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Aug 17, 2022 18:37:43   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
straightUp wrote:
Actually, the current occupant had the best shot at kicking Trump out and we all knew it. And as it turns out, he *is* working for the people. Biden has already signed more bipartisan legislation than Trump did in his entire term and most of it benefits the American middle-class. You folks just refuse to admit it.


Oh yeah, he's doing a wonderful job. I'm so damned happy to be paying three times as much for gas and food than I was two years ago. Everyone I talk to is just so happy too. We're just a bunch of 'Happy Campers'. Happy, Happy, Happy.

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Aug 17, 2022 18:42:03   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - That's a pretty funny meme. At least you're good at something.

😂 Well. I guess you put me in my place. And in such a clever way.

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Aug 17, 2022 18:42:58   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Balance is not discounting facts. He took secret documents.


Why is it when we say something its speculation but when you say HE took secret documents it as a fact that you don't know? Fact Dershowitz stated on news max that Trump could declassify anything he wanted PERIOD apparently during his presidency he had a rule that anything leaving the white house was automatically DECLASSIFIED. This privilege has been for all presidents. What they did take was information on an ongoing lawsuit and also papers into an investigation into the very agents who were raiding his residence that's what they do know. All presidents from the beginning take papers when they leave to put in their libraries so are we going to raid all of theirs too? Would love to see what Clinton besides stealing picture and furniture from the Whitehouse or Obama took

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Aug 17, 2022 18:44:21   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
straightUp wrote:
Actually, the current occupant had the best shot at kicking Trump out and we all knew it. And as it turns out, he *is* working for the people. Biden has already signed more bipartisan legislation than Trump did in his entire term and most of it benefits the American middle-class. You folks just refuse to admit it.


Love it when a liberal memorized the talking points for the day!

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Aug 17, 2022 19:17:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Blade_Runner wrote:


We have long known the DOJ and its LE arm, the FBI, are politically corrupted bureaucracies not bound by our Constitution or the Rule of Law.

straightUp wrote:
They are in fact legally bound by our Constitution.
Denying the truth, ignoring the facts, and believing the lies is your problem.
U R as blind as a dead canary in a coal mine.

Throughout 2017 and 2018, a massive body of evidence was uncovered that proved Obama's FBI was deployed as a political weapon against president Trump, and this effort was fully supported by Hillary Clinton and some particulars were even funded by the DNC.

January 12th, 2018 • 11:01
FBI and DOJ Used as Political Weapons, Now What?


Recently released emails and texts between FBI agents and Department of Justice officials in the immediately past administration demonstrate that both institutions were completely politicized. Using their official crime-fighting jobs for gaining political power and blocking the will of the American People is the most corrupt thing possible.

A political party wrote fake accusations against a competing US presidential candidate, and those accusations were then used to acquire a search warrant to spy on his political campaign and on the people in it by the sitting administration, which supported the other US presidential candidate.

So we have a presidential administration using official American employees to pursue that administration’s political goals. That’s awful, and illegal.

But it gets worse.

Then the fake accusations and the fake search warrant were used to justify a special investigation into the new president. Making it worse, the special investigator hired dozens of lawyers who were openly partisan and officially associated with the opposing political party. Meaning they are not objective and operating at arm’s length, pursuing justice. They are already political activists.

Making it worse-worse, the FBI agents and DOJ staff in charge of ensuring American law is not broken reveal themselves to be using their professional jobs for purely political purposes here, previously and DURING THE INVESTIGATION ITSELF. They are openly partisan and basing their official actions on their personal values and political loyalties. That’s awful, and illegal, and criminal.

But it gets worse.

Then the special investigator began investigating everyone associated with the president, as well as the president, for everything they had ever done in their lives, going back decades. None of this investigating has anything to do with the original search warrant. This is called a ‘fishing expedition’, and it violates the most basic premise of American justice and law. This is awful, and illegal.

But it gets worse.

Then the special investigator began to entrap the subjects of his investigations, not on the original grounds of the investigation, but on the subjective and vague accusation that the people were trying to hinder his investigation. Not that they had actually committed crimes, but that they were trying to block or obstruct the investigation into whether or not they had actually committed the crimes on which the search warrant was originally issued.

This is called a ‘process crime’.

It is usually a flimsy charge, easily disputed, and is usually associated with getting criminals to more easily own up to their actual crimes for which they were originally targeted.

But in this investigation, it is the ONLY purported “crime” with which anyone is being investigated or charged. So it’s not that anyone being investigated here actually broke a law, but they are being charged with trying to avoid being charged with no proof that they actually did anything they would be charged with in the first place.

