nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I used to like Condy but then I remembered how she supported Bush's war efforts, misguided as they were. She also claimed Iraq had WMD's. She is most likely a globalist. She is definitely into democratizing the world. He opinions of Putin are to be taken with a grain of salt, I think.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

She claimed Iraq had WMDs because that was the information from the intelligence agencies from Britain and the USA. Furthermore, Saddam Hussein purposely projected this.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I didn't say I trust her. Only showing what she had to say. I take it all with a healthy dose of skepticism.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Just another example of why our intel agencies can't be trusted.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Intell, FBI, DOJ,...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Yep, pretty much all of 'em.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

So anything she said you automatically discount. That's so open-minded of you.
She is an expert on Putin and Russia. Just another perspective.
BTW, Do you believe everything the Chicoms say or put them at the top of your list if Neo-Cons are at the bottom of your list?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

You should learn more about the rights and privileges of minorities in China...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Fair enough...

I read it and it came off as her wanting to push another war....

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

She's hardly an expert on Putin and Russia...Where'd you get that idea???

Chicoms are somewhere in the middle... It depends on the topic...

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Such as the Uyghurs? Why don't you enlighten us?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Xinjiang has a fascinating history... Part of China for hundreds of years...Integral to the Silk Road before that...

Today Xinjiang is an ethnic autonomous region... Where the Uighurs have certain rights not granted to other citizens..Exemption from the One Child Policy is a good example... They've seen a significant population growth, far higher than
that of the dominant Han population...

They are free to practice their religion and faith throughout China, but in Xinjiang they are also allowed to open ethnic schools which teach in their language and allow religious Education... These schools are only open to minorities (note: In China one's ethnicity is part of one's ID and is chosen at birth... In the case of mixed ethnicity only one is permissible... Hence many minorities of mixed heritage may choose Han ethnicity...My wife's family did this with her...Although they are all ethnic Manchurians, her paternal grandmother is Han and so she was able to register as Han)

Unfortunately, China does not allow for secession nor terrorism... And as such those Uighurs caught up in such movements are subject to penalty... Also, unlike many nations, China has different levels of incarceration... Prison is reserved for high level crimes, whereas reeducation camps are usually used for non violent crimes...


https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2021-01-07-%0A---latest-research-report--the-uyghur-population-s-growth-rate-is-higher-than-that-of-the-entire-xinjiang-population%0A--.rJvybzr4CP.html

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/religion-in-the-chinese-constitution

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/uighur-dissent-and-militancy-in-chinas-xinjiang-province/


I have a question now... Do you believe that regions like Xinjiang and Tibet (among others) have the right to self governance???

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

You should learn more about the atrocities against the minorities of China!

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting#

“Break their lineage, break their roots, break their connections, and break their origins. Completely shovel up the roots of “two-faced people,” dig them out, and vow to fight these two-faced people until the end.”

—Maisumujiang Maimuer, Chinese religious affairs official, August 10, 2017, on a Xinhua Weibo page


In May 2014, the Chinese government launched the “Strike Hard Campaign against Violent Terrorism” (严厉打击暴力恐怖活动专项行动) in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (Xinjiang or XUAR) against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims.[1] Research by Stanford Law School’s Human Rights & Conflict Resolution Clinic and Human Rights Watch, along with reports by human rights organizations, the media, activist groups, and others, and internal Chinese Communist Party (CCP) documents, show that the Chinese government has committed—and continues to commit—crimes against humanity against the Turkic Muslim population.[2]

This report sets forth the factual basis for that conclusion, assessing available information about Chinese government actions in Xinjiang within the international legal framework.

Under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), crimes against humanity are serious specified offenses that are knowingly committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against any civilian population. “Widespread” refers to the scale of the acts or number of victims. A “systematic” attack indicates a pattern or methodical plan. Crimes against humanity can be committed during peace time as well as during armed conflict, so long as they are directed against a civilian population.

Crimes against humanity are considered among the gravest human rights abuses under international law. The specific crimes against humanity documented in this report include imprisonment or other deprivation of liberty in violation of international law; persecution of an identifiable ethnic or religious group; enforced disappearance; torture; murder; and alleged inhumane acts intentionally causing great suffering or serious injury to mental or physical health, notably forced labor and sexual violence.

The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, located in China’s northwest, is the only region in China with a majority Muslim population. The Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and other communities in the region are ethnically Turkic. Unlike the majority Han Chinese, who are primarily Chinese speakers, the Turkic population is predominantly Muslim and have their own languages. According to the 2010 census, Uyghurs made up 46 percent and Kazakhs 7 percent of the Xinjiang population.

The Chinese government’s oppression of Turkic Muslims is not a new phenomenon, but in recent years has reached unprecedented levels. As many as a million people have been arbitrarily detained in 300 to 400 facilities,[3] which include “political education” camps, pretrial detention centers, and prisons.[4] Courts have handed down harsh prison sentences without due process, sentencing Turkic Muslims to years in prison merely for sending an Islamic religious recording to a family member or downloading e-books in Uyghur. Detainees and prisoners are subjected to torture and other ill-treatment, cultural and political indoctrination, and forced labor. The oppression continues outside the detention facilities: the Chinese authorities impose on Turkic Muslims a pervasive system of mass surveillance, controls on movement, arbitrary arrest and enforced disappearance, cultural and religious erasure, and family separation.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Didn't read the article I posted...

