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Nov 23, 2021 09:23:01   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Those are some good examples.


Some of us don't have your advantages of mind-reading, a crystal ball, and time to day dream up facts. So we do our poor best by watching various news sites and actually paying attention.

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Nov 23, 2021 09:24:16   #
American Vet
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
The constitution is a living document, made for the give and take of the existing society, which changes all the time, year by year and our amendments embrace these changes. For example, allowing people of color to vote, followed by allowing women to vote, amazing stuff, right? Our Constitution is not the Ten Commandments written in stone. Apparently, I don't think you don't fully understand the Constitution or you would understand this concept. You're actually complaining we don't use silver and gold as currency anymore, lol, in todays day currency value, that would make for very have pockets. LOL
The constitution is a living document, made for th... (show quote)


"I don't think you don't fully understand the Constitution"

And another example.

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Nov 23, 2021 09:26:07   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
moldyoldy wrote:
He killed two people and maimed another. No evidence of rioting or looting. He had no reason to be there. Why can a white boy walk around with a rifle in front of the police and never be questioned even after people are yelling he just shot someone? Why didn’t he stay where he was supposed to be? He wanted some action, he wanted to shoot someone. His true colors will show up just like Zimmerman, expect more trouble from him.


Just because you think something or some leftist dummy implants something in your ear, doesn't make it true.

Wonder why "ALL" these rioters, looters, assaulters aren't in jail awaiting trial. Notice race isn't mentioned.

VIDEO: Mob of 80 armed looters block off streets, ransack California Nordstrom in brazen siege:
Approximately 80 thieves wearing ski masks stormed the Nordstrom store in Walnut Creek, California around 9pm Saturday night
Witnesses say the large group raided the Bay Area store in under a minute
Two employees were attacked by looters who punched and kicked them while another was pepper sprayed
All three were treated for their injuries on scene
At least three suspects were arrested in connection to the raid, with one even taken into custody at gunpoint
Police say the raid is not connected to the string of nationwide riots that took place over the weekend in wake of the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict

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Nov 23, 2021 09:27:58   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Most Americans do believe in the constitution and the bill of rights. Patriotism is not the exclusive domain of any one political party.


If I told my wife, “l love you, but there are some fundamental things about you that must change.” How sincere would my wife think I was being?

If what you say is true, those who love the constitution better open their eyes pretty quickly to the open agenda of the progressive left.

“Progressivism seeks to replace the founding principles with a new set of doctrines based on the tenets of social justice — a system which elevate the rights of “protected classes” (non-whites, LGBTQ, women, etc.) by subordinating  the rest of society.  This so-called “just society” is not the kinder, gentler America that Progressives promise, but a dystopia where the rights of the many are trampled, dissenters are punished, and government has nearly unlimited power and scope.  The examples that follow are selected from my recent eBook, The War on America’s Founding Principles: How Progressives Are Dismantling America One Plank at a Time.” https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/12/how-progressives-are-dismantling-americas-foundation/

“The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.” -George Soros

“It is sort of a disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -George Soros

“The sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.” -George Soros

What you love, you cherish, nurture and protect. What you dishonor, and dislike, that is what you seek to fundamentally transform.

Do you think progressive leftists love America? Or something else?

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Nov 23, 2021 10:00:24   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
The constitution is a living document, made for the give and take of the existing society, which changes all the time, year by year and our amendments embrace these changes. For example, allowing people of color to vote, followed by allowing women to vote, amazing stuff, right? Our Constitution is not the Ten Commandments written in stone. Apparently, I don't think you don't fully understand the Constitution or you would understand this concept. You're actually complaining we don't use silver and gold as currency anymore, lol, in todays day currency value, that would make for very have pockets. LOL
The constitution is a living document, made for th... (show quote)


This is such an ignorant statement, it is not worth responding to. Try again, get facts straight and statements clear, and perhaps I'll be disposed to reply.

Here, let me give you some examples:
"I don't think you don't fully understand the Constitution" this is a double negative. So you just literally said, "I think you understand the constitution". Thank you. I take that as a compliment, but it doesn't square with your sentiments.

Another one: "You're actually complaining we don't use silver and gold as currency anymore..." where did I say that? Do you understand the difference between "gold standard" that I do believe in and "currency" that you are arguing against? When all you have are straw man arguments, your whole position is neutralized by your own words. And don't tell me "you know what I mean". No, I don't know what you mean if you can't articulate yourself well enough to explain what you mean.

And that is why I say your post is not worth responding to.

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Nov 23, 2021 10:04:25   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
All anarchy and vigilantism has to stop. Too many are innocent who are being hurt by it. Pray for peace


The problem is it is not being stopped.. Witness Oregon again with their riots all over again… Or New York, Chicago, and on e again the lack of initiative taken by the politicians to secure the property and make it safe.. With the defunding police going on and the limited forces because of it the issue will not diminish it will increase.