This is awful and a violation of everything that America stands for. Not to mention our Constitution.

So we have a political witch hunt, based on paid political activity by the opposing political party, illegally enabled by a sitting president and his staff, illegally implemented by the supposedly professional, non-political bureaucrats who work for the American people to ensure that American law is followed and that real criminals go to jail.

And it turns out the biggest criminals involved are the previous administration, the special investigator, and the FBI agents and DOJ staff who made this whole investigation happen in the first place.

The 1972 Watergate scandal is used as the basis for judging all political scandals, because it was considered so outlandish and unacceptable that it brought down the sitting president, Richard Nixon.

Well, by Watergate standards, this “Russia collusion” investigation by Mueller into Trump is the biggest political scandal ever in American history. It is so big, and so terrible that it has no parallel. It is so evil, and so illegal, that it is impossible to describe as anything other than earth-shaking. The number of FBI agents, DOJ staff, and special investigators (especially Robert Mueller, who knew all along that his investigation was founded on and actually run by corrupt FBI agents) who should be under indictment right now numbers in the dozens.

When the foundation of American justice, the FBI and the DOJ, are so deeply corrupted and used as political weapons to protect political power by one political party, then we have a serious crisis. An enormous crisis.

Were there to be any legal decisions or criminal charges to emanate from this corrupt investigation, our entire rule of law will be called into question. It would mean that whoever controls the official institutions of American crime control and justice will control the entire legal process, and they can do what third-world dictatorships do: Simply accuse their political opponents of vague crimes, charge them, process them through phony kangaroo courts, and lock them up or execute them.

With so many federal judges already amassing political power unto themselves, with the American media protecting them and the previous administration, America is much closer to a serious political crisis than people understand. How this Mueller investigation plays out is anyone’s guess, but we have one political party absolutely going for broke to protect their political power by bringing down a properly elected president they oppose.

And on the other hand, we have a supposedly opposing political party that, with a few exceptions, is mostly silent about the attempted coup d’etat now under way.

Let us ask this question: What if the current president decided to do what was being done to him? Let’s say the current president decides to use the FBI and DOJ to criminalize and prosecute his political enemies. People who have done nothing more than oppose him politically are suddenly either criminal suspects or are actually charged with crimes.

You OK with that?



Nothing has changed. The FBI is still a political weapon with the mission to destroy the entire concept of making America great again. The FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago was nothing more than another attempt to fulfill that mission.

There is no spin you can put on this that can prove otherwise.

Only tyrants and dictators prosecute, persecute, even execute their political opponents.

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Aug 17, 2022 19:28:03   #
son of witless
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I am so sorry Big Fished. The idea that Donny might have committed the biggest espionage heist ever of US secrets seems to bother you to the point that you are calling BS on an investigation in progress, the facts of which I am not privey to the details of.
Did he take some stuff that was not his? Or is everything Trump wants his?

The liars are the ones that lie to themselves.

Donny is a patriot.
Donny love the USA.
Donny cares more for the security of national defence than he does his bank account.

And of course, Donny might be the most honest man God ever created. His words.

And you do know you are supposed to believe everything Donny says. 😂
I am so sorry Big Fished. The idea that Donny migh... (show quote)


You were called out to back up what you said. Like Liberals I have personally called out, you ducked the question and attacked your questioner.

There is no self reflection, no sense of hypocrisy that a normal person would feel if they had committed the sin that you did.

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Aug 17, 2022 19:35:07   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Peaver Bogart wrote:
Oh yeah, he's doing a wonderful job. I'm so damned happy to be paying three times as much for gas and food than I was two years ago. Everyone I talk to is just so happy too. We're just a bunch of 'Happy Campers'. Happy, Happy, Happy.


😂. You have so rough. Most of the world yearns to lives us but we will be living like them soon if they continue to keep us fearful of each others motives. It’s on both sides of the aisle by design I think. Self inflicted population control and who has the guns.

Do a search on ‘Drums of War Mark Twain’. You can read it on different sites, listen to it, lots of different artist have recited it. Timely.

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Aug 17, 2022 19:35:44   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh, now your citing opinions from lawyers that worked with Jeffery Epstein? LOL



Well, interesting that you mentioned the name Jeffery Epstein! Are you hinting that someone that was in anyway connected to Epstein might be suspicious! I guess you didn’t read about any of this from your sources!?! LOL!



https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/


The Florida federal magistrate judge who signed off on a search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort donated to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign — months after he left the local US Attorney’s office to rep employees of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein who had received immunity in the long-running sex-trafficking investigation of the financier.

