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Sour smell of success: A President under attack for doing what he was elected to do
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Nov 14, 2021 13:29:30   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
permafrost wrote:
And of course you think that the carnage of 4 years should be repaired in 10 months or less.. It is a difficult job and with the road blocks in place and renewed we are looking at a difficult job.. but as we always have done, we will succeed and repair the mess..


So………the Excuses have begun!

What excuse will you use this time next year when it is much worse? LOL! You will have to stop blaming the orange man at some point! 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Nov 14, 2021 13:33:08   #
trashbaum
 
permafrost wrote:
First I will point out, as you clearly have no clue, the fiscal year is now 2 month old. so for the first time we will see some of Biden policy in effect.. Are you one of those crying about tax increase and curse Biden for it? not a chance, President Joe Biden has had zero effect on taxes to this point.. the trump tax of 2017 however has now begun to pull money from the middle and working class to pay for the mountain of money to the RB and trump family.. enjoy..

Also, I imagine you right wingers all loved the trade deals, the one for which we had to pay farmers 28 billion $$ most to the rich corporate tax shelter farmers.. had to dear to your hearts..

trump forced the treasury/FED to keep interest rates near all time lows in order to keep the stock market high. now that major tool for fighting and recession which may become a reality is no longer an option...

NATO was nearly neutralized , much to Putins delight, also Putin was given highway access to the Mediterranean sea and ports, Putin is also now the big dog in the ME due to the pullout of Syria and the northern part of the ME.. the bases and facilities which we the taxpayers paid for are now used and enjoyed by Russian troops , while our troops guard SA oil wells.. bet that is more of you liking..

And you are so very concerned about the national debt.. why that rotten Obama, dealing with 2 wars and massive tax cuts ran up that debt to record highs, with reduced tax revenue, he had no choice.. now you insist Biden is facing such crisis he must raise taxes..

While trump to your delight, faced no crisis , nothing extraordinary,, yet he still raised the National Debt by nearly 8 trillion dollars.. for what??? nothing at all.. he ran things for this country just as he did for his brock businesses.. run up the debt, get nothing in return.. and you people are still celebrating that fact .

As well you are sending him over 100 million $$ a year to keep him from ????? what indeed are you sending him the money.. those sums add up to real money in a few years.. what is it you want him to do with it...

tell me what!!!!
First I will point out, as you clearly have no clu... (show quote)


Too bad Frosty but you simply don't know where you are?

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Nov 14, 2021 13:34:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
rumitoid wrote:
Examiner Enterprise
Jeff Robbins
Thu, November 11, 2021, 4:00 AM

For a guy who seems to be doing exactly what he was elected to do, President Joe Biden finds himself under bitter attack. Most of the attacks are from people who simply want him to fail, but as last week's poor performance by Democratic candidates showed, not all of them are. The president's approval ratings are curiously low inasmuch as, since taking office, his administration has substantially lifted the country out of the ditch it was in on Inauguration Day.

On Friday morning, the Department of Labor reported that the economy had added 531,000 jobs in October, bringing the number of jobs created during the first nine months of the Biden administration to 5.6 million. The unemployment rate, which had been 6.3% in January 2021, is now down to 4.6%. Biden's American Rescue Plan, enacted in March, kept America afloat while his team pushed, pressed and prodded Americans to get vaccinated against the virus that has killed 775,000 Americans and severely damaged our economy. Despite the sneering and disinformation from the predictable quarters, the number of Americans who are fully vaccinated is fast approaching 200 million.

Late Friday, Congress passed Biden's $1 trillion infrastructure package, a long-overdue public works program that is the largest of its kind since the Eisenhower presidency. It will likely soon be followed by a massive, historic bill that will address the dire need for clean energy, provide for universal preschool and expand efforts to combat child poverty.

You wouldn't know this by listening to the thunder on the Right, which has produced the customary inanity.

