One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Make accountability on all programs
Feb 7, 2021 12:49:36   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 13:01:16   #
ChJoe
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong.... (show quote)


One big reason people south of the border want to come in for is work but also for the free stuff. We want to help them but they need to do it right.

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 13:28:19   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong.... (show quote)


The immigration laws are there just not enforced.. illegals can not get social services supposedly but certain changes have allowed for food stamps if the illegal is a lawful individual...You then have to consider if they are lawfully here on a green card or how many years have they been here, 5 and 10 years have relevance etc...

I agree we should take care of our own FIRST!!! We should not have one child or elderly starving!! We should not now or EVER have our soldiers without a home or food or anything else they need... I mean never!!!!

We should not have homeless, mentally ill people barely surviving, being attacked or dehumanized... Not every homeless person is bad but rather conditions that created it..
Yes, Sir, not one American left to flounder in a society that often enough creates the condition.. Like this virus, people out of work ready to lose their homes or vehicles no food, etc.. Before that the housing bubble, before that whatever ~~

America First and then we help others ..

Reply
 
 
Feb 7, 2021 14:30:09   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong.... (show quote)

Agreed! Welfare should be privatized and on a payback pay it forward program! 6 months to a year, get job training and when u get back to work u pay it back on a percentage like social security! Then they use that pool of money to help someone else! Control the program, no exceptions!

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 14:31:38   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
lindajoy wrote:
The immigration laws are there just not enforced.. illegals can not get social services supposedly but certain changes have allowed for food stamps if the illegal is a lawful individual...You then have to consider if they are lawfully here on a green card or how many years have they been here, 5 and 10 years have relevance etc...

I agree we should take care of our own FIRST!!! We should not have one child or elderly starving!! We should not now or EVER have our soldiers without a home or food or anything else they need... I mean never!!!!

We should not have homeless, mentally ill people barely surviving, being attacked or dehumanized... Not every homeless person is bad but rather conditions that created it..
Yes, Sir, not one American left to flounder in a society that often enough creates the condition.. Like this virus, people out of work ready to lose their homes or vehicles no food, etc.. Before that the housing bubble, before that whatever ~~

America First and then we help others ..
The immigration laws are there just not enforced..... (show quote)


Agreed!

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 14:36:08   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Agreed!



Reply
Feb 7, 2021 14:36:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Agreed! Welfare should be privatized and on a payback pay it forward program! 6 months to a year, get job training and when u get back to work u pay it back on a percentage like social security! Then they use that pool of money to help someone else! Control the program, no exceptions!


Agree with you too!!!

Reply
 
 
Feb 7, 2021 15:30:49   #
woodguru
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong.... (show quote)

First of all let me be clear that I believe in transparency and accountability everywhere in government.
*Where were you on accountability for how ICE and Homeland security spends money on prison and detainment programs? It was run in secrecy under trump.
*How about the military, that has not been held accountable for the transparency and receipts it is required by law to provide?
*Mnuchin was somehow under the impression that his job description involved handing out billions of dollars to whatever business and people he wanted without having to say where it was going.

Government is about transparency and people having every right to see and know how their money is being spent...and the president that as a policy tries to tell agencies to hide what they are doing needs to be removed from office.

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 17:01:19   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong.... (show quote)


Federal agencies need to be brought to account first, you can't ask citizens to bear the burden of accountability when agencies are not. The DoD has yet to implement the items recommended from their ( finally ) completed audit, worth 100's of billions in savings to the taxpayer......................... we increased their budget every year anyway.

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 18:05:50   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong. Let us take welfare we ask for more funds WHY?? What are they going to do with the funds, when will they do it and what are the expected results!! Who would be getting this information and what are they going to do with it? Isn’t this called management and accountability?? Sending additional funds to a department who isn’t managing their funds sound stupid to me. Anther example I get all the time. “I’ve been targeted by democrats, send what you can to help me fight them”. So they get 2 or 3 million dollars to do what? What is the plan what does it cost and how it’s expected to protect what position. It is easy to spend someone else’s dollars until you have to account for them. In business if a program is not working, you stop spending funds in that direction change the program and continue to mintier the results.

This leads me to the next important thing we need to do. Pass a law to participate in any government program you must be a citizen. We would immediately eliminate millions on social security and welfare. We can provide opportunities and not early retirement. It would probably stop the caravans when we cut off the freebies

Take care of our citizens always first!!!
Bear with me as I want to get to what we do wrong.... (show quote)


Good points.

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 18:07:27   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
lindajoy wrote:
The immigration laws are there just not enforced.. illegals can not get social services supposedly but certain changes have allowed for food stamps if the illegal is a lawful individual...You then have to consider if they are lawfully here on a green card or how many years have they been here, 5 and 10 years have relevance etc...

I agree we should take care of our own FIRST!!! We should not have one child or elderly starving!! We should not now or EVER have our soldiers without a home or food or anything else they need... I mean never!!!!

We should not have homeless, mentally ill people barely surviving, being attacked or dehumanized... Not every homeless person is bad but rather conditions that created it..
Yes, Sir, not one American left to flounder in a society that often enough creates the condition.. Like this virus, people out of work ready to lose their homes or vehicles no food, etc.. Before that the housing bubble, before that whatever ~~

America First and then we help others ..
The immigration laws are there just not enforced..... (show quote)


Well said

Reply
 
 
Feb 7, 2021 18:10:16   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
First of all let me be clear that I believe in transparency and accountability everywhere in government.
*Where were you on accountability for how ICE and Homeland security spends money on prison and detainment programs? It was run in secrecy under trump.
*How about the military, that has not been held accountable for the transparency and receipts it is required by law to provide?
*Mnuchin was somehow under the impression that his job description involved handing out billions of dollars to whatever business and people he wanted without having to say where it was going.

Government is about transparency and people having every right to see and know how their money is being spent...and the president that as a policy tries to tell agencies to hide what they are doing needs to be removed from office.
First of all let me be clear that I believe in tra... (show quote)


All you point out was going on well before Trump and if the Democrats hadn't been so obstructionist, he might have been able to get at that besides all of the other good things he did for America.

Reply
Feb 7, 2021 18:14:50   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Federal agencies need to be brought to account first, you can't ask citizens to bear the burden of accountability when agencies are not. The DoD has yet to implement the items recommended from their ( finally ) completed audit, worth 100's of billions in savings to the taxpayer......................... we increased their budget every year anyway.


We agree in principal. If Trump didn't have to spend so much time or phony Russian Collusion and a phony impeachment, he might have gotten to some of that. These things were going on for a damn long time and he could only do so much. Hell, every damn Executive Order to resolve a real problem was met by lawsuits by Democrats to obstruct him. And then there were all of the entrenched bureaucrats in D. C.

Reply
Feb 8, 2021 00:39:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Well said


Thank You, Logically Right...

I have read any number of your posts and often find total agreement along with being well said.

Reply
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.