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Trump gave Aid and Comfort to the Insurrectionists---a violation of the 14th Amendment
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Sep 11, 2022 08:31:02   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
dcmdm85 wrote:
Thef fnal claues of the 14 ammendment as was well any ammendment past the " bill of rights " says that congress can change or eliminate any positions of any ammendment though the use of pasting a law that would eliminate that part of the ammendment and SCOTUS has up held that law since 1876.


Here it is:
Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Now, please indicate which part says that Congress can "change or eliminate" any part of this, or any other amendment they want to by passing laws. Links to SCOTUS decisions would be nice, too.
Or did I SERIOUSLY misunderstand what you wrote?

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Sep 11, 2022 09:06:08   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Gonna try stopping me from having my opinion?

Good luck with that, seditionist.


D&$- A$# It’s not about your opinion……..You lied and I proved it by simply copying your responses! 😉

I just love it when you Trump haters get caught in your blatant lies, while continually screeching about Trump’s lies! LOL! You can’t make this stuff up!

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Sep 11, 2022 09:15:52   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
permafrost wrote:
it is not about if they were smart enough or prepared enough to take down the government, clearly they were not. But the fact that they tried to do and intended to murder at least the VP and the speaker of the house..


You forgot to repeat some of the other remarks of your anti-Trump friends…….they were “armed to the teeth” and Trump told his cult to go out there and “fight like hell!” 😂😂😂😂😂

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Sep 11, 2022 09:41:45   #
dcmdm85
 
Reread the 5th clause . It says the "Congress has the power to endorse it " which mean that congress endorse the eliminate of any of clauses of the 14th amendment. Because if they will not enforce the first clause then they can't enforce the 2nd or 3rd clauses

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Sep 11, 2022 11:54:07   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
This has Much More relevance, and the Big Guy is still in the White House.

Hunter Biden and China: A timeline of his business ties to the Far East
https://nypost.com/article/hunter-biden-china-timeline-business-ties/#
For at least seven years, many when his father was vice president, Hunter Biden pursued a lucrative deal to run an investment firm founded by millions of dollars from a Chinese partnership.
Joe Biden claims he never spoke with Hunter about his dealings, and never profited from any group his family set up, but e-mails and text messages found on Hunter Biden’s old laptop hard drive — first published by The Post — show “the big guy” being referenced repeatedly. A federal investigation into Hunter is ongoing, and Republicans vow to continue to probe how Hunter profited off his father’s name, and what President-elect Biden knew about it.
“I’m not going to turn a blind eye on this,” Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) said last week. “We’ll keep digging.”
Based on information from the laptop and interviews, here’s what we know about the Chinese deal:
June 2009
As the Obama-Biden administration hit the halfway point of its inaugural year, Hunter Biden co-founded Rosemont Seneca Partners, an investment fund, along with Christopher Heinz — the stepson of Obama’s future Secretary of State John Kerry — and Devon Archer, a former Kerry adviser.
April 7-9, 2010
Hunter Biden visited China as a Rosemont Seneca rep during the second year of his father’s vice presidency. There he gained audiences with top officials of influential state-linked enterprises including the Postal Savings Bank, China Investment Corp., and Founder Group. He was joined on the trip by James Bulger, the politically connected co-founder of the Thornton Group, an Asia-oriented financial services firm.
2012
As Joe Biden ran for his second term as vice president, Hunter Biden and Devon Archer made contact with Chinese financier Jonathan Li, who ran the private-equity fund Bohai Capital. The trio discussed a plan to become partners in a new operation that would invest Chinese cash in ventures outside the country. Eighty percent of the resulting company, Bohai Harvest, was controlled by Chinese state-owned interests.
December 2013
When Chinese president Xi Jinping alarmed the rest of Asia with an aggressive expansion of his military claims over the East China Sea, Vice President Biden was dispatched to Beijing to try to de-escalate tensions. The second son tagged along on Air Force Two. While a somber and subdued Joe Biden held a marathon five-hour meeting with Xi, Hunter got together with Jonathan Li in what handlers at the time described as a social visit. The son even arranged for a handshake between Li and his father at the hotel of the American delegation — troubling some of the vice president’s advisors, according to the New Yorker. Ten days later, the Chinese business license for Bohai Harvest — the company that Hunter Biden and Devon Archer had been trying to launch for more than a year — was approved.
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AND sooo much more.

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Sep 11, 2022 13:02:27   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
336Robin wrote:
It's very likely that Donald Trump will be found guilty of a violation of the 14th Amendment.
It would disqualify him as a candidate for President in 2024.



CBS News
Former Trump White House lawyer thinks Trump violated 14th Amendment
Major Garrett
Fri, September 9, 2022 at 6:00 AM

Ty Cobb, who was a White House lawyer during former President Donald Trump's administration, suspects the Justice Department investigation into whether Trump mishandled White House documents — some of them highly classified — is really about a broader inquiry into potential crimes related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot and efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

"It is about the bigger picture, the Jan. 6 issues, the fake electors, the whole scam with regard to the 'big lie' and the attempts to…cling to the presidency in a desperate fashion," Cobb said on this week's episode of "The Takeout" podcast.


A clue for Cobb, a former federal prosecutor, was the scope of the warrant authorized to search Trump's Mar-a-Lago compound.