Sources tell The Post that Judge Bruce Reinhart approved the warrant that enabled federal agents to converge on the palatial South Florida estate on Monday in what Trump called an “unannounced raid on my home.”

Reinhart was elevated to magistrate judge in March 2018 after 10 years in private practice. That November, the Miami Herald reported that he had represented several of Epstein’s employees — including, by Reinhart’s own admission to the outlet, Epstein’s pilots; his scheduler, Sarah Kellen; and Nadia Marcinkova, who Epstein once reportedly described as his “Yugoslavian sex slave.”

Kellen and Marcinkova were among Epstein’s lieutenants who were granted immunity as part of a controversial 2007 deal with federal prosecutors that allowed the pervert to plead guilty to state charges rather than federal crimes. Epstein wound up serving just 13 months in county jail and was granted work release.

According to the Herald, which cited court documents, Reinhart resigned from the South Florida US Attorney’s Office effective on New Year’s Day 2008 and went to work for Epstein’s cohorts the following day.

Epstein, who was found dead in August 2019 of an apparent suicide in the Manhattan Correctional Center while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges, had hired a stable of high-powered lawyers for his defense in the late 2000s, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr.

Ten months after starting work for Epstein’s co-conspirators, according to Federal Election Commission records, Reinhart gave $1,000 directly to the Obama campaign and another $1,000 to its fundraising arm, the Obama Victory Fund. Though the records show the judge made mostly small-dollar donations to his law firm’s political action committee in subsequent years, Reinhart also donated $500 to Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential campaign in November 2015.

Reinhart was later named in a civil lawsuit by two of Epstein’s victims that accused him of violating Justice Department policies by switching sides in the middle of the Epstein investigation, suggesting he had spilled inside information about the probe to build favor with the notorious defendant, the Herald reported in 2018.

In a 2011 affidavit, Reinhart denied he had done anything improper and insisted that since he was not involved in the federal investigation of Epstein, he was not privy to inside information about the case.

However, in a 2013 court filing, Reinhart’s former colleagues contradicted him, saying that he had “learned confidential, non-public information about the Epstein matter” while employed by the US Attorney’s Office. Reinhart noted to the Herald in response that a complaint filed against him by a lawyer for Epstein’s victims had been dismissed by the Justice Department.

As recently as January of 2015, Reinhart was asked to appear on right-wing channel Newsmax to give analysis of the Epstein fallout — but declined to publicly note his own role in the case.

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Aug 17, 2022 19:52:39   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
TexaCan wrote:
Well, interesting that you mentioned the name Jeffery Epstein! Are you hinting that someone that was in anyway connected to Epstein might be suspicious! I guess you didn’t read about any of this from your sources!?! LOL!



https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-once-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein/


The Florida federal magistrate judge who signed off on a search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort donated to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign — months after he left the local US Attorney’s office to rep employees of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein who had received immunity in the long-running sex-trafficking investigation of the financier.

Sources tell The Post that Judge Bruce Reinhart approved the warrant that enabled federal agents to converge on the palatial South Florida estate on Monday in what Trump called an “unannounced raid on my home.”

Reinhart was elevated to magistrate judge in March 2018 after 10 years in private practice. That November, the Miami Herald reported that he had represented several of Epstein’s employees — including, by Reinhart’s own admission to the outlet, Epstein’s pilots; his scheduler, Sarah Kellen; and Nadia Marcinkova, who Epstein once reportedly described as his “Yugoslavian sex slave.”

Kellen and Marcinkova were among Epstein’s lieutenants who were granted immunity as part of a controversial 2007 deal with federal prosecutors that allowed the pervert to plead guilty to state charges rather than federal crimes. Epstein wound up serving just 13 months in county jail and was granted work release.

According to the Herald, which cited court documents, Reinhart resigned from the South Florida US Attorney’s Office effective on New Year’s Day 2008 and went to work for Epstein’s cohorts the following day.

Epstein, who was found dead in August 2019 of an apparent suicide in the Manhattan Correctional Center while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges, had hired a stable of high-powered lawyers for his defense in the late 2000s, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr.

Ten months after starting work for Epstein’s co-conspirators, according to Federal Election Commission records, Reinhart gave $1,000 directly to the Obama campaign and another $1,000 to its fundraising arm, the Obama Victory Fund. Though the records show the judge made mostly small-dollar donations to his law firm’s political action committee in subsequent years, Reinhart also donated $500 to Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential campaign in November 2015.

