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Mar 28, 2022 03:49:46   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
kemmer wrote:
Umm…. If all the “white people” were removed from Ukraine there’d be nobody left. 🙄🤪


Whole2th is suffering from Classic Nazi Racial Ideology.

Hitler was obsessed with race long before becoming Chancellor of Germany. His speeches and writings spread his belief that the world was engaged in an endless racial struggle. White Nordic people topped the racial hierarchy; Slavs, Blacks, and Arabs were lower, and Jews, who were believed to be an existential threat to the “Aryan Master race,” were at the very bottom.

When the Nazis came to power, these beliefs became government ideology and were spread publicly in posters, radio, movies, classrooms and newspapers. They also served as a basis for a campaign to reorder German society, first through the exclusion of Jews from public life, then the murder of disabled Germans as well as Slavs and, ultimately, the effort to exterminate European Jewry.

“Alien,” “Parasite,” “Degenerate” In order to make Jewish persecution publicly palatable, Nazi propagandists attempted to dehumanize Jews by branding them as a biological threat to Germany. Government-sponsored racist propaganda was widely distributed denouncing Jews as “alien,” and “parasitic,” and responsible for Germany’s cultural, political, and economic “degeneration.”

These words had an enormous effect, creating an environment in which persecution and violence were acceptable. Students burned books by Jewish authors on pyres and purged works of art and music by Jews and others considered “un-German.” Much worse, Jews became less human in German eyes, and less worthy of society’s protection.

“Jewish Communists” was another term used by Nazi fascists as they sought to destroy the legitimacy of Germany's Jewish citizens, and turn them into contemptible "enemies of the state" in the eyes of their countrymen.

In the 1920s and 1930s, Nazis were, in part, defined by their opposition to communism as they treated them as competitors in their own struggle to control the mind of the public. After the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, Germany seemed vulnerable to the spread of communism, particularly after a communist uprising in Berlin. The Weimar democratic government was unstable, and its economy was in shambles.

In their struggle against socialists and communists, the fascists and other right-wing groups exploited the fact that some prominent communists were Jewish as they harnessed and emphasized anti-semitism for their cause. Longstanding false links between Jews and Communism were advertised to underscore reoccurring anti-semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish global domination.

Sound familiar?

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Mar 28, 2022 04:29:11   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Obsessive anti-Jewish hatred, and the demonization of Israel, a.k.a., rabid anti-Semitism is something against which all people with an intact conscience need to firmly stand, whether here on OPP, or anywhere else in the world.

I applaud kemmer for opposing such insidious behavior, rather than ignoring it... and for saying so openly without resorting to the use of cult-like buzzwords: "change agents" - "deceivers" - "ZOG" as anti-Semites themselves do.

ZOG is a white supremacist acronym for "Zionist Occupied Government," which reflects the common white supremacist belief that the U.S. government is controlled by Jews... words that are intended to create suspicion, if not downright hatred, and always with the intent to divide. This has resulted in white supremacist slogans such as "Smash ZOG," "Kill ZOG, or "Death to ZOG."

INSIDIOUS (adjective):

1) Working or spreading harmfully in a subtle or stealthy manner.
2) Intended to entrap; treacherous.
3) Beguiling but harmful; alluring.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

It isn't kemmer who is spreading the disinformation by which Jews have been presented throughout history as the scourge of humanity, which is commonly expressed in terms of threats to religion, science, power, dominant ethnic groups, nation-states, and currently, as threats to "human rights and racial justice."

With the advent of social media, these ancient, 'viral' conspiracy themes are able to spread on the internet more quickly, and with less effort, than at any previous point in history.

Studies on anti-Semitism show how the hatred is largely expressed by using code words rather than explicitly mentioning the Jewish people: Rather than writing about the Jews as a whole, online anti-Semites target well known individuals like George Soros or the Rothschild family; place three parentheses around names of people who are Jewish or, ostensibly, controlled by "devious Jews;" or apply age-old Jewish smears such as the matzah blood libel to the entire State of Israel.

Anti-Semitic tropes have become a common animating feature among online, prejudiced, hatred filled extremist activists who tend to peak during tense moments, as at present in the United States - created by wars and rumors of war.

whole2th wrote:
Must be hitting close to home as you've completely lost any logical approach to rebuttals.

Maybe Hitler was on to something. I know I am.

kemmer's consistent prevarication would seem to support the idea that Hitler was on to something big involving evil Jews--and we just had a kemmer post which distinguished "evil jews" from good Jews.

