oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Of course we can't give up on the ballot box, but THEY do have a lot of control over that part of our life. Tasine or whoever said we must have people at every precinct, at every counting, and at all recounts was so very right. However we can't just give up since that is what they want.

Have you ever seen the words of General James Mattis, one of the recently forced to resign about how you fight a war? He said,
“No war is over until the enemy says it’s over. We may think it over, we may declare it over, but in fact, the enemy gets a vote.”

Now if we give up at the ballot box our enemies can declare it all over and take over.

Homestead

Right now, I'm talking to the Larousse group. They have found some people for different positions that they feel will be good candidates.

So I asked them, if they have contacted the Tea Party, libertarian party or any other party to present who they are promoting to see if there was any interest from them to help support their candidate, they said no.

So, I asked them if they have compared their candidate against the other people coming forward for the same positions, they said no.

So then, I asked them, if they knew who the other candidates were that they would be running against, they said they didn't know.


It seems to me that everyone is looking for the perfect party and they take sides and whoever that party promotes is the person they will vote for. Can anyone say, "Divide and Conquer."

You see the Globalist will vote for a communist. A communist will vote for a One World Order guy, who will vote for a one world Banker, who will vote for an Isamist and every combination in between.

Absolutely none of them will vote for the Constitution and it's founding principles.

In all the history of the world their has been only one person that has claimed to be a perfect example of a human being and that man could walk on water.

We do not need perfect candidates, we need better candidates and over time they will get better in the same way they got worse, one election at a time.

What we need to do is keep in contact with the different groups that are putting up candidates. If We the People pick one in a primary run off, then all parties need to get behind that candidate for that election.

Florida took a chance on Marco Rubio. He turned out to be a traitor. So now Florida is trying to have him recalled, has anyone offered up some cash to support them in their efforts? If there is no penalty for treason them why would any politician care?
No Florida doesn't have a recall option in their state Constitution which is why they are now drafting the amendment for a vote in 2014. If it passes them Rubio can be thrown out on his arse.

The message from Florida to all candidates is that we can get you elected.
Betray us and we will throw you out.
Even if we have to pass special legislation to do it.

It's also in Florida the a group called true the vote is fighting for the votes stolen from Allen West. They have had some success, Despite fighting the corruption in the system as well as the IRS.

The more success they have punishing the people responsible fewer people will try it in the future.

If your worried about the ballot box, make sure those organizations that are fighting on your behalf have what they need to succeed, even if it's in another state. While your at it, see if they can look into your area or maybe see if you can start a new one in your area to do the same thing.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

None of the above. I think every conservative should think of ONE principle that defines his most basic instincts to vote for and go for the party that embraces that same principle: I have done so re INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, because no matter what good any party does, if individual freedoms are lost, so are all other principles. That's why I went with the Libertarian Party. THEY BELIEVE IN INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, and I know a lot of Republicans who do NOT embrace individual freedoms.

But I cannot knock the Constitution Party - after all, that's what gave us our country. Unfortunately we've destroyed that and I personally am in favor of changing parts of the Constitution, but do NOT want a Constitutional Convention - it would be taken over by the dark side and we'd get worse than we now have.

I say everyone should support the party that supports their PRINCIPLES, NOT every little item on an agenda, but the PRINCIPLES THE INDIVIDUAL EMBRACES. If conservatives did that, I think both present major parties would fall by the wayside. I think all decent people are fed up with both parties.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Finally you post something that makes some sense in that link. Of course, I don't know whether you are trying to make fun of Missouri, or not.

Thanks for the link, anyway. Of course, we both know that one state passing a law like this doesn't mean very many of the others will do so. I used to argue, all the time, with a woman from New Jersey about sustainable growth and she gave example after example of how well it is working in New Jersey. Nobody is going to convince her that she is wrong until she sees what Agenda 21 is aiming at.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Did you notice that the only person here who wants to talk about your original topic, Agenda 21, is rummytoid? He must have been in one of his now and then periods of thinking when he posted that link but he may have been making fun of you and others here who talked about Agenda 21 early in the thread.

