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Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

kemmer wrote:

Uh-huh. So the Donbas just decided they didn’t want to be a Ukrainian province anymore? Kyiv was supposed to just say, “Fine, go be part of Russia if you want”.
Most Ukrainians are bi-lingual.

Sort of like how Canada allows the Quebecois to vote on seceding or not...

Yeah... If you truly believe in democracy you should be fine with people voting to break away from a nation they don't want to be a part of....

Do you think Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan should have the right to break away from China???

kemmer

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Sort of like how Canada allows the Quebecois to vote on seceding or not...

The Quebeois can vote on seceding all they want, but nobody expects that to happen.

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Yeah... If you truly believe in democracy you should be fine with people voting to break away from a nation they don't want to be a part of....

Do you think Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan should have the right to break away from China???

As for Xinjiang and Tibet, if they decided to leave China, you can bet the farm that the Chinese army would put an immediate stop to that, probably extremely violently, and the Ukrainian gov't. reacted similarly in Donbas. The Uighurs are mostly in concentration camps now anyway, so Xinjiang shouldn't be much of a problem to subdue.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

kemmer wrote:

As for Xinjiang and Tibet, if they decided to leave China, you can bet the farm that the Chinese army would put an immediate stop to that, probably extremely violently, and the Ukrainian gov't. reacted similarly in Donbas. The Uighurs are mostly in concentration camps now, so Xinjiang shouldn't be much of a problem to subdue.

So I guess you are ok with the Ukraine military continuing their bombing and shelling of peoples homes, schools and businesses in the donbas as they have done since 2014, killing some 14,000 Russian speaking people there???

kemmer

nwtk2007 wrote:

So I guess you are ok with the Ukraine military continuing their bombing and shelling of peoples homes, schools and businesses in the donbas as they have done since 2014, killing some 14,000 Russian speaking people there???

Most Ukrainians are Russian-speaking; that doesn't mean a province can decided on its own to secede from a country. The Donbas had (has) many Russians present who are doing their fair share of the killing.

whole2th

kemmer wrote:

Most Ukrainians are Russian-speaking; that doesn't mean a province can decided on its own to secede from a country. The Donbas had (has) many Russians present who are doing their fair share of the killing.

As kemmer's credibility is zero, his unproven allegations are a waste of electrons and our time reading kemmer's allegations.

Trudeau commits one of kemmer's projection tactics by accusing Russia of stifling media when Trudeau himself banned RT from Canada. https://alethonews.com/2022/05/18/trudeau-accuses-russia-of-silencing-media-after-cbc-office-shut-in-tit-for-tat-move/

Perhaps there are short-circuits in their brains--unable to see themselves?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

kemmer wrote:

Most Ukrainians are Russian-speaking; that doesn't mean a province can decided on its own to secede from a country. The Donbas had (has) many Russians present who are doing their fair share of the killing.

Not from before the Russian invasion. From 2014 until Russia invaded, the Ukraine army has been bombing and shelling the peoples of the donbas because they dared to vote to be independent of Ukraine, because they did not support the illegal installation of a western backed president in 2014.

So answer my question, do you support Ukraine bombing and killing the peoples of the donbas? Simple answer; yes or no. Do you support the abuses of the Ukraine gov against the peoples there AND Crimea who also voted to be separate and apart from the Ukraine gov, for the very same reason?? Do you support all that violence and killing??

kemmer

whole2th wrote:

Trudeau commits one of kemmer's projection tactics by accusing Russia of stifling media when Trudeau himself banned RT from Canada.

Russia allows NO outside media or discussion not presented by Russian state media. And that's a fact. RT is also out in this country because it feeds people like you Russian propaganda, and you just lap it up.

whole2th

kemmer wrote:

Russia allows NO outside media or discussion not presented by Russian state media. And that's a fact. RT is also out in this country because it feeds people like you Russian propaganda, and you just lap it up.

Your buddy Dubya thinks like ya, kemmer.

https://youtu.be/jKcjFHu0RBI

Note the typical kemmer comment lacking any proof of his allegations. This is tiresome.

https://news.yahoo.com/crimea-vote-joining-russia-moscow-wields-u-n-024050097--finance.html

kemmer

nwtk2007 wrote:

Not from before the Russian invasion. From 2014 u... (show quote)

The Ukrainian gov't. is legitimately protecting the integrity of its national borders. Just because you've bought into the Russian excuses for invading Ukraine and trying to force it back into Russia's orbit and away from Europe, does not justify Ukrainian provinces "voting" to secede and inviting Russia in to force the issue.

kemmer

whole2th wrote:

Your buddy Dubya thinks like ya, kemmer.

Good on him.

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Note the typical kemmer comment lacking any proof of his allegations.

We've yet to see any of your "proof" that Nazis were controlling the Ukrainian gov't., so there IS that.

whole2th

kemmer wrote:

We've yet to see any of your "proof" that Nazis were controlling the Ukrainian gov't., so there IS that.

From my posts you could surmise that Nazis COLLUDE with the present Ukrainian regime. I didn't contend they control the regime.

Zionists (Israel) would be my bet as to who are controlling Ukraine. The Hillary-Nuland State Department provide links to Zionism. And, I've noted a few times the support that the Ukraine Nazis have received from Israel and from the Anti-Defamation League.

Not only do you not provide supporting proofs, you have to misstate others' posts in order to appear to debunk the posts.

Lame. Fail.

Expect flippant and inane remarks from kemmer.

kemmer

whole2th wrote:

From my posts you could surmise that Nazis COLLUDE with the present Ukrainian regime.

From YOUR posts? Seriously? (Guffaw!!)

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Zionists (Israel) would be my bet as to who are controlling Ukraine.

Well, at least they're not Nazis, right?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

whole2th wrote:

Your buddy Dubya thinks like ya, kemmer.

https://youtu.be/jKcjFHu0RBI

Note the typical kemmer comment lacking any proof of his allegations. This is tiresome.

https://news.yahoo.com/crimea-vote-joining-russia-moscow-wields-u-n-024050097--finance.html

RT was being blocked by Google but not any more in most places.

whole2th

kemmer wrote:

The Ukrainian gov't. is legitimately protecting the integrity of its national borders. Just because you've bought into the Russian excuses for invading Ukraine and trying to force it back into Russia's orbit and away from Europe, does not justify Ukrainian provinces "voting" to secede and inviting Russia in to force the issue.

The regime in Ukraine negates any appearance of legitimacy by shelling the Donbas region since 2015--killing 15,000.

Harboring 30+ biological weapons laboratories threatens Russia and the world.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

kemmer wrote:

The Ukrainian gov't. is legitimately protecting the integrity of its national borders. Just because you've bought into the Russian excuses for invading Ukraine and trying to force it back into Russia's orbit and away from Europe, does not justify Ukrainian provinces "voting" to secede and inviting Russia in to force the issue.

Does "legitimately protecting" a border from those within the border, include bombing and shelling homes, schools and businesses killing men, women and children??