Folks who demand that the government dictate that women must give birth against their wills denounce policies requiring COVID-19 vaccinations, invoking a heretofore unrecognized constitutional right to infect others with a deadly, incurable disease. Those born too late to sue George Washington to block him from ordering his troops to be inoculated against smallpox are trying to make up for it: Despite a long history of requiring Americans to be immunized before participating in certain activities, these newcomers to civil rights causes maintain that requiring Americans to protect their fellow Americans from a lethal virus is un-American.

Over in the Senate, noted civil libertarian Ted Cruz, positioning himself to capture the Third Reich revivalist wing of the 2024 Republican presidential primary vote, lectured Attorney General Merrick Garland that it is everyone's God-given constitutional right to give the Nazi salute at school board meetings.

Then there are the cries that the president is to blame for disruptions in the global supply chain. These cries are mindless, but no matter: mindlessness in defense of the conning of people is no vice. The factories that manufacture many of our products are located in countries that have been particularly hard-hit by the pandemic, and many have been shuttered or limited in their output.

Shipping containers have been scarce. Blaming this on Biden is preposterous, but not any more preposterous than blaming it on Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, who had the nerve to take a short period of time away from the office to look after his newborn twins. Fox News personality Tucker Carlson, always good for sixth-grade-level wit, did not disappoint, mocking Buttigieg, who adopted the twins with his husband Chasten, for being gay. "Paternity leave, they call it?" Carlson smirked. "Trying to figure out how to breastfeed. No word on how that went." Meanwhile, one of those infants just returned home after three weeks of urgent medical treatment, including time on a ventilator. No word on whether Carlson felt a moment's remorse for his stupidity, or even grasped it.

The snarkiness has not been from the Right alone. "Many who were sick of Trump chaos and ineptitude are now sick of Biden chaos and ineptitude," grumped New York Times snarkmeister Maureen Dowd shortly before Friday's jobs report and passage of Biden's infrastructure bill. But if what has been achieved since Biden took office qualifies as chaos and ineptitude, here's to more of it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sour-smell-success-president-under-110047862.html
Examiner Enterprise br Jeff Robbins br Thu, Novemb... (show quote)


The first year of any president's term is ALWAYS characterized by the resonance of the previous president. I tried explaining this to deplorables who credited Trump for the booming economy in 2017 just two weeks after he took office. According to their descriptions, Trump took the economy from total bust to total boom in just 2 weeks... LOL. Of course they would come unglued at the slightest suggestion that the economic boom in 2017 came from the momentum of the Obama Administration.

The same thing is happening now, only instead of a booming economy created by the Obama Administration, it's the chaos and dysfunction created by the Trump Administration that underlies almost every challenge Biden is dealing with.

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Nov 14, 2021 13:46:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
You are arguing that your boy Joe is not responsible for the economy up until 2 months ago. Very similar to your side arguing that since Donald J. Trump negotiated with the Taliban, that he and not your boy Joe was at fault for the Afghanistan disaster. When something goes right you guys did it. When anything goes wrong it is the other guy's fault.

But okay lets us examine your argument. So not a thing that President Biden did until two months ago had a thing good or bad to do with the economy, only Donald J. Trump's policies mattered until then ? If that had any truth to it, then it would not make sense say aaaaa back last May for President Joe Biden to defend his policies, right ? Because of course everything occurring in those early months was all because of my boy Trump.

Yet President Biden felt compelled at the end of May 2021 to defend his policies against criticism that his policies were overheating the economy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/27/biden-says-rising-wages-are-a-sign-his-economic-agenda-is-working-.html

So I am not saying this shows good or bad. What I am saying is that because President Biden was defending his policies and their effects on the economy back in May, this shows him taking responsibility for the economy then. This makes your argument false.
You are arguing that your boy Joe is not responsib... (show quote)


Pointing out only the reality of the fiscal year and its term..

This affects little but the budget.. so if you have other bitch and whining.. be free to point them out.. I think I have heard it all, and may agree with some of it.. but you could surprise me.. you do seem smarter then the average bear and do your homework..