Personally I agree with you but reality tells us otherwise. A pathetic shame it has come to this… Law and order is quickly being disintegrated.

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Nov 23, 2021 10:10:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Obviously you don’t get any real news.


Well then how about this?? Is this misinformation??? Or not real news??

<snip>
It's disgusting and disturbing that someone was able to carry a loaded assault rifle into a protest against the unjust killing of Jacob Blake, an unarmed Black man, and take the lives of two people and injure another — and face absolutely no consequences," read the statement from DCCC Chairman Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.).

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"It is clear that our legal system has one set of rules for some Americans, and very different standards for others," the statement continued. "People are right to be outraged, and they are right to be outraged at the violence that disproportionately hurts people of color and the legal system that fails to hold the violence accountable."

Maloney's statement fell short of numerous easily verifiable facts and many on social media rushed to point them out.

"FFS, DCCC, get the underlying facts right! (Jacob Blake was shot and wounded in his car; he is still alive (albeit paralyzed)," replied columnist Rob George.

"The DCCC chairman's statement today says that Jacob Blake was 1) unarmed and 2) killed, neither of which is true. This is sensitive stuff and folks are stomping around like drunk elephants," tweeted reporter Dave Weigel.

"The @DCCC continues their streak of being the most incompetent organization in Washington," mocked the account for the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Others pointed out the dubious classification of an AR-15 rifle as an "assault rife" by the DCCC.

The DCCC later released a corrected version of their statement that edited out "unjust killing" and also deleted the "unarmed" portion.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/dccc-rittenhouse-verdict-jacob-blake

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Nov 23, 2021 10:10:55   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
SGM B wrote:
You asked “libs”, none have replied as yet. I was sure I would see a response from Kevvi, or Kemmer, or DASHY or at least one of our resident leftist. Interesting, hmmm…


Above there knowledge

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Nov 23, 2021 10:14:44   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well then how about this?? Is this misinformation??? Or not real news??

<snip>
It's disgusting and disturbing that someone was able to carry a loaded assault rifle into a protest against the unjust killing of Jacob Blake, an unarmed Black man, and take the lives of two people and injure another — and face absolutely no consequences," read the statement from DCCC Chairman Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.).

Don't miss out on content from Dave Rubin free of big tech censorship. Listen to The Rubin Report now.
"It is clear that our legal system has one set of rules for some Americans, and very different standards for others," the statement continued. "People are right to be outraged, and they are right to be outraged at the violence that disproportionately hurts people of color and the legal system that fails to hold the violence accountable."

Maloney's statement fell short of numerous easily verifiable facts and many on social media rushed to point them out.

"FFS, DCCC, get the underlying facts right! (Jacob Blake was shot and wounded in his car; he is still alive (albeit paralyzed)," replied columnist Rob George.

"The DCCC chairman's statement today says that Jacob Blake was 1) unarmed and 2) killed, neither of which is true. This is sensitive stuff and folks are stomping around like drunk elephants," tweeted reporter Dave Weigel.

"The @DCCC continues their streak of being the most incompetent organization in Washington," mocked the account for the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Others pointed out the dubious classification of an AR-15 rifle as an "assault rife" by the DCCC.

The DCCC later released a corrected version of their statement that edited out "unjust killing" and also deleted the "unarmed" portion.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/dccc-rittenhouse-verdict-jacob-blake
Well then how about this?? Is this misinformation?... (show quote)



Some drunk elephant should stomp. On some of the brainless people!!!!!!

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Nov 23, 2021 10:19:29   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
TommyRadd wrote:
This is such an ignorant statement, it is not worth responding to. Try again, get facts straight and statements clear, and perhaps I'll be disposed to reply.

Here, let me give you some examples:
"I don't think you don't fully understand the Constitution" this is a double negative. So you just literally said, "I think you understand the constitution". Thank you. I take that as a compliment, but it doesn't square with your sentiments.

Another one: "You're actually complaining we don't use silver and gold as currency anymore..." where did I say that? Do you understand the difference between "gold standard" that I do believe in and "currency" that you are arguing against? When all you have are straw man arguments, your whole position is neutralized by your own words. And don't tell me "you know what I mean". No, I don't know what you mean if you can't articulate yourself well enough to explain what you mean.

And that is why I say your post is not worth responding to.
This is such an ignorant statement, it is not wort... (show quote)


Do you mind if I take a swing at it? Just one, I promise.

Cuda,
The Constitution is designed to be adaptable, as you pointed out. What you avoided mentioning, of course, is the civil rights amendments you named were passed mainly by Republicans, but that's another issue. Words mean things, correct? What we conservatives deny is that the Constitution is "living and breathing" which is what the left claims. We deny it because what the left means is Constitution can be molded and shaped by the legislature, or at worst, by the judiciary. You can't have that. You already reinterpret what the Constitution says at the drop of a hat, when you can get by with it. Too far already, and absolutely no further.
You want to change or adapt or reinterpret the Constitution? Have at it. But use the Amendment process.