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Mar 28, 2022 06:47:34   #
whole2th
 
Zemirah wrote:
Obsessive anti-Jewish hatred, and the demonization of Israel, a.k.a., rabid anti-Semitism is something against which all people with an intact conscience need to firmly stand, whether here on OPP, or anywhere else in the world.

I applaud kemmer for opposing such insidious behavior, rather than ignoring it... and for saying so openly without resorting to the use of cult-like buzzwords: "change agents" - "deceivers" - "ZOG" as anti-Semites themselves do.


kemmer himself distinguished "evil Jews" as do I. I do not condone criticism of ALL Jews.

That you persist in alleging I have "anti-Jewish hatred" rather than engage the content of my posts indicates a straw-man effort to keep a sweeping rejection as your only strategy of rebuttal.

Not all Jews are Zionists. In fact, I know a number of Jews who oppose Zionism--as do I.

Lip service is paid to "America First", when you and I know full well the policies are "Israel First".

The cult-like "anti-Semitism" trope is getting old and many recognize the tactic as cover for the criminality.

The Amy Goodman exposé of how the "anti-Semitism" label is applied is the perfect example. Amy Goodman's guest (DEMOCRACY NOW!) explained "anti-Semitism" forthrightly and truthfully.

https://youtu.be/OXO4gyBSqq8?t=228

When you come to be honest about how "anti-Semitism" is over-used and inappropriate, get back to us.

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Mar 28, 2022 09:14:26   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Zemirah wrote:
Whole2th is suffering from Classic Nazi Racial Ideology.

Hitler was obsessed with race long before becoming Chancellor of Germany. His speeches and writings spread his belief that the world was engaged in an endless racial struggle. White Nordic people topped the racial hierarchy; Slavs, Blacks, and Arabs were lower, and Jews, who were believed to be an existential threat to the “Aryan Master race,” were at the very bottom.

When the Nazis came to power, these beliefs became government ideology and were spread publicly in posters, radio, movies, classrooms and newspapers. They also served as a basis for a campaign to reorder German society, first through the exclusion of Jews from public life, then the murder of disabled Germans as well as Slavs and, ultimately, the effort to exterminate European Jewry.

“Alien,” “Parasite,” “Degenerate” In order to make Jewish persecution publicly palatable, Nazi propagandists attempted to dehumanize Jews by branding them as a biological threat to Germany. Government-sponsored racist propaganda was widely distributed denouncing Jews as “alien,” and “parasitic,” and responsible for Germany’s cultural, political, and economic “degeneration.”

These words had an enormous effect, creating an environment in which persecution and violence were acceptable. Students burned books by Jewish authors on pyres and purged works of art and music by Jews and others considered “un-German.” Much worse, Jews became less human in German eyes, and less worthy of society’s protection.

“Jewish Communists” was another term used by Nazi fascists as they sought to destroy the legitimacy of Germany's Jewish citizens, and turn them into contemptible "enemies of the state" in the eyes of their countrymen.

In the 1920s and 1930s, Nazis were, in part, defined by their opposition to communism as they treated them as competitors in their own struggle to control the mind of the public. After the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, Germany seemed vulnerable to the spread of communism, particularly after a communist uprising in Berlin. The Weimar democratic government was unstable, and its economy was in shambles.

In their struggle against socialists and communists, the fascists and other right-wing groups exploited the fact that some prominent communists were Jewish as they harnessed and emphasized anti-semitism for their cause. Longstanding false links between Jews and Communism were advertised to underscore reoccurring anti-semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish global domination.

Sound familiar?
Whole2th is suffering from Classic Nazi Racial Ide... (show quote)


"In their struggle against socialists and communists, the fascists and other right-wing groups exploited the fact that some prominent communists were Jewish as they harnessed and emphasized anti-semitism for their cause. Longstanding false links between Jews and Communism were advertised to underscore reoccurring anti-semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish global domination.

Sound familiar?"
Yep
Throughout the many centuries, "Jews" (money changers/bankers,etc) were thrown out of countries for being parasites on their hosts.

BTW; They are not Semitic, So anti-Semitisism is another mis-used claim.

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Mar 28, 2022 09:24:41   #
whole2th
 
Zemirah wrote:
Amy Goodman, as she never tires telling audiences, is “a Jewish American, the granddaughter of an Orthodox rabbi and the great-granddaughter of a chassidic rabbi.” She is also a promoter of anti-Semites and anti-Zionists of nearly every stripe, as well as a ubiquitous speaker at both anti-U.S.rallies and anti-Israel rallies.

