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Apr 19, 2022 17:40:47 #
To the 'genius' debunkers (NOT!) here at OPP:
Andrei Martyanov : Phase 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mru0HzJe_0
Comment by 'The Dolphin':
I saw a post proposing that the underneath facilities at Azovstal might actually have been a NATO Command Control Base for coordination of its secret operations in Ukraine over the last 8, if not 30, years. In other words, it's not just a steel factory they retreated into for a last stand. If you connect many dots, this is a brilliant possibility which would explain:
The super security and secrecy of hiding it below a busy industrial site of 40,000 above ground workers,
It's present day ownership by Ukraine's richest oligarch Rinat Akhmetov,
It's original ownership by Andrei Biletsky, the actual founder of Azov, who has described Azovstal as "the fortress of Azov",
The massive preponderance of Azovs in the Mariupol region,
Its access to shipping imports of weapons,
The comprehensive comms facilities it apparently has with facilities outside of itself,
The storage of survival goods it reportedly has in there,
The reputed "400 foreign fighters" might actually be NATO personnel, not merely amateurs from Birmingham with an AK47,
The failed helicopter evacuation attempts.
The Russians must surely know all this and really really want to expose it to the world through a surrender rather than a mass burial (which they would surely excavate later for evidence). Macron and other EU leaders' panic about exposure of the headquarters.
It all makes a very convincing case.
Andrei Martyanov : Phase 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mru0HzJe_0
Comment by 'The Dolphin':
I saw a post proposing that the underneath facilities at Azovstal might actually have been a NATO Command Control Base for coordination of its secret operations in Ukraine over the last 8, if not 30, years. In other words, it's not just a steel factory they retreated into for a last stand. If you connect many dots, this is a brilliant possibility which would explain:
The super security and secrecy of hiding it below a busy industrial site of 40,000 above ground workers,
It's present day ownership by Ukraine's richest oligarch Rinat Akhmetov,
It's original ownership by Andrei Biletsky, the actual founder of Azov, who has described Azovstal as "the fortress of Azov",
The massive preponderance of Azovs in the Mariupol region,
Its access to shipping imports of weapons,
The comprehensive comms facilities it apparently has with facilities outside of itself,
The storage of survival goods it reportedly has in there,
The reputed "400 foreign fighters" might actually be NATO personnel, not merely amateurs from Birmingham with an AK47,
The failed helicopter evacuation attempts.
The Russians must surely know all this and really really want to expose it to the world through a surrender rather than a mass burial (which they would surely excavate later for evidence). Macron and other EU leaders' panic about exposure of the headquarters.
It all makes a very convincing case.
Apr 19, 2022 17:44:23 #
Kramatorsk train station attack: The key to finding the perpetrator lies in this overlooked detail
Kiev and its Western backers immediately blamed Russia for the incident, but a proper investigation is likely to disagree
https://alethonews.com/2022/04/19/kramatorsk-train-station-attack-the-key-to-finding-the-perpetrator-lies-in-this-overlooked-detail/
Change agents here are failing at every attempt to convince that the Azov Nazis are the innocents.
"The flight characteristics of the Tochka-U result in a debris pattern which has the cluster munitions impacting on the ground first, followed by the depleted booster, which hits the earth some distance behind the impact of the warhead. This creates a tell-tale signature, so to speak, of the direction from where the missile was launched, which can be crudely calculated by shooting a reverse azimuth from the point of impact of the warhead through the booster.
It is this physical reality which provides the first real clue as to who fired the Tochka-U that hit Kramatorsk. The relationship of the booster when it came to earth, when assessed to the impact zone of the cluster munitions, provides a reverse azimuth which, even when factoring in a generous margin of error for potential drift, points to territory that was under the excusive control of the Ukrainian government, which means that there is little doubt that the missile that struck the Kramatorsk train station was fired by a launcher under the operational control of the 19th Missile Brigade, Ukraine’s only Tochka-U-equipped unit. More specifically, a forensic evaluation of the missile debris clearly shows that it was launched by the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade, based near Dobropolia, some 45 kilometers from Kramatorsk."