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Nov 23, 2021 10:20:57   #
American Vet
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Do you mind if I take a swing at it? Just one, I promise.

Cuda,
The Constitution is designed to be adaptable, as you pointed out. What you avoided mentioning, of course, is the civil rights amendments you named were passed mainly by Republicans, but that's another issue. Words mean things, correct? What we conservatives deny is that the Constitution is "living and breathing" which is what the left claims. We deny it because what the left means is Constitution can be molded and shaped by the legislature, or at worst, by the judiciary. You can't have that. You already reinterpret what the Constitution says at the drop of a hat, when you can get by with it. Too far already, and absolutely no further.
You want to change or adapt or reinterpret the Constitution? Have at it. But use the Amendment process.
Do you mind if I take a swing at it? Just one, I ... (show quote)



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Nov 23, 2021 10:23:06   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
TommyRadd wrote:
If I told my wife, “l love you, but there are some fundamental things about you that must change.” How sincere would my wife think I was being?

If what you say is true, those who love the constitution better open their eyes pretty quickly to the open agenda of the progressive left.

“Progressivism seeks to replace the founding principles with a new set of doctrines based on the tenets of social justice — a system which elevate the rights of “protected classes” (non-whites, LGBTQ, women, etc.) by subordinating  the rest of society.  This so-called “just society” is not the kinder, gentler America that Progressives promise, but a dystopia where the rights of the many are trampled, dissenters are punished, and government has nearly unlimited power and scope.  The examples that follow are selected from my recent eBook, The War on America’s Founding Principles: How Progressives Are Dismantling America One Plank at a Time.” https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/12/how-progressives-are-dismantling-americas-foundation/

“The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.” -George Soros

“It is sort of a disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -George Soros

“The sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.” -George Soros

What you love, you cherish, nurture and protect. What you dishonor, and dislike, that is what you seek to fundamentally transform.

Do you think progressive leftists love America? Or something else?
If I told my wife, “l love you, but there are some... (show quote)


You use progressive and leftist as dirty labels. Progress means raising the minimum wage providing health coverage to all citizens community college free to eligible students. It's nothing radical and they do love America and Americans. I consider myself to be a moderate but I am for those things that the rest of the developed world has.

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Nov 23, 2021 10:38:24   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Do you mind if I take a swing at it? Just one, I promise.

Cuda,
The Constitution is designed to be adaptable, as you pointed out. What you avoided mentioning, of course, is the civil rights amendments you named were passed mainly by Republicans, but that's another issue. Words mean things, correct? What we conservatives deny is that the Constitution is "living and breathing" which is what the left claims. We deny it because what the left means is Constitution can be molded and shaped by the legislature, or at worst, by the judiciary. You can't have that. You already reinterpret what the Constitution says at the drop of a hat, when you can get by with it. Too far already, and absolutely no further.
You want to change or adapt or reinterpret the Constitution? Have at it. But use the Amendment process.
Do you mind if I take a swing at it? Just one, I ... (show quote)


by all means, yes! as many as you'd like!

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Nov 23, 2021 12:09:12   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
You use progressive and leftist as dirty labels. Progress means raising the minimum wage providing health coverage to all citizens community college free to eligible students. It's nothing radical and they do love America and Americans. I consider myself to be a moderate but I am for those things that the rest of the developed world has.


The word "progress" and "progressive" are typically used in relation to a goal or direction., isn't that right? I've provided quotes in this thread showing that many on the political left consider moving away from the constitution and towards Marxism to be "progress", and those quotes I've provided are meant to provide the "context" in which I use those terms... that they use for themselves. I consider the purposeful movement toward Marxism to very much be the opposite of "progress".

If those who call themselves "Progressives" and "Leftists" are involved in what I consider "dirty" causes, then don't I have the right of free speech to speak my mind? I believe I do. At least, I do until political leftists get involved in limiting free speech under the guise of "political correctness" which means "toe their party line or shut up".

"Fundamentally transforming" the USA, using the Marxist Saul Alinsky's tactics, away from the constitution and its bill of rights and amendments is way different than whether certain social programs such as you've listed are acceptable. Hopefully you can see that the scope of these Marxists is way beyond what you are saying you support.

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Nov 23, 2021 13:33:32   #
Cuda2020
 
American Vet wrote:
"I don't think you don't fully understand the Constitution"

And another example.


Do you understand he word AMEND? Let me give you a hand here.
a·mend
/əˈmend/
verb

1.
make minor changes in (a text) in order to make it fairer, more accurate, or more up-to-date:

Now, there are 33 amendments since the ratifications of 1789, 27 being approved, the first 10 were adopted and ratified and are referred to as our Bill of Rights. It is a living document.

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