Ike Loc: Minnesota Iron Range

So I suppose you also know that you are quoting Paul's epistle TO the Romans, written in the middle of the first century CE? However, you also need to consider what James, who Paul calls "the brother of the Lord," says in his epistle: "You see now that it is by doing something good, and not only by believing, that a man is justified." (James 2:24)

sass

Religious freak? I accept your label as long as it's "Jesus freak." As for my dogma, not at all sir (or ma'am). By all means do what I did--be honest (especially with yourself)--and really look at the thing objectively. I was THE MOST DEDICATED ATHEIST I KNEW when I got to college. My professors did me a huge favor by demanding that I be able to support and defend my beliefs. The deeper I dug, the more clearly I saw Jesus. This story is rather common among Christians. It's especially common among secularized jews (kids of jewish ancestry raised without any Bible training). I've seen people healed of crippling, disabling deformities, sicknesses, pain and all sorts of things as a direct result of my prayers. I do not care a bit that you doubt it because I know that every doctor has seen these things and can't begin to explain them away. I've heard people prophesy things with startling accuracy and detail about people who were totally incommunicado. Every day there is TONS of eyewitness evidence for the existence of a supernatural realm.

Not a bit of it is going to satisfy you until you deal with your anger with God. Your venom toward me proves it to me beyond any doubt. Why are you so angry with God?

Blacksheep

Spoken like a true religious fanatic. Thank you for the verification.

I pointed out to you the huge fallacy in your little speech and you respond by saying that I'm angry with God, as if you are God, but you never addressed my argument at all.

I'll say this once. God is a miracle in my life on a daily basis. I have no anger with God. I just have anger with religious fanatics like you who insist that you are right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong - and angry with God.

Heaven knows no one could possibly be angry with you, right?

boss2

Thanks for nothing if I have to explain you would understand more about your soul. Lov you all.

robby1

We can all say what we want about God and creation. One thing for sure about the Bible is, the wages of sin is death. If anyone is not a sinner then that person has nothing to worry about. The Bible says all have sinned .If anyone wants proof of that scripture go to the cemetery and take a look at all the headstones. Imagination is the greatest nation in the world. But it is not real. We talk about what we know. Even if we have to make things up. No man ever walked on the sun. I can do that in my imagination. Pretty cool huh. Absolute truth has no imagination in it. That is a real fact. God gives us understanding of this world. We can't understand God's world unless He gives us the understanding of it. People like to impress other people with their knowledge. They didn't have that knowledge when they were born. Someone had to program that knowledge into us. Parents, teachers, and people we meet along the way, and what we see in this world ourselves.

mcjwelles

Of the three main Abrahamic monotheistic religious belief sets followed in the world the teachings of Christ are by far the most liberal and those of Mohammed the most conservative. Wouldn't it make much more sense for political conservatives to convert to Islam which more closely follows their values than the futile attempt to corrupt Christian theology to fit their beliefs?

quote=Blacksheep]Spoken like a true religious fanatic. Thank you for the verification. I pointed out to you the huge fallacy in your little speech and you respond by saying that I'm angry with God, as if you are God, but you never addressed my argument at all.

I'll say this once. God is a miracle in my life on a daily basis. I have no anger with God. I just have anger with religious fanatics like you who insist that you are right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong - and angry with God.

Heaven knows no one could possibly be angry with you, right?[/quote]

William Ehlert

Black sheep,
Would you consider a single cell in your body, is nothing less than a miracle. Every cell in your body receives energy carried to it by your blood stream. This energy passes through a thin veil on the cell wall.

After this energy is passed through, it is picked up by a truck riding on tracks. This truck has an electric engine which embarrasses man's feeble attempts.. the engine turns at thousands of rpm, has bushings a stator, rotor, and universal joint.

After this truck picks up the energy, the tracks it runs on are pulled up and rebuilt either in front of or behind it, for it to go different directions. When the truck gets to where electric energy is made by burning this energy, it drops off the energy, picks up the waste and takes this to the cells wall, the waste is dumped into the blood system and it picks up a new load.

Now if that does not make a person scratch his head, I don't know what would. Billions of cells in our body doing this continually without a break.