"Ukraine’s embattled President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared that the missile strike on Kramatorsk “must be one of the charges at the tribunal” he envisages at the International Criminal Court. “Like the massacre in Bucha, like many other Russian war crimes.”
Zelensky might want to be careful about what he wishes for. Any serious investigation into the Kramatorsk train station bombing will include an inquiry into the missile involved, and questions of ownership in which the missile serial number inscribed on the booster will play a leading role. If this is indeed the case–and the available evidence strongly suggests that it is–then it will be Zelensky and his leadership on the docket for the crime of slaughtering the very civilians whose lives he claims to be protecting.
Kiev and its Western backers immediately blamed Russia for the incident, but a proper investigation is likely to disagree
https://alethonews.com/2022/04/19/kramatorsk-train-station-attack-the-key-to-finding-the-perpetrator-lies-in-this-overlooked-detail/
Change agents here are failing at every attempt to convince that the Azov Nazis are the innocents.
"The flight characteristics of the Tochka-U result in a debris pattern which has the cluster munitions impacting on the ground first, followed by the depleted booster, which hits the earth some distance behind the impact of the warhead. This creates a tell-tale signature, so to speak, of the direction from where the missile was launched, which can be crudely calculated by shooting a reverse azimuth from the point of impact of the warhead through the booster.
It is this physical reality which provides the first real clue as to who fired the Tochka-U that hit Kramatorsk. The relationship of the booster when it came to earth, when assessed to the impact zone of the cluster munitions, provides a reverse azimuth which, even when factoring in a generous margin of error for potential drift, points to territory that was under the excusive control of the Ukrainian government, which means that there is little doubt that the missile that struck the Kramatorsk train station was fired by a launcher under the operational control of the 19th Missile Brigade, Ukraine’s only Tochka-U-equipped unit. More specifically, a forensic evaluation of the missile debris clearly shows that it was launched by the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade, based near Dobropolia, some 45 kilometers from Kramatorsk."
"Ukraine’s embattled President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared that the missile strike on Kramatorsk “must be one of the charges at the tribunal” he envisages at the International Criminal Court. “Like the massacre in Bucha, like many other Russian war crimes.”
Zelensky might want to be careful about what he wishes for. Any serious investigation into the Kramatorsk train station bombing will include an inquiry into the missile involved, and questions of ownership in which the missile serial number inscribed on the booster will play a leading role. If this is indeed the case–and the available evidence strongly suggests that it is–then it will be Zelensky and his leadership on the docket for the crime of slaughtering the very civilians whose lives he claims to be protecting.
Apr 19, 2022 17:45:34 #
whole2th wrote:
The 'man on the street' interview blames Azov for the dead bodies in the street.
Oh excuuuuuse me! 😂🙄
Did he have a Russian uniform on? 🇺🇦
Apr 19, 2022 18:09:26 #
whole2th wrote:
Kramatorsk train station attack: The key to finding the perpetrator lies in this overlooked detail
Kiev and its Western backers immediately blamed Russia for the incident, but a proper investigation is likely to disagree
Kiev and its Western backers immediately blamed Russia for the incident, but a proper investigation is likely to disagree
Don’t hold your breath. 🙄
Apr 19, 2022 18:12:06 #
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it will be Zelensky and his leadership on the docket for the crime of slaughtering the very civilians whose lives he claims to be protecting.
In your wildest, craziest dreams.
Apr 19, 2022 21:05:37 #
Apr 19, 2022 21:19:33 #
whole2th wrote:
Is there an exorcist in the audience reading kemmer's posts?
Is there a psychiatrist in the audience? Whole2th desperately needs help.
Apr 20, 2022 00:04:32 #
Russia needs to get the F out of other countries and clean up their own corruption.
Apr 20, 2022 04:21:10 #
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Russia needs to get the F out of other countries and clean up their own corruption.
You misspelled America...
Apr 20, 2022 08:31:18 #
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Russia needs to get the F out of other countries and clean up their own corruption.
Putin has been knocking heads in Russia. Get yours out of the sand. That means "repent".