It is a good thing to have a president who takes responsibility for actions.. however the laws are clear, the fiscal year runs from Sept to Sept.. so the first month of each administration the budget is the result of the last administration.. just the way it is..

And understand, we are past Sept.. so now you have full right to rant about Biden and/or the budget..

as for the words of Biden in May, do not have the quote, but expect it was projecting on the affect of the 2 enormous bills for infrastructure and for social action..

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Nov 14, 2021 13:49:37   #
trashbaum
 
TexaCan wrote:
So………the Excuses have begun!

What excuse will you use this time next year when it is much worse? LOL! You will have to stop blaming the orange man at some point! 🤷🏻‍♀️


frosty will always have someone to blame, just like the rest of his party.

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Nov 14, 2021 13:50:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
TexaCan wrote:
So………the Excuses have begun!

What excuse will you use this time next year when it is much worse? LOL! You will have to stop blaming the orange man at some point! 🤷🏻‍♀️


Not as long as he and his bunch are pushing for president... LOL

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Nov 14, 2021 13:56:51   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
permafrost wrote:
good morning G, nice you are holding up your end of the dim wits section

Be careful of your thoughtless BS, it is dribbling from your mouth and soiling your tea shirt..

did you know that the east coast of the US does have ports?? think hard on this..

Now you say container ships need pumping capacity.. yes, that is news..

As I have said, if they were willing to spend the money, the east coast could be an option for some of these ships..

You think the People in the North East are facing cold weather and they can not pay in advance or be prepared for the heating season.. did they ever have a cold winter in the past?

As a group you people rival a large rock for discussion points..
good morning G, nice you are holding up your end o... (show quote)

Actually, most of our consumer imports come from Asia not Europe, which may explain why most of the containers are coming onto West Coast ports. The Los Angeles/Long Beach ports are the largest in the nation when it comes to container ships.

One problem is that our ports AND the major transportation corridors in and out depend on government funding and Republicans have refused to invest in infrastructure for more than 30 years now, mostly because they don't want to spend the money on anything they can't personally profit from. Infrastructure and healthcare being two examples.

America has been living in denial for at least that long. When Republicans like Trump take office, they create all these distractions and no one notices the real problems. When Democrats like Biden take office, they deal with real problems and all of a sudden citizens are like... "What?"

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Nov 14, 2021 14:05:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
trashbaum wrote:
frosty will always have someone to blame, just like the rest of his party.


It's not difficult to understand why... As long as the Republicans keep screwing things up, there will always be things to blame them for.

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Nov 14, 2021 14:14:52   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
straightUp wrote:
It's not difficult to understand why... As long as the Republicans keep screwing things up, there will always be things to blame them for.


So life here in America would be all peaches and cream if Democrats had complete and total power since they never screw things up because they are all as pure as the driven snow !

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Nov 14, 2021 14:19:21   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
good morning G, nice you are holding up your end of the dim wits section

Be careful of your thoughtless BS, it is dribbling from your mouth and soiling your tea shirt..

did you know that the east coast of the US does have ports?? think hard on this..

Now you say container ships need pumping capacity.. yes, that is news..

As I have said, if they were willing to spend the money, the east coast could be an option for some of these ships..

You think the People in the North East are facing cold weather and they can not pay in advance or be prepared for the heating season.. did they ever have a cold winter in the past?

As a group you people rival a large rock for discussion points..
good morning G, nice you are holding up your end o... (show quote)


ELWNJ rant from a proven liar.

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Nov 14, 2021 14:20:28   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
First I will point out, as you clearly have no clue, the fiscal year is now 2 month old. so for the first time we will see some of Biden policy in effect.. Are you one of those crying about tax increase and curse Biden for it? not a chance, President Joe Biden has had zero effect on taxes to this point.. the trump tax of 2017 however has now begun to pull money from the middle and working class to pay for the mountain of money to the RB and trump family.. enjoy..

Also, I imagine you right wingers all loved the trade deals, the one for which we had to pay farmers 28 billion $$ most to the rich corporate tax shelter farmers.. had to dear to your hearts..

trump forced the treasury/FED to keep interest rates near all time lows in order to keep the stock market high. now that major tool for fighting and recession which may become a reality is no longer an option...