Reinhart was later named in a civil lawsuit by two of Epstein’s victims that accused him of violating Justice Department policies by switching sides in the middle of the Epstein investigation, suggesting he had spilled inside information about the probe to build favor with the notorious defendant, the Herald reported in 2018.

In a 2011 affidavit, Reinhart denied he had done anything improper and insisted that since he was not involved in the federal investigation of Epstein, he was not privy to inside information about the case.

However, in a 2013 court filing, Reinhart’s former colleagues contradicted him, saying that he had “learned confidential, non-public information about the Epstein matter” while employed by the US Attorney’s Office. Reinhart noted to the Herald in response that a complaint filed against him by a lawyer for Epstein’s victims had been dismissed by the Justice Department.

As recently as January of 2015, Reinhart was asked to appear on right-wing channel Newsmax to give analysis of the Epstein fallout — but declined to publicly note his own role in the case.
Well, interesting that you mentioned the name Jeff... (show quote)




Egg on the face. 😂

On an echo chamber forum that wound became gospel.

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Aug 17, 2022 20:01:26   #
Big Bass
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Denying the truth, ignoring the facts, and believing the lies is your problem.
U R as blind as a dead canary in a coal mine.

Throughout 2017 and 2018, a massive body of evidence was uncovered that proved Obama's FBI was deployed as a political weapon against president Trump, and this effort was fully supported by Hillary Clinton and some particulars were even funded by the DNC.

January 12th, 2018 • 11:01
FBI and DOJ Used as Political Weapons, Now What?


Recently released emails and texts between FBI agents and Department of Justice officials in the immediately past administration demonstrate that both institutions were completely politicized. Using their official crime-fighting jobs for gaining political power and blocking the will of the American People is the most corrupt thing possible.

A political party wrote fake accusations against a competing US presidential candidate, and those accusations were then used to acquire a search warrant to spy on his political campaign and on the people in it by the sitting administration, which supported the other US presidential candidate.

So we have a presidential administration using official American employees to pursue that administration’s political goals. That’s awful, and illegal.

But it gets worse.

Then the fake accusations and the fake search warrant were used to justify a special investigation into the new president. Making it worse, the special investigator hired dozens of lawyers who were openly partisan and officially associated with the opposing political party. Meaning they are not objective and operating at arm’s length, pursuing justice. They are already political activists.

Making it worse-worse, the FBI agents and DOJ staff in charge of ensuring American law is not broken reveal themselves to be using their professional jobs for purely political purposes here, previously and DURING THE INVESTIGATION ITSELF. They are openly partisan and basing their official actions on their personal values and political loyalties. That’s awful, and illegal, and criminal.

But it gets worse.

Then the special investigator began investigating everyone associated with the president, as well as the president, for everything they had ever done in their lives, going back decades. None of this investigating has anything to do with the original search warrant. This is called a ‘fishing expedition’, and it violates the most basic premise of American justice and law. This is awful, and illegal.

But it gets worse.

Then the special investigator began to entrap the subjects of his investigations, not on the original grounds of the investigation, but on the subjective and vague accusation that the people were trying to hinder his investigation. Not that they had actually committed crimes, but that they were trying to block or obstruct the investigation into whether or not they had actually committed the crimes on which the search warrant was originally issued.

This is called a ‘process crime’.

It is usually a flimsy charge, easily disputed, and is usually associated with getting criminals to more easily own up to their actual crimes for which they were originally targeted.

But in this investigation, it is the ONLY purported “crime” with which anyone is being investigated or charged. So it’s not that anyone being investigated here actually broke a law, but they are being charged with trying to avoid being charged with no proof that they actually did anything they would be charged with in the first place.

This is awful and a violation of everything that America stands for. Not to mention our Constitution.

So we have a political witch hunt, based on paid political activity by the opposing political party, illegally enabled by a sitting president and his staff, illegally implemented by the supposedly professional, non-political bureaucrats who work for the American people to ensure that American law is followed and that real criminals go to jail.

And it turns out the biggest criminals involved are the previous administration, the special investigator, and the FBI agents and DOJ staff who made this whole investigation happen in the first place.

The 1972 Watergate scandal is used as the basis for judging all political scandals, because it was considered so outlandish and unacceptable that it brought down the sitting president, Richard Nixon.