When we find that not only every cell has a truck doing this but every strand of DNA has a creature which climbs up it, splitting in two the strand making two cells from one.

This is how cells split in two. I am not totally full of all the knowledge in how it all works, so let me stop here to ask you a question,. Since each cell has a truck and each strand of DNA has a creature to split them in half, who is telling the billions of truck drivers and multiple hundreds of
Billions of creatures in every persons bodies what to do and when to do it?

You see the scriptures say, the body is fearfuly and wonderfully made. I for one believe my Creator lives and am glad those truck drivers, the rail workers and the creatures crawling up my strands of DNA in my body are not union workers, as I would then have to worry about socialists coming along and wanting them to go on strike.

Now liberals will not have to worry because they think these creatures, trucks, truck drivers and rail system workers are a simple system. The reason I say this is, their founder said, if the single cell were simple, it would prove evolution, but if it were complex, evolution could not work

So those who teach the beliefs of evolution, don't even believe the one who told them about it. If you want to see a simple system, look at someone who believes in evolution.

If you have not figured it out, I just showed you more than one miracle!






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NanaSue57 Loc: Georgia

A Get Out of Hell FREE Card? That's a good one. The thing is, it's partly true. First and foremost, though, it is NOT free. Second, when we believe, or commit, and repent of being sinners (which we are), and ask Christ into our lives, we receive the gift of life - out of hell. The most important gift, however, is when we make this choice, Jesus becomes the mediator between us and God, our Creator. So we can actually talk to Him personally!

You see, when God created us, He gave us a choice to obey Him. He warned us of what the penalty would be if we chose to disobey. Just as our children know there will be a penalty if they disobey us. God made a decision to give us the freedom to choose - because He would NOT be a puppet master, and we His puppets. He wanted us to love Him as He loved us. By choice. To love God, is to obey Him.

As for the "Roman" who lived at 10:9. Very funny. But this is Romans 10:9, the reference for the verse you mentioned, found in the Bible. Paul is the person who actually wrote this, which is a sentence found in a letter to the church in Rome. And he wrote these letters over 2,000 years ago after Jesus died on a cross. Paul was a Jew who lived in Israel, but was a Roman citizen. Israel, along with many other countries, was a part of the Roman Empire at that time.

As for the verse you copied, it is true. However, to understand it better you need to read the whole letter, which is chapter ten, in the book called Romans. Of course, this is found in the Bible, God's Word and guide for us, His creation. Before Jesus died in our place, the Prophets shared God's Word, by His inspiration, and wrote the Old Testament. This is also an excellent source of ancient history. God's Word, the Bible, is backed up historically by many historians through ancient times. The New Testament was written through inspiration of God by Jesus' Apostles and disciples. Some of these apostles and disciples actually walked and talked with Jesus and wrote down His very words.

Back to the "Get Out of Hell Free Card." As I stated earlier, it is partly true. The true part is that we do get out of hell, if we follow God's Word for being saved from hell. The other part is that this "Freedom from hell card" is not free. Jesus did die in our place. Jesus paid the price - for US. The penalty God gave Adam and Eve for disobedience was death in hell, and separation from God. You see, God calls the shots whether you like it or not. But again, He will not force you to obey Him. He makes it clear what the penalty is if you do, and so, you can choose. In all actuality, God doesn't send you to hell. By knowing the penalty, if you choose to disobey, then you send yourself to hell. Just as a criminal knows the penalty for his crimes. Prison or Death Row, if you murder (in some states). They make their own choices.

You told us to "Wake up you Bible thumping dummies." Well, the truth is, the true Christians are not the dummies. First, the "fall" of Rome has nothing to do with the book of Romans. As I said, Romans is a collection of letters the Apostle Paul wrote to the Romans, and was included in the Bible, as a guide for those who choose Jesus Christ as their Savior from the penalty of sin (disobedience.)