"The search warrant is unusually large and broad," Cobb told CBS chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett. "It's very, very comprehensive in terms of the types of documents that the government could take."

"For example, you can take any box that has a document. You can take any box adjacent to a box that has it," he said. "Those are pretty broad parameters."

Cobb represented the White House during special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into suspected Trump collusion with Russian entities in the runup to the 2016 election. That investigation yielded no charges against Trump.

Garrett asked Cobb about his White House experience watching Trump deal with documents – routine or classified.

"The president…was cautioned many times about not tearing up documents," Cobb said. "In my own experience, I have to say, there wasn't really anything quite as consequential as the press reports that I've read. I saw him tear up newspaper articles which sadly, some staffer would have to tape back together at the end of the day. I saw him tear up inconsequential documents, but I never saw him tear up a classified document or something that was important."

As for Trump's legal future, Cobb said he does not believe the documents investigation is the biggest threat.

"I think the president is in serious legal water, not so much because of the search, but because of the obstructive activity he took in connection with the Jan. 6 proceeding," Cobb said. "I think that and the attempts to interfere in the election count in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania and perhaps Michigan. That was the first time in American history that a president unconstitutionally attempted to remain in power illegally."

Cobb says he thinks the possibility of an indictment against Trump is "very high."

In response to a question about Trump's attempts to deny the outcome of the 2020 election and overturn the results, Cobb, based on his extensive working relationship with Trump, said, "I believe former President Trump to be a deeply wounded narcissist, and he is often incapable of acting other than in his perceived self-interest or for revenge," Cobb said. "I think those are the two compelling instincts that guide his actions."

Cobb also thinks that Trump's actions around the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol could lead him to be barred from running for the presidency again.

"There is a simple way to disqualify President Trump," Cobb said. "He clearly violated the 14th Amendment of the Constitution's Article III when he gave aid and comfort and three hours of inaction with regard to what was happening on the grounds of the Capitol. That clearly gave aid and comfort to the insurrectionists."
It's very likely that Donald Trump will be found g... (show quote)


Is Cobb related to Corn Pop? Serious question, they both have delusional thinking.

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Sep 11, 2022 13:05:33   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Weswill wrote:
Please name me one rioter that has been charged as an insurectionist. No one has been charged as insurectionists concerning the Jan. 6 riot. So what insurectionists are you talking about whi you claim Trump helped out??
Who has the responsibility of securing the Capitol? Let me see,,, the house speaker,the senate majority leader, the DC chief of police and the mayor of DC. If anyone abaded or helped or comforted the rioters it would be the above mentioned people not Trump. They had a more responsible role in allowing what happened on Jan 6 than Trump. They plainly failed at their job of securing the capitol. So why not put your focus there where it should be rather than on Trump??
This is just another wasteful attempt to hopefully get something on Trump that would keep him from running again.
You all act like this was the first time an election was challenged and that all that happened was illegal or unconstitutional. In fact the constitution gives us the right to do just that. It does not say anything about us not being able to do this. Even on Jan 6 it is in the constitution that we have a right to reject states electoral votes. It even gives us the procedures to do that. So all this is just talk.
Please name me one rioter that has been charged as... (show quote)


Dems never, ever take responsibility!!!

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Sep 11, 2022 13:08:08   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
[quote=permafrost]when an insurrectionist determined to murder the VP and speaker of the house is breaking into the capital of our nation they must be shot.. and shoot to kill is the order of the day on such and attack.. Byrd only error was to stop pulling the trigger..[/quote

What insurrectionist? You mean that American war veteran? I don't remember you being that upset about rioters and potential murderer going to Kavanughs house?

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Sep 11, 2022 15:59:54   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
microphor wrote:
Is Cobb related to Corn Pop? Serious question, they both have delusional thinking.


Corn Pop was a bad dude.

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Sep 11, 2022 16:17:18   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
336Robin wrote:
Corn Pop was a bad dude.


maybe he's the won who taught Joe to cheat!!

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Sep 11, 2022 21:46:08   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RandyBrian wrote:
You are free to have your opinion. You are free to express it. We remain free to sneer and ridicule it as being nonsense.


Of course

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Sep 11, 2022 21:47:34   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Speculation with no evidence. Just because you want it to be true does not make it so.


Knowing it IS true makes no impact on you?

You should be ashamed, but alas, you're a chump apologist.

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Sep 11, 2022 21:48:26   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
D&$- A$# It’s not about your opinion……..You lied and I proved it by simply copying your responses! 😉

I just love it when you Trump haters get caught in your blatant lies, while continually screeching about Trump’s lies! LOL! You can’t make this stuff up!


Dry up and blow away you asshat-acting nitwit.

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Sep 11, 2022 22:55:25   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Knowing it IS true makes no impact on you?

You should be ashamed, but alas, you're a chump apologist.


It absolutely WOULD have an impact on me......if it were true. IF.
But it's not.

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Sep 12, 2022 00:10:04   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RandyBrian wrote:
It absolutely WOULD have an impact on me......if it were true. IF.
But it's not.


That he watched the riot on teevee for almost 3 hours before telling them to disperse? That's not true?

There are 1st hand witnesses. So you have your "ifs" all effed up.

But I'll admit, it will be a hard pill to swallow when you do finally wake up from your gaslit existence. Don't envy you there.

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