Well, by Watergate standards, this “Russia collusion” investigation by Mueller into Trump is the biggest political scandal ever in American history. It is so big, and so terrible that it has no parallel. It is so evil, and so illegal, that it is impossible to describe as anything other than earth-shaking. The number of FBI agents, DOJ staff, and special investigators (especially Robert Mueller, who knew all along that his investigation was founded on and actually run by corrupt FBI agents) who should be under indictment right now numbers in the dozens.

When the foundation of American justice, the FBI and the DOJ, are so deeply corrupted and used as political weapons to protect political power by one political party, then we have a serious crisis. An enormous crisis.

Were there to be any legal decisions or criminal charges to emanate from this corrupt investigation, our entire rule of law will be called into question. It would mean that whoever controls the official institutions of American crime control and justice will control the entire legal process, and they can do what third-world dictatorships do: Simply accuse their political opponents of vague crimes, charge them, process them through phony kangaroo courts, and lock them up or execute them.

With so many federal judges already amassing political power unto themselves, with the American media protecting them and the previous administration, America is much closer to a serious political crisis than people understand. How this Mueller investigation plays out is anyone’s guess, but we have one political party absolutely going for broke to protect their political power by bringing down a properly elected president they oppose.

And on the other hand, we have a supposedly opposing political party that, with a few exceptions, is mostly silent about the attempted coup d’etat now under way.

Let us ask this question: What if the current president decided to do what was being done to him? Let’s say the current president decides to use the FBI and DOJ to criminalize and prosecute his political enemies. People who have done nothing more than oppose him politically are suddenly either criminal suspects or are actually charged with crimes.

You OK with that?



Nothing has changed. The FBI is still a political weapon with the mission to destroy the entire concept of making America great again. The FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago was nothing more than another attempt to fulfill that mission.

There is no spin you can put on this that can prove otherwise.

Only tyrants and dictators prosecute, persecute, even execute their political opponents.
Denying the truth, ignoring the facts, and believi... (show quote)

So true, Blade. The fbi is so obviously crooked, that they’d be so hilarious if the crime, yes, crime, they have committed wasn’t so detrimental to an innocent person, they would rival the Keystone Cops.

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Aug 17, 2022 20:17:32   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Big Bass wrote:
So true, Blade. The fbi is so obviously crooked, that they’d be so hilarious if the crime, yes, crime, they have committed wasn’t so detrimental to an innocent person, they would rival the Keystone Cops.

Detrimental to not only an innocent person but detrimental to the nation as a whole.

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Aug 17, 2022 20:26:46   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
RascalRiley wrote:
😂. You have so rough. Most of the world yearns to lives us but we will be living like them soon if they continue to keep us fearful of each others motives. It’s on both sides of the aisle by design I think. Self inflicted population control and who has the guns.

Do a search on ‘Drums of War Mark Twain’. You can read it on different sites, listen to it, lots of different artist have recited it. Timely.


I don't know why you're replying to my post!!! I have no desire to communicate with you, in fact, I don't read any of your dumbass posts. I've told you that before, but I reckon you're not smart enough to comprehend it!!!

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Aug 17, 2022 20:41:42   #
Big Bass
 
JR-57 wrote:
Detrimental to not only an innocent person but detrimental to the nation as a whole.

👍👍🍺🍺

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Aug 17, 2022 20:44:34   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Peaver Bogart wrote:
I don't know why you're replying to my post!!! I have no desire to communicate with you, in fact, I don't read any of your dumbass posts. I've told you that before, but I reckon you're not smart enough to comprehend it!!!

I am old and I don’t care. As for the future if I look at the poster and if it is you posting I will abstain. Avoid me as well

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Aug 17, 2022 21:11:36   #
Big Kahuna
 
billlingle wrote:
The passports have been returned or are scheduled to be returned. The FBI is not considering Fat Donny a flight risk as no country where anyone would want to go will have him. None of the documents will ever be returned given the fact that they all belong to the American people and will reside in the National Archives.
What is more likely than an apology to come from Fat Donny's collusion with Russian intelligence is an indictment. Hillary, by the way, is doing just fine and seems to be entertained by the legal and financial nightmare that the Fat Boy finds himself in. Seems that she is actually thinking about beating Fat Donny once again in 2024. Not my choice but entertaining none-the-less.
The passports have been returned or are scheduled ... (show quote)


The only thing Hitlery can beat is Bill Clinton's meat and even that is up for conjecture.. Why do you think Bill has to step outside of his marriage to find satisfaction? It's because Hitlery likes women,not men.

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