I am wondering why all these people failed to read your link so just went to talking about something not nearly so scary as
Agenda 21. They could have learned quite a pile about Agenda 21 and where we are with it by reading there. At the end of that link there was a link to another good site I had never seen. You can find it at: http://getmindsmart.com/ There is a good start for many right there.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

And your thoughts are?

bahmer

But until we can convince individuals that voting for another party is not throwing their vote away I fear were are but stuck with a two party system. Yes I know you have broken out of the shell be we have to figure some way to encourage the rest of the dissatisfied republicans to think and vote outside the box in sufficient numbers to elect a candidate. I know your thoughts and actions are pure but do you really figure that we can do this.

Homestead

Every person that has cast a vote beyond what is needed to win has thrown their vote away. If it only takes 51% to win an election, then every vote beyond that is a waste of time. This is an absurd premise.
once a person has won, then what are the other votes for?

There are 33 Senate seats that are up for re-election in 2014.
How many of them are traitors to this country, do you know?
Who are the people stepping forward to run against them, do you know?
Of those people running, who has the best track record, do you know?

How many different groups are supporting candidates and have you contacted them to encourage and support their candidate or to ask that they support a better candidate of someone else’s, in exchange for your support for one of their candidates in another race or another race at another time?

In any particular race we may have to support a Republican candidate, let's just not start there. Make them work for it and quite frankly there may be a candidate like McCain that is no different from a Democrat. We may very well have to remove someone like that in order to clean up the Republican Party. It's better to deal with an enemy than a traitor, at least you know where the enemy stands, and you don't let him get into a position where he can betray you.

Let's not forget that in 2012, people got so discouraged and felt that they couldn't win that they stayed home. If those people had just got off their butts and voted like they did before, we wouldn't be in this mess.

If you don't trust the vote, start donating to True the Vote and other organizations that are taking people to court and getting them convicted for voter fraud!

Star asking questions and demanding answers to any irregularities and don't back off or back down.
No one may act on anything you discover right this moment, but, once these
other organizations get done with what their looking into, your complaints may be the basis for the next law suit.

NO ONE HAS EVER GAINED ANYTHING BY QUITTING!

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

Big Brother controlls Hollywood and main stream media.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I don't know, but I do know we'd better try something over and above what we have - assuming we get the opportunity.

Bo Loc: Cypress, TX

Very scary stuff here. Agenda 21 has been around for a good while, and I see everything falling right into place, just as it is outlined in the documents. As much as I hope this agenda being pushed by the Obama administration can and will be squashed, I fear that the time to act against it has long since passed. I really don't think we can turn the tide anymore. Obama is merely a puppet who is directed by the Shadow Government, George Soros, the Bilderbergs, and elite bankers, etc. The fact that Obama is narcissistic and arrogant plays well into the hands of this Shadow Government. We speak of our desires to rid ourselves of this tyrannical government, but no one has any idea how to do it. No one seems to have the courage to lead a revolution, including myself, but I do believe we're already too late to have our voices heard. The Obama administration does not care what the people have to say, and they know we are powerless to enforce the changes needed to win back our once great America. Gosh, I miss the 1950's.

Bo Loc: Cypress, TX

With the implementation of a new law that passed on July 2nd, 2013, which was quietly inserted into the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), president Obama has achieved full authorization to control all forms of media, through which he will use to inundate American citizens with endless streams of propaganda. We have not seen anything yet, but it's coming. Whatever the Obama administration wants the people to believe will be forced down our throats from every angle of reporting. Nobody will know if what we hear, read, or see is true or if it's false. The United States government has up till now used such tactics for decades against foreign countries to keep them "misinformed."

Now however, this new law will be used to "inform" the American citizens of everything that the Obama administration wants them to believe. This opens the door to massive secrecy from our government and allows the blatant deception of truth that will be targeting we, the people. How will this onslaught of hypocrisy aimed at American citizens be funded? By the taxpayers, of course. Get ready to pay for the propaganda that will be used to deceive us. Rather ironic, don't you think?

Bo Loc: Cypress, TX

I run into the same problem. As a libertarian, I have found that liberals and progressives are a stubborn lot. I have never known of any of them to think for themselves, regardless of how some things require just simple common sense. I've never been able to break through their barriers. They choose not to understand what conservatives and libertarians are trying to tell them, and their minds are closed to any input other than their own views. It's very frustrating.

Homestead

It is very frustrating, I'm making very little headway myself, never-the-less, don't quit and don't give up.

To relinquish the battle field is to hand them their victory. They've gained to much ground already, make them fight to keep it!

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I'll be 6itching at them as they mow me down in my doorway.