NATO was nearly neutralized , much to Putins delight, also Putin was given highway access to the Mediterranean sea and ports, Putin is also now the big dog in the ME due to the pullout of Syria and the northern part of the ME.. the bases and facilities which we the taxpayers paid for are now used and enjoyed by Russian troops , while our troops guard SA oil wells.. bet that is more of you liking..

And you are so very concerned about the national debt.. why that rotten Obama, dealing with 2 wars and massive tax cuts ran up that debt to record highs, with reduced tax revenue, he had no choice.. now you insist Biden is facing such crisis he must raise taxes..

While trump to your delight, faced no crisis , nothing extraordinary,, yet he still raised the National Debt by nearly 8 trillion dollars.. for what??? nothing at all.. he ran things for this country just as he did for his brock businesses.. run up the debt, get nothing in return.. and you people are still celebrating that fact .

As well you are sending him over 100 million $$ a year to keep him from ????? what indeed are you sending him the money.. those sums add up to real money in a few years.. what is it you want him to do with it...

tell me what!!!!
First I will point out, as you clearly have no clu... (show quote)


An another ELWNJ rant from a proven liar.

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Nov 14, 2021 14:29:34   #
trashbaum
 
permafrost wrote:
Not as long as he and his bunch are pushing for president... LOL


Don't be silly Frosty Trump will spend eight years as President even with your cheating demo partners.

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Nov 14, 2021 14:45:41   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
rumitoid wrote:
Examiner Enterprise
Jeff Robbins
Thu, November 11, 2021, 4:00 AM

For a guy who seems to be doing exactly what he was elected to do, President Joe Biden finds himself under bitter attack. Most of the attacks are from people who simply want him to fail, but as last week's poor performance by Democratic candidates showed, not all of them are. The president's approval ratings are curiously low inasmuch as, since taking office, his administration has substantially lifted the country out of the ditch it was in on Inauguration Day.

On Friday morning, the Department of Labor reported that the economy had added 531,000 jobs in October, bringing the number of jobs created during the first nine months of the Biden administration to 5.6 million. The unemployment rate, which had been 6.3% in January 2021, is now down to 4.6%. Biden's American Rescue Plan, enacted in March, kept America afloat while his team pushed, pressed and prodded Americans to get vaccinated against the virus that has killed 775,000 Americans and severely damaged our economy. Despite the sneering and disinformation from the predictable quarters, the number of Americans who are fully vaccinated is fast approaching 200 million.

Late Friday, Congress passed Biden's $1 trillion infrastructure package, a long-overdue public works program that is the largest of its kind since the Eisenhower presidency. It will likely soon be followed by a massive, historic bill that will address the dire need for clean energy, provide for universal preschool and expand efforts to combat child poverty.

You wouldn't know this by listening to the thunder on the Right, which has produced the customary inanity.

Folks who demand that the government dictate that women must give birth against their wills denounce policies requiring COVID-19 vaccinations, invoking a heretofore unrecognized constitutional right to infect others with a deadly, incurable disease. Those born too late to sue George Washington to block him from ordering his troops to be inoculated against smallpox are trying to make up for it: Despite a long history of requiring Americans to be immunized before participating in certain activities, these newcomers to civil rights causes maintain that requiring Americans to protect their fellow Americans from a lethal virus is un-American.

Over in the Senate, noted civil libertarian Ted Cruz, positioning himself to capture the Third Reich revivalist wing of the 2024 Republican presidential primary vote, lectured Attorney General Merrick Garland that it is everyone's God-given constitutional right to give the Nazi salute at school board meetings.

Then there are the cries that the president is to blame for disruptions in the global supply chain. These cries are mindless, but no matter: mindlessness in defense of the conning of people is no vice. The factories that manufacture many of our products are located in countries that have been particularly hard-hit by the pandemic, and many have been shuttered or limited in their output.