So, in a nut shell: • God stated the penalty for disobedience. • Man chose to disobey • Man was condemned to death in hell • Jesus, God's Son, steps in and chooses to die in man's place • accept this and choose obedience, or not
• receive the penalty: death in hell or • life with Christ in Heaven

I believe it's a no-Brainer.

thisweekinstupid Loc: United Kingdom

This is not true:


Nor is this:


I do have something to say about faith and works. We are given salvation freely. The only condition is to ask. But salvation means righteousness. The gift Christ offers you is to help you live a life of less sin. He means to perfect you in small steps until you can in perfect harmony with true principles. If your intention is to confess Christ, then continue to live the same life you always have, you've rejected His gift.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

One of the best posts I have seen on this thread. Thanks

William Ehlert

When I was young Mormon elders came to teach us kids, about Mormonism and about the church. Now that was in the late 50's and early 60's.

I do not remember everything they tried to teach us, except they acknowledged the Bible but always warned us to read the book of Mormon. Why don't you want people to read the Bible?

More than that, you say the very men who spent 3 years walking with Jesus on the earth, these men were wrong and not led by God? How can you say, your great leader today, has better understanding than the Apostle Peter, Mark and John who knew the Master in a personal way every Christian envies.

How dare a man who lived in sin and fathered was it 65 kids or 65 wives, I cannot remember. If he were a true prophet of God, his lifestyle would have shown it. I know, we are not to judge but we can inspect a man's fruit.

We will know them by their fruit. The word says, to have one wife not 65 because beyond 1 is adultery. Your leader would be known by the word as a sinner, not the leader he claimed to be.

He attracted followers by appealing to men's lusts saying, they could have many wives. Muslims use this same approach to compell their zealots to kill, so they can have 72 virgins in the next life. I think though Smith knew to promised them wives in this life, would work better.

bahmer

I see that you are new here so welcome aboard and enjoy the ride. Please use the quote reply tag when replying to someones post on here as that brings in there whole post. You can then delete a portion of that post and reply to the pertinent part or leave the whole post intact and reply to the person that way. By bringing in the others post the rest of us can follow along better as to who and what you are responding to.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Good responses AG, ya have me thinking. If the death penalty is indeed justified, why, who says so? If murder is wrong, can it really ever be right, state sanctioned or not?

When I said "not charged with a crime", I was talking about say, a shop keeper who is held up and threatened by a person with a gun. In self-dedense, he shoots and kills this thief. No charges are filed. Is that murder still? Even if the government and law says it was justifiable, what does God say? Can we kill in self-defense when we convert to believer status? That would be a selling feature for my blood lusting ways. How about it?

Same with PAD, you mention reviews, so I'm assuming certain doctors get off scot free? Why, is that not murder, homicide, or killing too?

Hitler did a lot of euthanising during his tenure. It was all legal too. They killed homos, the mentally ill, infirm, gypsies, and Jews. It was legal under German law, but was it right? If a government says it's okay, should we not obey the law? If not, why not AG?

Gosnell, he performed abortions. That is put to death thousands of babies, all perfectly legal too. He was accused of murder when he killed a viable fetus after performing a very legal abortion. Is that a baby? Is it only a fetus when in the womb? Why does being outside the womb change the status or, does it? If you destroy the baby while still in the womb, does that automatically make it ineligible for being a human being? I mean the intent, the act only makes it eligible for burial or cremation.

I read where our highly esteemed president, as an IL Senator, voted to decriminalize the act of euthanasia by doctors, who in their professional opinion, felt a baby shouldn't be allowed to live. Couldn't he and Hitler swap some notes and, maybe they will someday? If you believe in hell, that is. Do you and if so, where is it and why?

robby1

A man once called Jesus good. Jesus said why do you call me good. There is only one that is good. That is God. God said the flesh profits nothing. The good that God wants his children to do is to share the hidden word of God. Only the words of God give life. These are the life giving words that the children of God share with others out of joy. Only God knows who will be saved. So He leads us to other children who are not yet saved and He has us share His word with them. We call this witnessing. The Holy spirit teaches us the truth of God's word. We see the truth and rejoice in the truth. It is a great pleasure to share God's word with others and see the Holy Spirit give them understanding and salvation. He teaches and gives us the joy of seeing others light up with Gods truth.

NanaSue57 Loc: Georgia

Amen!