Maisumujiang Maimuer isn't Han Chinese... And his comment was from his Weibo account... Like Twitter...

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Those minorities sure come in handy when you need forced cheap labor or a healthy kidney for some loyal rich Chinese fellow! 🤷🏻‍♀️


https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/uyghur-women-recall-horrors-of-chinas-labor-camps/

On Thursday, the US Senate followed the House’s lead in passing the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act, which promises to ban imports coming from the Xinjiang region — home to some 12 million Uyghur people — unless there is proof the goods were not produced by forced labor. It’s now waiting to be signed by President Biden.

Amelia Pang, author of “Made in China: A Prisoner, an SOS Letter, and the Hidden Cost of America’s Cheap Goods,” acknowledged that the act is a huge deal that “hurts China’s plan. China has invested a lot of money into making an important trade route [that goes through Xinjiang] a key part of what is called its Belt and Road Initiative. It’s a trillion-dollar project to connect China to Central Asia and Europe and the Middle East. It’s almost too big to fail.

“They are afraid of an uprising in the region. They are so afraid of losing out on their investment.”

But she pointed out that, to be effective, the act needs the teeth of corporate executives: According to a study published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, companies such as Nike, BMW and Apple use components and materials produced directly or indirectly by forced labor.

“The supply chain is murky … and there is not a whole lot of accountability,” Pang told The Post, adding that large corporations often look the other way and avoid asking the right questions. “They need to think about whether the money they are paying [for manufacturing] can realistically meet the wages from that region. Factories follow the bottom line and outsource to prison camps where workers are basically slave labor.”

An Apple spokesman told The Post, “We conducted over 1,100 audits, including surprise audits, and interviewed more than 57,000 workers to insure that our standards are upheld … We have found no evidence of forced labor anywhere in our supply chain.” Representatives for Nike and BMW did not respond to requests for comment.

The next time you’re tempted to purchase a pair of leather gloves made in China, think of Gulzira Auelkhan. She spent two and a half months in a forced labor camp near the country’s northern border, working for pennies per hour stitching gloves.

“There were cameras and police and you could not sit,” she told The Post. “I worked constantly, 14 hours a day, and was yelled at so much that it began to feel normal.”

Amazingly, what kept Auelkhan, who received political asylum in the United States earlier this year, from slowing down on the assembly line was a fear that she would be relieved of her labor.

“If you said you did not want to work, you went back to the [prison] camp, where you would be tortured,” she said. “I felt like a slave but it was better than being in the other camp.”

Indeed, Ziyawudun recalled the looming threat of being summoned to a space that women in her prison camp referred to as “the dark room.”

“We were all scared of it. When the police wanted to threaten us, they’d say they were going to take us to that room,” Ziyawudun said. “Anything you can think of, including rape, takes place in that room.”

Pang is not surprised: “Rape is pretty standard in forced labor camps,” she said. “The goal is to brainwash prisoners into being patriotic and extremely aligned with the Chinese state.”

Bob Fu, founder and president of China Aid, an organization with the mission of advancing religious freedom in China, was told by a former prisoner that the sexual brutality comes with a commercial component.

“We rescued a woman who was eyewitness to a program that the government organized for prostitution,” Fu told The Post. “She was handcuffed to the bed, the man did his thing and she cried. She said she heard the man shouting and complaining that he had paid good money for this and she was crying.”

Fiendishly convenient for the Chinese, according to Kuzzat Altay, CEO of Cydeo, an international software-coding boot camp, the use of forced labor in hundreds of camps and factories scattered around the country allows the Chinese government to undercut manufacturing costs around the world.

“China keeps prices low and Americans keep buying Chinese products cheaply,” said Altay, a former resident of Xinjiang who moved to America in 2008 and is an outspoken opponent of the country’s human right abuses.

“China’s entire supply chain of manufacturing involves forced labor. They make shoes, pants, solar panels in these forced-labor factories,” he told The Post. “The Chinese economy is a vehicle for oppression and a source of influence in Silicon Valley, Hollywood and Wall Street. That money comes from slavery.”

Altay’s 67-year-old father was kept in a prison camp for two years, held there, supposedly, so the government could teach him a trade that could help the Communist Party.

For two years after, Altay said, “I did not know if he was alive or not. I cried every day. It was mental torture.”

Fortunately. Altay’s father emerged with his organs intact. “Organ harvesting is normal in the Chinese Communist Party,” Altay said. “They are known for this. There are some rich Middle Eastern clients who want Muslim kidneys” — which are free of alcohol and pork. “So Uyghur people were having their kidneys taken.”

In 2019, a group called the China Tribunal offered testimony to the United Nations Human Rights Council, maintaining that “forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale.”

Altay views this as more than pure cruelty — saying it’s also a form of slow-motion genocide. “The women get sterilized because the Chinese government wants to minimize the Uyghur population,” he said. “Right now the population growth is almost zero percent. In 10 years it will be zero.”

Chinese government spokespeople have denied this.