an aside, I thought facism held that private industry should be under control of government edict. But maybe I have that wrong. . . .

rumitoid

JKT said: "Like I just said, I am waiting for God to judge this country and take out people like you." And I was so beginning to like your meticulous study and ideas. "Take out people like you": that is the judgment Jesus warned against. No one knows the heart of man but God. I have bumped into this same sick attitude for most of my six decades on earth. I am so sorry to hear this comment from you, JKT.

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

When God judges this country, no one will survive. He stands with Israel. That is where the final battle will be.

Terbreugghen

Monasticism,. or more generally, asceticism, can be found in EVERY major (and minor) religious view. So now what?

rumitoid

LurkingTom, if no one will survive in this country, what about you? Hopefully, you are somewhere else. But none of us get out of here alive anyway. No one will survive. In my understanding, the indication was that the "final battle" was in the spiritual realm, everyday. Judging countries and others as anti-christ figures into being severely judged by God by those same standards.

justkillingtime

My critique of what? It is the Catholic Church I am complaining about. I am neither Catholic, nor Protestant. Both follow manmade and thus false doctrines.

justkillingtime

There is no hard and fast definition of Fascism. Neither is there a standard set of characteristics for a fascist society. Fascism is more often than not simply a derogatory term for anything the person using it does not like. Some even claim that Fascism is when the government is controlled by big business.

justkillingtime

When? Where? You cannot tell a sinner he is a sinner without judging him.



True, but I am well able to determine when someone's heart does not coincide with what God has lead me to accept as the truth. I cannot accept anybody and everybody simply because they claim to be following God when I have reason to suspect they aren’t following God without making myself a hypocrite.

justkillingtime

Ever heard of British-Israelism? Some of the followers of this doctrine are clearly racist bigots and thus are not legitimate Christians. But I know enough history to be willing to give some credence to the idea that the British Empire and the United States are somehow part of the tribes of Israel based on the Bible’s prophecies about Israel.