Goodman hosted lawyer Lynne Stewart on “Democracy Now” the day after Stewart’s conviction on charges of assisting the efforts of Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman — known colloquially as the "Blind Sheikh"— an influential figure for al-Qaeda terrorists, known for issuing fatwas (religious rulings) calling for acts of terrorism. Abdel-Rahman was himself implicated in plotting and conspiring to carry out various acts of terror.

Goodman was also the featured speaker at an April 2003 fund-raising event for Stewart’s legal defense, doing all she could to assist a woman convicted of helping a terrorist whose life is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

Professor Noam Chomsky, one of the most virulent Israel-bashers in America and a friend of Holocaust deniers everywhere, is a close friend of Amy’s. His oracular proclamations are heard frequently on her program. Goodman has described for her listeners the many late night calls in search of guidance she makes to Chomsky, who recently declared that those who speak of anti-Semitism are doing so solely to try to help “a community with 98 percent control gain 100 percent control.”

Professor Norman Finkelstein, best known for his portrayal of Jewish Holocaust remembrance as a rude racket designed to extract a range of goods from the gullible, has called Amy “my very dear and close friend.” It was on Goodman’s show that he repeatedly characterized the large pro-Israel rally held in Washington in 2002 as a “Jewish Nuremberg rally.” His words drew not so much as a peep of protest from Amy Goodman.

She is an advocate for a very specific, very particular brand of activist journalism — one that views enemies of America as friends and enemies of Israel as the most beloved friends of all.
Amy Goodman, as she never tires telling audiences,... (show quote)


That is not my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in face-to-face conversation with Amy Goodman.

I think you misrepresent her positions.

As you rely upon tired tropes, I'm surprised you've not referred to her as a "self-hating Jew".

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Mar 28, 2022 11:14:49   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Resistance is futile Ukraine is being liberated from third party agitators and warmongers. Nothing is going to stop which is already pre ordained. The vast majority of fellow Slavs in Ukraine will be glad of the liberation from the invading Washington instigated overlords of chaos. Ukraine now has the worst economy in Europe thanks to the West trying to destroy it. Back with it's kin in Russia they'll become a powerhouse of innovation again. Just seen the Ukranian Army on RT giving up en masse. In fact the vast majority of the Ukraine Army don't want to fight their fellow brothers. The Washington funded NAZI scum might take some more persuading though as they'll be hard up for war crimes.
Resistance is futile Ukraine is being liberated fr... (show quote)


I am amazed that any American can actually support the illegal and criminal Russian invasion of a peaceful and independent country, with no provocative move on the part of Ukraine. This invasion is the worst threat to our international system, since WWII. I don't know why you think that the majority of Slavs support this genocidal war. Certainly the Ukrainians, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, and all other peoples in Eastern Europe condemn Russia.
I am also amazed at the incredible courage and determination of the Ukrainian people to fight against the Russian army. I don't believe I have seen such bravery since the original Arab- Israeli war, on the part of Israel.
I think we should not only allow on Ukraine to join NATO, we should insist on it. They have proven that they need it and certainly would be an important addition to block Russian expansion into Europe!
One of the biggest lies is that the Ukrainians are nazis. They have a Jewish President, and a democracy. That doesn't sounds like any kind of nazi I ever heard of.

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Mar 28, 2022 11:21:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I am amazed that any American can actually support the illegal and criminal Russian invasion of a peaceful and independent country. This invasion is the worst threat to our international system, since WWII. I don't know why you think that the majority of Slavs support this genocidal war. Certainly the Ukrainians, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, and all other peoples in Eastern Europe condemn Russia.
I am also amazed at the incredible courage and determination of the Ukrainian people to fight against the Russian army. I don't believe I have seen such bravery since the original Arab- Israeli war, on the part of Israel.
I think we should not only allow on Ukraine to join NATO, we should insist on it. They have proven that they need it and certainly would be an important addition to block Russian expansion into Europe!
One of the biggest lies is that the Ukrainians are nazis. They have a Jewish President, and a democracy. That doesn't sounds like any kind of nazi I ever heard of.
I am amazed that any American can actually support... (show quote)


That's because you're wilfully ignorant...



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Mar 28, 2022 11:33:57   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Weasel wrote:
I can stay right here with you and witness Biden & Company as they destroy the freedom of the United States. As they open wide our Southern Border. And as they make our daily necessities unaffordable to put in our shopping carts.


Weasel, How do you believe the migration of people into our country threatens us? America has always welcomed immigration. You should read the poem on the Statue of Liberty. Send these the homeless ..... your huddled masses yearning to breath free. I guess you never lifted your lamp beside the golden door.
We need to look at the welcome that Eastern Europeans are giving millions of Ukrainians that are trying to get out of Ukraine.