Shipping containers have been scarce. Blaming this on Biden is preposterous, but not any more preposterous than blaming it on Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, who had the nerve to take a short period of time away from the office to look after his newborn twins. Fox News personality Tucker Carlson, always good for sixth-grade-level wit, did not disappoint, mocking Buttigieg, who adopted the twins with his husband Chasten, for being gay. "Paternity leave, they call it?" Carlson smirked. "Trying to figure out how to breastfeed. No word on how that went." Meanwhile, one of those infants just returned home after three weeks of urgent medical treatment, including time on a ventilator. No word on whether Carlson felt a moment's remorse for his stupidity, or even grasped it.

The snarkiness has not been from the Right alone. "Many who were sick of Trump chaos and ineptitude are now sick of Biden chaos and ineptitude," grumped New York Times snarkmeister Maureen Dowd shortly before Friday's jobs report and passage of Biden's infrastructure bill. But if what has been achieved since Biden took office qualifies as chaos and ineptitude, here's to more of it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sour-smell-success-president-under-110047862.html
Examiner Enterprise br Jeff Robbins br Thu, Novemb... (show quote)



Well I never voted for him HELL he never told much at all what he was going to do ..a box of rocks ate smarter than him .he should be fired YES FIRED !!!! you like it let him ruin your life leave the rest of us a lone !!!!!!!!!!!

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Nov 14, 2021 15:45:50   #
trashbaum
 
straightUp wrote:
It's not difficult to understand why... As long as the Republicans keep screwing things up, there will always be things to blame them for.


You don't even believe that!

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Nov 14, 2021 15:51:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
You are arguing that your boy Joe is not responsible for the economy up until 2 months ago. Very similar to your side arguing that since Donald J. Trump negotiated with the Taliban, that he and not your boy Joe was at fault for the Afghanistan disaster. When something goes right you guys did it. When anything goes wrong it is the other guy's fault.

Oh, we give full credit to Trump for surrendering to the Taliban. That *IS* effectively what he did. His "negotiation" was basically a cave in to the demands of the Taliban, which basically looks like this... "Release our men and get the FK out!" So... Trump turned over all the Taliban prisoners of war and promised to leave.

So, we're not taking any credit away from Trump on that one.

The problem is that when Trump was fired, the job was still left undone. So, Biden essentially had to drive the truck out of the ditch that Trump left it in.

son of witless wrote:

But okay lets us examine your argument. So not a thing that President Biden did until two months ago had a thing good or bad to do with the economy, only Donald J. Trump's policies mattered until then ?

Do you really think that the economy is entirely affected by the policies of one president or the other? I'm sure you've been around long enough to know better.

son of witless wrote:

If that had any truth to it, then it would not make sense say aaaaa back last May for President Joe Biden to defend his policies, right ? Because of course everything occurring in those early months was all because of my boy Trump.

Yet President Biden felt compelled at the end of May 2021 to defend his policies against criticism that his policies were overheating the economy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/27/biden-says-rising-wages-are-a-sign-his-economic-agenda-is-working-.html

br If that had any truth to it, then it would not... (show quote)

It actually does make sense, once you understand what everyone is actually talking about. According to the article, the point of contention was an emergency stimulus package, which is NOT an ongoing economic policy. Republicans were actually blaming the part of that package that funded unemployment extensions, saying that it caused a shortage of labor, which is really a baseless accusation, with so many other variables in the mix.

I have to agree with permafrost on this one... In general, presidents have ZERO effect over the economy in their first year because it takes time for their policies to be implemented and even more time to propagate the market.

son of witless wrote:

So I am not saying this shows good or bad. What I am saying is that because President Biden was defending his policies and their effects on the economy back in May, this shows him taking responsibility for the economy then. This makes your argument false.

Biden was defending the concept of his policies, almost all of which were not even implemented yet. If you read the article it becomes clear the ONLY people saying ANYTHING about the EFFECT of his policies are the Republicans who are trying (without evidence) to blame his stimulus spending for a labor shortage.

Nice try.

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