~Z30
Apr 20, 2022 10:30:22 #
"Will these infantiles every grow up?
I doubt it, if anything, their antics “by infantiles – for infantiles” combined with the most massive exercise in world history to “cancel” any “wrong” information, show both how desperate and helpless these folks are.
As for the Nazis occupiers, they just passed a law allowing foreigners to work for the Ukrainian “intelligence” services. What a surprise, at least for those who had not realized that the USA has been running the SBU, and everything else, in Nazi occupied Ukraine since the Euromaidan (and even before).
In conclusion, I just want to end with a reminder. This is not a war between Russia and the Ukraine. This is a war between Russia and the united West, the latest one is a series going back at least a thousand years. Russia has been singled out for “cancellation” and we don’t want to be canceled."
https://thesaker.is/the-2nd-phase-of-the-russian-smo-personal-note/
I doubt it, if anything, their antics “by infantiles – for infantiles” combined with the most massive exercise in world history to “cancel” any “wrong” information, show both how desperate and helpless these folks are.
As for the Nazis occupiers, they just passed a law allowing foreigners to work for the Ukrainian “intelligence” services. What a surprise, at least for those who had not realized that the USA has been running the SBU, and everything else, in Nazi occupied Ukraine since the Euromaidan (and even before).
In conclusion, I just want to end with a reminder. This is not a war between Russia and the Ukraine. This is a war between Russia and the united West, the latest one is a series going back at least a thousand years. Russia has been singled out for “cancellation” and we don’t want to be canceled."
https://thesaker.is/the-2nd-phase-of-the-russian-smo-personal-note/
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Apr 20, 2022 11:25:46 #
whole2th wrote:
In conclusion, I just want to end with a reminder. This is not a war between Russia and the Ukraine. This is a war between Russia and the united West, the latest one is a series going back at least a thousand years. Russia has been singled out for “cancellation” and we don’t want to be canceled."
In conclusion, I just want to end with a reminder. This is not a war between Russia and the Ukraine. This is a war between Russia and the united West, the latest one is a series going back at least a thousand years. Russia has been singled out for “cancellation” and we don’t want to be canceled."
You just can't accept the down and dirty truth, that this war is very simply a matter of Putin wanting Ukraine again under Russian control--i.e. Putin's control. Putin sees himself as Stalin 2.0. He's been busy in a campaign to clean up Stalin's murderous rep, even going so far as to bulldoze over monuments and a museum in northern Russia dedicated to 9000 people Stalin liquidated, whose graves were discovered a few years ago.
Apr 20, 2022 11:31:21 #
whole2th wrote:
How much do you know about Zelensky?
Putin's bosom buddy, Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill, said the "military exercise" in Ukraine is God's work to wipe out the depravity of Gay Pride Parades.
Apr 20, 2022 12:04:05 #
kemmer wrote:
You just can't accept the down and dirty truth, that this war is very simply a matter of Putin wanting Ukraine again under Russian control--i.e. Putin's control. Putin sees himself as Stalin 2.0. He's been busy in a campaign to clean up Stalin's murderous rep, even going so far as to bulldoze over monuments and a museum in northern Russia dedicated to 9000 people Stalin liquidated, whose graves were discovered a few years ago.
Putin is taking out the neo-Nazi trash and the threat to Russia from the bordering regime in Ukraine.
YOU see Putin as Stalin and YOU project your own stinking ways of being upon Putin.
Putin has said Russia is ready to discuss Ukraine's neutral status in a bid to end hostilities.
A logical outcome is Donbas joining Russia as Crimea chose to come under Russian umbrella.
A peaceful outcome is for Ukraine to abandon the Nazi positions and abandon its threats via biological weapons laboratories funded by the Pentagon.
Apr 20, 2022 12:10:27 #
whole2th wrote:
Putin is taking out the neo-Nazi trash and the thr... (show quote)
This is a confusing topic; a many angle topic.
One thing I have learned over 50 years is; don't trust Zionists/Zionism.
They have always been behind the covert NWO agenda.
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