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Mar 28, 2022 11:35:34   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That's because you're wilfully ignorant...


I find this conflict very confusing.
Who is who and why.

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Mar 28, 2022 11:37:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Weasel, How do you believe the migration of people into our country threatens us? America has always welcomed immigration. You should read the poem on the Statue of Liberty. Send these the homeless ..... your huddled masses yearning to breath free. I guess you never lifted your lamp beside the golden door.
We need to look at the welcome that Eastern Europeans are giving millions of Ukrainians that are trying to get out of Ukraine.


Legal and controled imigration is what Americans expects from our government.
Not an allowed invasion.
We can't economically support an invasion of the world.

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Mar 28, 2022 11:41:55   #
kemmer
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That's because you're wilfully ignorant...

So you're thinking that the ADL endorses Ukraine's neoNazis because they haven't (yet) attacked Jews or Jewish institutions? Quite a stretch.

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Mar 28, 2022 15:46:34   #
whole2th
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I am amazed that any American can actually support the illegal and criminal Russian invasion of a peaceful and independent country, with no provocative move on the part of Ukraine. This invasion is the worst threat to our international system, since WWII. I don't know why you think that the majority of Slavs support this genocidal war. Certainly the Ukrainians, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, and all other peoples in Eastern Europe condemn Russia.
I am also amazed at the incredible courage and determination of the Ukrainian people to fight against the Russian army. I don't believe I have seen such bravery since the original Arab- Israeli war, on the part of Israel.
I think we should not only allow on Ukraine to join NATO, we should insist on it. They have proven that they need it and certainly would be an important addition to block Russian expansion into Europe!
One of the biggest lies is that the Ukrainians are nazis. They have a Jewish President, and a democracy. That doesn't sounds like any kind of nazi I ever heard of.
I am amazed that any American can actually support... (show quote)


“Peaceful”—Since 2015, Ukraine has shelled the Donbas region with a tally of deaths numbering 15,000

“Independent”—The regime in Ukraine was installed by CIA, US State Department by a ‘putsch’ process of violence and is a puppet regime headed presently by a comedian/actor of questionable moral character.

“Democracy”—just in the past week, Zelensky made it illegal to participate in TEN political groups that oppose the Zelensky dictatorship.

So, in the above matters, saltwind78 does not have a grip on—nor care about—what is true about Ukraine.

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Mar 28, 2022 15:54:57   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
whole2th wrote:
kemmer himself distinguished "evil Jews" as do I. I do not condone criticism of ALL Jews.

That you persist in alleging I have "anti-Jewish hatred" rather than engage the content of my posts indicates a straw-man effort to keep a sweeping rejection as your only strategy of rebuttal.

Not all Jews are Zionists. In fact, I know a number of Jews who oppose Zionism--as do I.

Lip service is paid to "America First", when you and I know full well the policies are "Israel First".

The cult-like "anti-Semitism" trope is getting old and many recognize the tactic as cover for the criminality.

The Amy Goodman exposé of how the "anti-Semitism" label is applied is the perfect example. Amy Goodman's guest (DEMOCRACY NOW!) explained "anti-Semitism" forthrightly and truthfully.

https://youtu.be/OXO4gyBSqq8?t=228

When you come to be honest about how "anti-Semitism" is over-used and inappropriate, get back to us.
kemmer himself distinguished "evil Jews"... (show quote)


Yep!
"The Amy Goodman exposé of how the "anti-Semitism" label is applied is the perfect example. Amy Goodman's guest (DEMOCRACY NOW!) explained "anti-Semitism" forthrightly and truthfully.

https://youtu.be/OXO4gyBSqq8?t=228

When you come to be honest about how "anti-Semitism" is over-used and inappropriate, get back to us"

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Mar 28, 2022 16:28:55   #
kemmer
 
whole2th wrote:


“Independent”—The regime in Ukraine was installed by CIA, US State Department by a ‘putsch’ process of violence and is a puppet regime headed presently by a comedian/actor of questionable moral character.

The people love Zelensky, who replaced a wildly corrupt Russian puppet whom they chased back to Moscow.

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Mar 28, 2022 17:33:37   #
whole2th
 
kemmer wrote:
The people love Zelensky, who replaced a wildly corrupt Russian puppet whom they chased back to Moscow.


BS—as usual for Kemerovo.


https://www.bitchute.com/video/2pfUMeOqqd1x/

Ukraine violates Geneva convention in their brutal inhumane treatment of captured Russian soldiers.

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